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Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 10 Apr 2024, 14:19
by ironbeard
I think that it would be interesting. Maybe make them open weight class as well. Or, maybe that would be an exclusive (all inclusive) division.
The matchmaking alone would be fascinating.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 10 Apr 2024, 14:37
by joshj909
I think the idea of it being a short term warning of the dangers could be interesting. The men who go in there wanting to fight women should be on a list afterwards though. The women will learn their lesson that there's a gulf in athletic ability. pretty quickly. It does provide an opportunity for Trans athletes though so there's probably something there, but again, Trans athletes against men and women could be problematic though.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 10 Apr 2024, 14:50
by ironbeard
joshj909 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2024, 14:37
I think the idea of it being a short term warning of the dangers could be interesting. The men who go in there wanting to fight women should be on a list afterwards though. The women will learn their lesson that there's a gulf in athletic ability. pretty quickly. It does provide an opportunity for Trans athletes though so there's probably something there, but again, Trans athletes against men and women could be problematic though.
I largely agree.
What it would do is give a small % of women a choice that they really do not have now. It would also legitimize gender exclusivity more clearly.
Matchmaking and match sanctioning would be key.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 11 Apr 2024, 17:34
by emallini
Nonsense
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 11 Apr 2024, 19:47
by margaret thatcher
sounds like it would be some type of fetish event. dudes getting off to trannies and women rolling around and beating on each other
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 12 Apr 2024, 12:55
by Craighmfc1874
No
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 12 Apr 2024, 12:55
by Craighmfc1874
No cause someone will die
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 12 Apr 2024, 13:35
by gilgamesh
I don't see the point in it.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 12 Apr 2024, 20:06
by ironbeard
Combat sports would admittedly be problematic. However, I do think that there are women who would venture into it, and it beats allowing men who identify as women competing in gender exclusive divisions.
My original thought (which I posted in the Misc. Sports thread on CS) was for open gender team sports, similar to what has traditionally been called co-ed leagues. Limited to no more than 50% of male and females. Unlimited trans members. However, trans count as one male or female on a team if they identify that way.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 14 Apr 2024, 05:02
by Nightmare Roy
Equal rights ........and lefts
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 16 Apr 2024, 11:55
by joshj909
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/846760
This transgender (male to female) boxer was knocked out in 21 seconds on the weekend. Record is now 3-1. There's your open division.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 16 Apr 2024, 17:48
by ironbeard
There are tons of examples of 3-1 boxers, open gender, male exclusive, female exclusive. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 17 Apr 2024, 04:15
by joshj909
ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Apr 2024, 17:48
There are tons of examples of 3-1 boxers, open gender, male exclusive, female exclusive. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
That is the only example I know of of a trans professional boxer. Unless you know more?
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 17 Apr 2024, 19:15
by ironbeard
joshj909 wrote: ↑17 Apr 2024, 04:15
ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Apr 2024, 17:48
There are tons of examples of 3-1 boxers, open gender, male exclusive, female exclusive. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
That is the only example I know of of a trans professional boxer. Unless you know more?
If the division is created and marketed they will come.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 18 Apr 2024, 15:16
by si7dog7
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 18 Apr 2024, 15:45
by ironbeard
si7dog7 wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 15:16
This
End of Discussion.
At least 43 boxers have died from injuries sustained in the sport since 2000.
What’s new?
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 14 May 2024, 14:37
by Craighmfc1874
si7dog7 wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 15:16
This
End of Discussion.
Yes I agree
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 14 May 2024, 15:12
by ironbeard
Craighmfc1874 wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 14:37
si7dog7 wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 15:16
This
End of Discussion.
Yes I agree
At least 44 boxers have died since 2000, and counting.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 15 May 2024, 05:40
by Ezzard
Plenty of men like to knock women about. This is a great way to legitimise it. Floyd Mayweather would be straight out of retirement.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 15 May 2024, 10:02
by ironbeard
Ezzard wrote: ↑15 May 2024, 05:40
Plenty of men like to knock women about. This is a great way to legitimise it. Floyd Mayweather would be straight out of retirement.
What do you have against women and transexuals having the opportunity to KTFO men professionally?
Nobody would be forced to enter the open gender league.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 15 May 2024, 10:28
by Ezzard
ironbeard wrote: ↑15 May 2024, 10:02
Ezzard wrote: ↑15 May 2024, 05:40
Plenty of men like to knock women about. This is a great way to legitimise it. Floyd Mayweather would be straight out of retirement.
What do you have against women and transexuals having the opportunity to KTFO men professionally?
Nobody would be forced to enter the open gender league.
Didn't say I was against it. Sounds like a guilty conscience being triggered.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 15 May 2024, 10:52
by Heldenjaeger
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 15:12At least 44 boxers have died since 2000, and counting.
Shows you how small the sport really is. There are around 24,000 lightning fatalities every year.
Doesn't make the death of boxers in the ring or after fights less tragic but it's a big reality check: Boxing is a really, really small bubble.
To the topic: Why are there separated competitions for men and women in the first place? I think the answer to that is enough. Not many are interested in seeing number 314 and 315 in the world fight each other but number one and two female boxers suddenly becomes very marketable.
Re: Open Gender Boxing, Wrestling, MMA, etc., Leagues
Posted: 15 May 2024, 11:07
by ironbeard
Heldenjaeger wrote: ↑15 May 2024, 10:52
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 15:12At least 44 boxers have died since 2000, and counting.
Shows you how small the sport really is. There are around 24,000 lightning fatalities every year.
Doesn't make the death of boxers in the ring or after fights less tragic but it's a big reality check: Boxing is a really, really small bubble.
To the topic: Why are there separated competitions for men and women in the first place? I think the answer to that is enough. Not many are interested in seeing number 314 and 315 in the world fight each other but number one and two female boxers suddenly becomes very marketable.
I completely agree.
Only reason I bring it up is because of the trans competing in female sports issue. Open gender leagues would mitigate that.