BoxRec

I'm not going to put up an anonymous poll here. Just chime in as to your preference....

if you are a stakeholder you can alway change your preference. If you are not a stakeholder...I may want to know why you are interested in helping to choose. Perhaps there are people following this that are not participating? If so that would be interesting to know. If not...I don't want anyone stuffing the ballot box.

I'm leaning to Welterweight.......but could be influenced by good arguments for other weight classes. I think the final decision will be of consensus not directive. So here is where that conversation can take place. I'll post this as a sticky until I"m sure everyone knows it exists....then I'll let it slide into the mainstream.

The software sometimes requires me to manually scribe info...I literally can not cut and paste the info from some panels. It may be my own lack of tech savy?> Some content is easily copied...other info is impossible to cut/or copy. So If we have many managers...we many need to keep everyone to one fighter. Or if there are managers that only want one fighter that could help. I'm not sure I can manage a weekly session with more than 30 fighters requiring my scribing. If someone knows a sure fire way to cut and paste from any screen shot...that could change my thinking on this.

Crease's Corner VVV
Yep, it's me. Just piggy-backing on Buzz's original post.
I am going to do a quick tally of what Managers want for next season and we'll see what it looks like.

Armageto - Featherweight or Super Bantamweight
BoxBuzz -
Crease - Featherweight
DrDuke - Super Middleweight
Gilgamesh - Lightweight or Heavyweight
Kevo - Cruiserweight
NazNaci1 - Featherweight or Lightweight
NoScoutingReports - Super Bantamweight or Super Middleweight
P4p1 -
Techno89 -

Either Lightweight or Heavyweight.

Featherweight or Lightweight but I don't really mind as, like all of us, love all divisions.

I don't think we've had a lighter division for a while. Featherweight or Super Bantamweight maybe?

Yeah, I'll go Featherweight too.

I'm a relatively new player here, I remember Heavy and Feather being in previous two seasons.

Maybe let's do supper middle?

DrDuke wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 15:27 I'm a relatively new player here, I remember Heavy and Feather being in previous two seasons.

Maybe let's do supper middle?

Interesting. Would be up for that. SMW is a good division. Not sure on the depth, when compared to other divisions but could be wrong,

Geto's shout of Super Bantam is a good one and LW has some ridiculous talents.

Lightweight does sound interesting......anyone opposed to lightweight? If so could you elaborate?

Whatever we decide, I will be posting the entire inventory....that shows up on the software, and the ratings of each fighter....and there will be a lottery type of draft. Perhaps with an A.I. assisted random generation of all stakeholder names and have it spit out the order. It will be snake style again where the last person picks twice. I will happily be that last person again..... I'm thinking A Sept start date.....maybe earlier depending.

We've done lightweight, probably two or 3 times, from my memory. I rather go for feather or super bamtam.

I floated the idea of trying the back to back divisions. That could be fun with everybody taking a fighter from each division, giving you the chance to go up a division to teach for the stars. We've done it in the past and it was pretty fun. Plus, allows managers to grab one high end boxer.

Draft wise, I floated the idea which would make it random, plus everyone could actual see the race and results. Nobody could complain on the draft process with clear visibility of the outcome.

A 168 try would be fun, especially if we tried the two weight classes and tossed in 160 or 175. A tok of fight possibilities there.

armageto wrote: ↑21 May 2024, 18:02 We've done lightweight, probably two or 3 times, from my memory. I rather go for feather or super bamtam.

I floated the idea of trying the back to back divisions. That could be fun with everybody taking a fighter from each division, giving you the chance to go up a division to teach for the stars. We've done it in the past and it was pretty fun. Plus, allows managers to grab one high end boxer.

Draft wise, I floated the idea which would make it random, plus everyone could actual see the race and results. Nobody could complain on the draft process with clear visibility of the outcome.

A 168 try would be fun, especially if we tried the two weight classes and tossed in 160 or 175. A tok of fight possibilities there.

Hmm the back to back does sound interesting.

Super Bantam or super middle I’d say. Back to back sounds good too, I’m easy.

Cruiserweight

I still vote the back to back divisions. The two times we ran it were very fun. Not sure if the system would melt, I don't think it would, but that would be my only fear. How tough it would be for Buzz to run it before dementia sets in....

armageto wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 15:38 I still vote the back to back divisions. The two times we ran it were very fun. Not sure if the system would melt, I don't think it would, but that would be my only fear. How tough it would be for Buzz to run it before dementia sets in....

lol...well my doc says I'm in better shape than anyone else my age....but that don't mean my brain hasn't left the building....check that ....it probably checked out over 50 years ago...but has been.stable ever since. IN fact I'm a certified head injury specialist...so hopefully I'd be able to self assess better than most.

But no the weight class aspect shouldn't strain things. I just think it was designed with flaws...but I've figured out where some of the problems are and simply avoided them. So here's hopin'!!

armageto wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 15:38 I still vote the back to back divisions. The two times we ran it were very fun. Not sure if the system would melt, I don't think it would, but that would be my only fear. How tough it would be for Buzz to run it before dementia sets in....

This sounds like a really good idea! Not sure I’ve taken part in a season with back to back divisions.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 18:39

armageto wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 15:38 I still vote the back to back divisions. The two times we ran it were very fun. Not sure if the system would melt, I don't think it would, but that would be my only fear. How tough it would be for Buzz to run it before dementia sets in....

lol...well my doc says I'm in better shape than anyone else my age....but that don't mean my brain hasn't left the building....check that ....it probably checked out over 50 years ago...but has been.stable ever since. IN fact I'm a certified head injury specialist...so hopefully I'd be able to self assess better than most.

But no the weight class aspect shouldn't strain things. I just think it was designed with flaws...but I've figured out where some of the problems are and simply avoided them. So here's hopin'!!

I vote:

126/130
160/168
200/HW

I think all of those would be fantastic options and would be interesting to see if a fighter from a lower division could go up and get a belt in the next weight class.

kevo wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 18:55

armageto wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 15:38 I still vote the back to back divisions. The two times we ran it were very fun. Not sure if the system would melt, I don't think it would, but that would be my only fear. How tough it would be for Buzz to run it before dementia sets in....

This sounds like a really good idea! Not sure I’ve taken part in a season with back to back divisions.

Hopefully this will be your chance....

armageto wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 19:40

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 18:39

armageto wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 15:38 I still vote the back to back divisions. The two times we ran it were very fun. Not sure if the system would melt, I don't think it would, but that would be my only fear. How tough it would be for Buzz to run it before dementia sets in....

lol...well my doc says I'm in better shape than anyone else my age....but that don't mean my brain hasn't left the building....check that ....it probably checked out over 50 years ago...but has been.stable ever since. IN fact I'm a certified head injury specialist...so hopefully I'd be able to self assess better than most.

But no the weight class aspect shouldn't strain things. I just think it was designed with flaws...but I've figured out where some of the problems are and simply avoided them. So here's hopin'!!

I vote:

126/130
160/168
200/HW

I think all of those would be fantastic options and would be interesting to see if a fighter from a lower division could go up and get a belt in the next weight class.

The software allows for 3 ways to do that.
1. The fighters take there highest rating into all their fights for the season.
2. pound for pound fights...which eliminates the weight class as a factor, (in this proposed scenario I'm not a fan)
3. Fighters who happen to be rated at both weights would take the different ratings into the different weight classes.

The higher rating is assigned to the weight class the fighter was most successful in. I like #1 As it is harder for the lighter opponent to achieve a win...but....that seems most realistic to me.

This season....Roy Jones went in at his LHW rating...which I don't think was his highest rating...Same with Hopkins....we used the LHW and only the LHW ratings for all fighters.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 22:08

armageto wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 19:40

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 18:39

lol...well my doc says I'm in better shape than anyone else my age....but that don't mean my brain hasn't left the building....check that ....it probably checked out over 50 years ago...but has been.stable ever since. IN fact I'm a certified head injury specialist...so hopefully I'd be able to self assess better than most.

But no the weight class aspect shouldn't strain things. I just think it was designed with flaws...but I've figured out where some of the problems are and simply avoided them. So here's hopin'!!

I vote:

126/130
160/168
200/HW

I think all of those would be fantastic options and would be interesting to see if a fighter from a lower division could go up and get a belt in the next weight class.

The software allows for 3 ways to do that.
1. The fighters take there highest rating into all their fights for the season.
2. pound for pound fights...which eliminates the weight class as a factor, (in this proposed scenario I'm not a fan)
3. Fighters who happen to be rated at both weights would take the different ratings into the different weight classes.

The higher rating is assigned to the weight class the fighter was most successful in. I like #1 As it is harder for the lighter opponent to achieve a win...but....that seems most realistic to me.

This season....Roy Jones went in at his LHW rating...which I don't think was his highest rating...Same with Hopkins....we used the LHW and only the LHW ratings for all fighters.

Last time, if I'm correct, it was option #3. Plus if a fighter happened to be in two weight classes and was drafted, he could only appear in the season for one weight.

Probably not in the software, but arguments sake let's say Usyk was in the database and we did CW/HW. If somebody drafted him as CW Usyk, HW Usyk wouldn't be available to be drafted. I definitely know it wasn't rated by P4P factor because when a fighter went up to challenge in the division above from time to time, he'd be at a slight disadvantage. So that leads me to believe it was #3.

armageto wrote: ↑27 May 2024, 05:04

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 22:08

armageto wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 19:40

I vote:

126/130
160/168
200/HW

I think all of those would be fantastic options and would be interesting to see if a fighter from a lower division could go up and get a belt in the next weight class.

The software allows for 3 ways to do that.
1. The fighters take there highest rating into all their fights for the season.
2. pound for pound fights...which eliminates the weight class as a factor, (in this proposed scenario I'm not a fan)
3. Fighters who happen to be rated at both weights would take the different ratings into the different weight classes.

The higher rating is assigned to the weight class the fighter was most successful in. I like #1 As it is harder for the lighter opponent to achieve a win...but....that seems most realistic to me.

This season....Roy Jones went in at his LHW rating...which I don't think was his highest rating...Same with Hopkins....we used the LHW and only the LHW ratings for all fighters.

Last time, if I'm correct, it was option #3. Plus if a fighter happened to be in two weight classes and was drafted, he could only appear in the season for one weight.

Probably not in the software, but arguments sake let's say Usyk was in the database and we did CW/HW. If somebody drafted him as CW Usyk, HW Usyk wouldn't be available to be drafted. I definitely know it wasn't rated by P4P factor because when a fighter went up to challenge in the division above from time to time, he'd be at a slight disadvantage. So that leads me to believe it was #3.

Yep.....#3..seems to me to be the best option....and when a fighter is not rated in the two weight classes he'll live with the one rating he has...but still has a slight disadvantage moving up...because the software will take it into account. I have to find out how to do screen captures off of certain panels of this software...or the scribing will be horrendously time consuming. I'm not overly partial to which weight class...but I hope one of them will be a weight class we have seldom if never dealt with. Lightweight vs Jr Welter maybe? That would an interesting crossover point.

armageto wrote: ↑27 May 2024, 05:04Last time, if I'm correct, it was option #3. Plus if a fighter happened to be in two weight classes and was drafted, he could only appear in the season for one weight.

Probably not in the software, but arguments sake let's say Usyk was in the database and we did CW/HW. If somebody drafted him as CW Usyk, HW Usyk wouldn't be available to be drafted. I definitely know it wasn't rated by P4P factor because when a fighter went up to challenge in the division above from time to time, he'd be at a slight disadvantage. So that leads me to believe it was #3.

Yeah Geto you're right, it was Option Three... And it is also the most realistic option as well, the lighter fighter should be at a disadvantage fighting the bigger man.

I'm just trying to remember what season it was - something tells me it was our last Light Heavyweight season and everyone had a choice of Super Middleweights.

armageto wrote: ↑20 May 2024, 18:446. For the draft, let me run a simulator I use for fantasy football. I could live stream it, thought I don't think anyone would actually need that. I can just post the replay, and every manager will be assigned a football player running the field. The order they reach the endzone will be the first round and reverse order for the second. Easy way to ensure a random draft, where everybody has an equal shot for top guys.

A live race, huh? Yeah let's give that a go.

Just for the historians among you:

Neri wrote: ↑10 Dec 2009, 20:35Timeline (since The Great Deletion)
Light Heavyweight season - 40 weeks
Featherweight season - 20 weeks
Welterweight season - 35 weeks
Middleweight season - 20 weeks
Heavyweight season - 41 weeks
Pound-For-Pound season - 30 weeks
Light Heavyweight II season - 35 weeks
Bantamweight season - 40 weeks
Lightweight season - 40 weeks
Crossweight season - 40 weeks
Middleweight II season - 40 weeks
Heavyweight II season - 25 weeks
Featherweight II season - 21 weeks
Light Heavyweight III season - 30 weeks

Crease wrote: ↑15 Jun 2024, 10:18 Just for the historians among you:

Neri wrote: ↑10 Dec 2009, 20:35Timeline (since The Great Deletion)
Light Heavyweight season - 40 weeks
Featherweight season - 20 weeks
Welterweight season - 35 weeks
Middleweight season - 20 weeks
Heavyweight season - 41 weeks
Pound-For-Pound season - 30 weeks
Light Heavyweight II season - 35 weeks
Bantamweight season - 40 weeks
Lightweight season - 40 weeks
Crossweight season - 40 weeks
Middleweight II season - 40 weeks
Heavyweight II season - 25 weeks
Featherweight II season - 21 weeks
Light Heavyweight III season - 30 weeks

No SMW? Let's do it!

Crease wrote: ↑15 Jun 2024, 10:04

armageto wrote: ↑27 May 2024, 05:04Last time, if I'm correct, it was option #3. Plus if a fighter happened to be in two weight classes and was drafted, he could only appear in the season for one weight.

Probably not in the software, but arguments sake let's say Usyk was in the database and we did CW/HW. If somebody drafted him as CW Usyk, HW Usyk wouldn't be available to be drafted. I definitely know it wasn't rated by P4P factor because when a fighter went up to challenge in the division above from time to time, he'd be at a slight disadvantage. So that leads me to believe it was #3.

Yeah Geto you're right, it was Option Three... And it is also the most realistic option as well, the lighter fighter should be at a disadvantage fighting the bigger man.

I'm just trying to remember what season it was - something tells me it was our last Light Heavyweight season and everyone had a choice of Super Middleweights.

I think we ran 2, HW/CW & either 168/175 or 160/168. I know 168 was involved in it.