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What would you give Tyson Fury's chin ?
Scale 1 bad 10 good.
I think he's a 4.

With the bar being for a heavyweight champion of the world.

Usyk showed Furys chin isn`t as solid as AJs .. he had AJ stunned/stumbling - he had Fury out on his feet.

I`d rate it a 6.5 - 7

Definitely not bad - and well above average.

Some will question the quality of his chin because Parker kinda exposed the Wilder myth/hype, Ngannou put him over with a glancing punch, and the seemingly light punching and much smaller Usyk had him out on his feet.
But I think what exaggerates the punches effect is that Fury is big and ungainly so when he topples or stumbles he does so dramatically.

His recovery powers are a 9.5 - 10 though.

Didn't see Lennox Lewis knocked down by blown up Cruiserweights ever

chin isnt particularly good, been hurt loads, including by several guys not known for power (cunningham, wallin, usyk), but he recovers very quickly

Below average chin but arguably the best recovery we've ever seen at heavyweight.

He is evasive in his defence, which has usually been one of his stronger points, but he's been dropped by:

Usyk - Not a particularly hard hitting cruiserweight.

Ngannou - 0-0 MMA fighter. He's big and has KO power in MMA but it was probably Fury's arrogance that let him land the shot.

Wilder x4 - Very long and has KO power but is not a very good boxer. He usually also often weighs not too far off cruiserweight level...

Cunningham - Feather fisted Cruiserweight with no KOs at heavyweight.

Pajkic - A fairly small, very feather fisted and not very good heavyweight.

joshj909

Usyk - Not a particularly hard hitting cruiserweight.

Ngannou - 0-0 MMA fighter. He's big and has KO power in MMA but it was probably Fury's arrogance that let him land the shot.

Wilder x4 - Very long and has KO power but is not a very good boxer. He usually also often weighs not too far off cruiserweight level...

Cunningham - Feather fisted Cruiserweight with no KOs at heavyweight.

Pajkic - A fairly small, very feather fisted and not very good heavyweight.

Fury's chin to me is average. He fights the old, and not so skilled that have exposed that. If he fought young punchers his age or below he would have been Ko'd by now. His defense is over rated.

You some it up nicely. I view Fury as the 3rd or 4th best heavyweight of our times.

Furys chin is average, his defense is overrated and he's been cracked plenty by smaller or limited skilled opponents. Furys real strength is his ability to recover. That seems to be the consensus and it's pretty accurate.

Fury shows signs of brilliance offensively, but he doesn't seem to have the gas tank anymore to sustain his slick style of fighting for a entire fight. Which will become problematic because Fury himself isn't exactly a big puncher when comparing him to the history of the HW division.

I'm super critical of Fury, I feel he's one of the most overrated HWs in a long time. He's too inconsistent and has basically made a career out of being the biggest guy out there with a good skill set that caters to his obvious physical advantages.

7

But his recovery ability is a solid 10.

Depends where the cut off from chin and recuperation is.
Those punches wilder hit him with would have knocked anyone out (probably). That Cunningham punch was an absolute beaut as well.

Getting floored by Ngannou and then in such a mess against Usyk hint to that his punch resistance isn't nearly what it used to be.

5 - Average

An ok chin. The fact he is so big and can grab, mess, maul and hold, certainly helps in his recovery.

Probably about a 6, but his heart and ability to shake off being hurt, and keep going is a 10.

NazNaci1 wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 10:35 5 - Average

An ok chin. The fact he is so big and can grab, mess, maul and hold, certainly helps in his recovery.

Its in big part that even when his brain gets wobbled and the signals to his legs slow/pause, he retains the ability to think himself to safety.
He demonstrated that to great affect against Usyk in that 9th round.
Usyk wobbled Furys brain and his legs stiffened. Fury did what he has done to good affect previously and tried to grab and smother, but Usyk is a lot smarter than Furys previous opponents and managed to banjo another big shot off Fury ... Fury again tried to grab and smother ... and again got banjo`d.
Fury then had the awareness to change his plan, and try not try grabbing and smothering, and instead get as far away from Usyk has his legs would allow.

That was the most hurt Fury has been. He fell more dramatically against Wilder and Cunningham, but I think his big ungainly size exaggerated that. Against Usyk he looked absolutely petrified as he got bashed from pillar to post.

joshj909 wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 06:10 arguably the best recovery we've ever seen at heavyweight.

Muhammad Ali had good powers of recovery.
Oliver McCall had a granite chin.

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 10:07 Getting floored by Ngannou and then in such a mess against Usyk hint to that his punch resistance isn't nearly what it used to be.

he was floored hard by cunningham (cruiserweight non puncher) and pajkic (5 ko in 18) when younger too. non puncher wallin also hurt him in round 12 of their fight right before he won the wilder rematch.

he's never been that hard to hurt when guys land, it's his recovery which is impressive

7,5

SteveO wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 14:15

joshj909 wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 06:10 arguably the best recovery we've ever seen at heavyweight.

Muhammad Ali had good powers of recovery.
Oliver McCall had a granite chin.

I guess the difference is that we've seen Fury have to recover from getting up double the amount of times as Ali. But both have top tier recovery.

Oliver McCall is up there with Wach as having 10/10 chins. David Allen has a claim to having a 9 or 10/10 chin too.

ya there are a few freaks out there whose chins are so good they pretty much never even needed recovery powers in the first place. these are the true 10/10 or 9 /10 guys. wach's chin display vs wlad was utterly freakish and nasty. not even buckled taking flush power shots all night from a massive hitter. only when way past his prime did he finally get clubbed down by mak, and even then it took loads of shots and he still got up

in other divisions, we've recently had guys like provodnikov, ggg, canelo for this, albeit canelo was hurt once early in his career (never went down though)

Yeah the fight Canelo got hurt in was Miguel Cotto's brother, Jose. It was on the undercard of some PPV, I don't remember which card exactly, but I remember seeing it Live. Canelo was just a 19 year old prospect at the time already with several fights under his belt, and he still came back to stop Cotto after getting hurt earlier in the fight.

If he's ever been hurt any other time I haven't seen it. Very tough guy for sure, and he also has a brilliant mind in there in that he never seems to get rattled even if he's lost a few rounds or whatever. He just sticks to his plan.

Back to Fury though since this is a thread about Fury. Ultimately it probably works out well for him to have the abilities spread around. He's got a good enough chin to get him through when coupled with his recovery abilities and defense. There's definitely been guys in Heavyweight history with better chins who didn't have the ability to get it done.

I could see Fury being knocked out by some of the greats of history, but not a lot of 'em. We may well see him knocked out in his own time depending on how long he stays in the game, and who he winds up in the ring with.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 15:12 Yeah the fight Canelo got hurt in was Miguel Cotto's brother, Jose. It was on the undercard of some PPV, I don't remember which card exactly, but I remember seeing it Live. Canelo was just a 19 year old prospect at the time already with several fights under his belt, and he still came back to stop Cotto after getting hurt earlier in the fight.

Hahaha I remember watching that. Was the only time, to date, where Canelo was visibly hurt.

I would give Fury an above average chin. He has been clocked by several fighters and knocked down by overhand rights over the years but not been too impressed by most and as other posters have pointed out, his recovery is insane. He looked like he was knocked into next week by Wilder in the 12th round. Still beyond me how he made it up from that by count 10.

If we're talking great chins, as sick as I was of that guys shennanigans, Shannon Briggs comes to mind. That beating he took from Vitali who broke several bones in his face. That 10th round in this fight is by far one of the most one sided beatings, although slow paced, that I have seen live when the fight happened. The referee should have stopped it, had several opportunities to say enough is enough, but Briggs just refused to go down and left battered and beaten but standing after 12 rounds.

Fury's chin for a top heavyweight is below average but his heart and will to win are above average. People forget that Fury was an underdog vs Haye and Klitschko because not only had he gotten dropped hard by Cunningham and Pavjec, but he was buckled badly by journeyman Nicolai Firtha as well. Chisora in their first fight also had him a little rocky. And none of those guys except arguably Firtha are very hard punchers.

Yes Wilder has one punch KO power but he's always been one of the sloppiest finishers in boxing and it showed vs Fury. Honestly he looks like he's doing Backyard Brawl fighting when he goes to load up on a hurt guy, it's almost embarassing to watch.

Nightgaunt wrote: ↑27 May 2024, 13:12 I would give Fury an above average chin. He has been clocked by several fighters and knocked down by overhand rights over the years but not been too impressed by most and as other posters have pointed out, his recovery is insane. He looked like he was knocked into next week by Wilder in the 12th round. Still beyond me how he made it up from that by count 10.

If we're talking great chins, as sick as I was of that guys shennanigans, Shannon Briggs comes to mind. That beating he took from Vitali who broke several bones in his face. That 10th round in this fight is by far one of the most one sided beatings, although slow paced, that I have seen live when the fight happened. The referee should have stopped it, had several opportunities to say enough is enough, but Briggs just refused to go down and left battered and beaten but standing after 12 rounds.

Briggs did indeed stand up to a hell of a beating from Vitali, but he was stopped by Lennox Lewis and Darroll Wilson. The Darroll Wilson stoppage seemed to be a case of Briggs just going 100 miles an hour going for a quick stoppage out of the gate, and he punched himself out when it didn't work that way.

The kinda mistake an experienced fighter doesn't tend to make.

I don't recall Briggs being rocked too often other than against Lennox Lewis where it didn't seem to be a stamina issue.

tonyevs wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 13:22

NazNaci1 wrote: ↑26 May 2024, 10:35 5 - Average

An ok chin. The fact he is so big and can grab, mess, maul and hold, certainly helps in his recovery.

Its in big part that even when his brain gets wobbled and the signals to his legs slow/pause, he retains the ability to think himself to safety.
He demonstrated that to great affect against Usyk in that 9th round.
Usyk wobbled Furys brain and his legs stiffened. Fury did what he has done to good affect previously and tried to grab and smother, but Usyk is a lot smarter than Furys previous opponents and managed to banjo another big shot off Fury ... Fury again tried to grab and smother ... and again got banjo`d.
Fury then had the awareness to change his plan, and try not try grabbing and smothering, and instead get as far away from Usyk has his legs would allow.

That was the most hurt Fury has been. He fell more dramatically against Wilder and Cunningham, but I think his big ungainly size exaggerated that. Against Usyk he looked absolutely petrified as he got bashed from pillar to post.

Larry Holmes was like that and so were many other great boxers. Ali and Leonard are 2 other obvious candidates.

Fury has also long insisted that physique and stamina are not necessarily linked as closely as many think and has demonstrated the fact several times.

Virtually every other current HW I can think of would have been finished after rd 9.

Unfortunately for Fury, even he can't keep recovering like that forever.

He certainly has a lot to think about, and having lost the financial leverage in the return with Usyk he might just "do a Canelo" and forgo the rematch against Usyk in favour of easier and bigger pickings.

Unlike Canelo he hasn't that kind of drawing power and given everything else I'm half expecting expecting Fury v Joshua before Fury v Usyk 2.

His chins not the best , but guts, fortitude , and recovery rate are right up there

Fury's chin is fair, but not great.

What he does have in spades is recuperative powers akin to Larry Holmes and intestinal fortitude that's also up there with the best.