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nobody seems to think michael hunter's loss to artem suslenkov was a real pro fight do they?

I. Pretty sure this is the org run by russian oligarchs and not deemed legitimate

However given all boxing is fixed at every level (not every fightmind you) its hilarious that russian oligarchs and their league is deemed illegitimate due to fixing concerns but not anywhere in the US

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 09:22 I. Pretty sure this is the org run by russian oligarchs and not deemed legitimate

However given all boxing is fixed at every level (not every fightmind you) its hilarious that russian oligarchs and their league is deemed illegitimate due to fixing concerns but not anywhere in the US

is this also why they won't credit eduardo nunez with his big win over shavkat rakhimov? has this cost NUNEZ a 130 pound title shot?

The IBA is the former AIBA but they changed their name in '22. It is run by a Russian with lots of money behind them. They were determined by the IOC to be too corrupt to run the boxing in the Olympics which is saying something as the IOC is kind of corrupt as well.
When CK Wu ran AIBA, they started the WSB which were five rounders. They had visions of taking over pro boxing since the best amateurs came through them but it didn't last. Now the IBA is putting on big shows with 8, 10, 12 round fights mostly in former Soviet countries.

They also removed Suslenkov's last match with Wilmer Vasquez, even though it was originally listed. What's happening?
Suslenkov also has a draw with Kevin Johnson, which is missing from BoxRec.
3 matches of this man are not recognized.

Yet Petrovsky's win over Lucas Browne is counted

JMac wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 11:26 The IBA is the former AIBA but they changed their name in '22. It is run by a Russian with lots of money behind them. They were determined by the IOC to be too corrupt to run the boxing in the Olympics which is saying something as the IOC is kind of corrupt as well.
When CK Wu ran AIBA, they started the WSB which were five rounders. They had visions of taking over pro boxing since the best amateurs came through them but it didn't last. Now the IBA is putting on big shows with 8, 10, 12 round fights mostly in former Soviet countries.

8, 10, and 12 rounds is a pro boxing contest and  should be recognized as such. Period, end of sentence.

Amateur contests are 5 rounds or less.

What is next, the IBA getting that old school feeling and putting on a select few 15 round matches?

The alphabet mafia guys can act like the IBA does exist, but IMO Box Rec should be neutral.

pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 06:08

JMac wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 11:26 The IBA is the former AIBA but they changed their name in '22. It is run by a Russian with lots of money behind them. They were determined by the IOC to be too corrupt to run the boxing in the Olympics which is saying something as the IOC is kind of corrupt as well.
When CK Wu ran AIBA, they started the WSB which were five rounders. They had visions of taking over pro boxing since the best amateurs came through them but it didn't last. Now the IBA is putting on big shows with 8, 10, 12 round fights mostly in former Soviet countries.

8, 10, and 12 rounds is a pro boxing contest and  should be recognized as such. Period, end of sentence.

Amateur contests are 5 rounds or less.

What is next, the IBA getting that old school feeling and putting on a select few 15 round matches?

The alphabet mafia guys can act like the IBA does exist, but IMO Box Rec should be neutral.

Surely they're not approved and regulated? Therefore the judge's, referee and the boxers do not get checked to ensure the legitimacy of the sport. You could box JMac in a 10 round fight in my back yard with me as referee, I can give you a Gucci belt for winning and you think that's a legitimate pro boxing match?

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 08:24

pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 06:08

JMac wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 11:26 The IBA is the former AIBA but they changed their name in '22. It is run by a Russian with lots of money behind them. They were determined by the IOC to be too corrupt to run the boxing in the Olympics which is saying something as the IOC is kind of corrupt as well.
When CK Wu ran AIBA, they started the WSB which were five rounders. They had visions of taking over pro boxing since the best amateurs came through them but it didn't last. Now the IBA is putting on big shows with 8, 10, 12 round fights mostly in former Soviet countries.

8, 10, and 12 rounds is a pro boxing contest and  should be recognized as such. Period, end of sentence.

Amateur contests are 5 rounds or less.

What is next, the IBA getting that old school feeling and putting on a select few 15 round matches?

The alphabet mafia guys can act like the IBA does exist, but IMO Box Rec should be neutral.

Surely they're not approved and regulated? Therefore the judge's, referee and the boxers do not get checked to ensure the legitimacy of the sport. You could box JMac in a 10 round fight in my back yard with me as referee, I can give you a Gucci belt for winning and you think that's a legitimate pro boxing match?

Not approved and regulated?? I'm no fan of the IBA because of my many years involvement with amateur boxing but they are just as legit as any other alphabet group. What makes the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, etc approved or regulated? The ref's and judges have probably more experience as any so called pro refs and judges. They can also be just as corrupt as any pro official. Check out their website and look at pics from their shows. They are more legit and big time as many pro shows anywhere else. Plus the boxers that are fighting on their shows have lots of experience fighting in amateur world tournaments against the best boxers around the world.

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 08:24

pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 06:08

JMac wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 11:26 The IBA is the former AIBA but they changed their name in '22. It is run by a Russian with lots of money behind them. They were determined by the IOC to be too corrupt to run the boxing in the Olympics which is saying something as the IOC is kind of corrupt as well.
When CK Wu ran AIBA, they started the WSB which were five rounders. They had visions of taking over pro boxing since the best amateurs came through them but it didn't last. Now the IBA is putting on big shows with 8, 10, 12 round fights mostly in former Soviet countries.

8, 10, and 12 rounds is a pro boxing contest and  should be recognized as such. Period, end of sentence.

Amateur contests are 5 rounds or less.

What is next, the IBA getting that old school feeling and putting on a select few 15 round matches?

The alphabet mafia guys can act like the IBA does exist, but IMO Box Rec should be neutral.

Surely they're not approved and regulated? Therefore the judge's, referee and the boxers do not get checked to ensure the legitimacy of the sport. You could box JMac in a 10 round fight in my back yard with me as referee, I can give you a Gucci belt for winning and you think that's a legitimate pro boxing match?

That Guchi belt could be worth a heck of a lot more than say the WBA " Gold " belt. Just saying... My wife will take it! Unless Parada makes one. Now that will cost be a lot of $ How much is the purse of the match vs. JMac worth? I need ti factor that in and pay the sanctioning fees like the WBA demands.

Who says IBA are not approved and regulated?

BoxRec recognizes some IBA events, others not. Complete chaos.

pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 15:33

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 08:24

pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 06:08


8, 10, and 12 rounds is a pro boxing contest and  should be recognized as such. Period, end of sentence.

Amateur contests are 5 rounds or less.

What is next, the IBA getting that old school feeling and putting on a select few 15 round matches?

The alphabet mafia guys can act like the IBA does exist, but IMO Box Rec should be neutral.

Surely they're not approved and regulated? Therefore the judge's, referee and the boxers do not get checked to ensure the legitimacy of the sport. You could box JMac in a 10 round fight in my back yard with me as referee, I can give you a Gucci belt for winning and you think that's a legitimate pro boxing match?

That Guchi belt could be worth a heck of a lot more than say the WBA " Gold " belt. Just saying... My wife will take it! Unless Parada makes one. Now that will cost be a lot of $ How much is the purse of the match vs. JMac worth?

We're talking big money now!

lof wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 16:30 BoxRec recognizes some IBA events, others not. Complete chaos.

As far as I know, the top 3 fights-- labeled "Professional Bouts"--are the only ones that BoxRec currently lists of the fights in IBA events. Are there others?

Interestingly, Muslim Gadzimagomedov's IBA fight was counted:

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/856726


But only the main card fights are in the event (so 3 out of 6):

https://boxrec.com/en/event/899473

Something is different between the two sets of fights, which is leading Boxrec to list some but not most of IBA event fights

SportsRatings wrote: ↑14 Aug 2024, 03:01 Interestingly, Muslim Gadzimagomedov's IBA fight was counted:

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/856726


But only the main card fights are in the event (so 3 out of 6):

https://boxrec.com/en/event/899473

Something is different between the two sets of fights, which is leading Boxrec to list some but not most of IBA event fights

I really just wish Boxrec would tell us what the criteria is (are) for inclusion