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Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 08 Aug 2024, 11:33
by keithmoonhangover
Jemal Hinton is the first one to spring to mind.
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 08 Aug 2024, 11:39
by margaret thatcher
frankie gomez was a world champ in the ams, beating future gold medalists, world champs, and contenders, and had loads of talent, but couldnt be arsed with boxing and quit at 21-0 at 24 years old. he is now a mechanic apparently
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/529717
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 08 Aug 2024, 13:28
by Controversial
Cuban world junior amateur champ Luis Garcia was very highly rated, he was Froch's chief sparring partner at one point and Froch said he couldn't lay a glove on him and Garcia would often beat him up, he broke his ribs in one session. Mick Hennessy said Garcia was the most talented fighter he ever saw. Defected from Cuba and moved to Ireland and fought from 2008-11 and then didn't fight for 4 years. He then only had one fight a year in 2015, 2016 and 2017 (all first round wins) getting to 15-0 (12 KOS) but then disappeared, apparently managerial issues. He started as a SMW, then LHW and ended up as a CW so maybe not as disciplined as he should've been. He ended up working in a fish and chip shop and according to Froch looked fat when he saw him. He'd be about 37 now.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/462931
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 08 Aug 2024, 15:28
by Vlad
Lee Canalito
Scott Daley
Alexey Soloviev
Mlungisi Dlamini
Gabula Vabaza
Kennedy Kanyanta
Rostislav Plechko
Horace Notice
Ruslan Taramov
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 08 Aug 2024, 16:11
by Controversial
Vlad wrote: ↑08 Aug 2024, 15:28
Lee Canalito
Scott Daley
Alexey Soloviev
Mlungisi Dlamini
Gabula Vabaza
Kennedy Kanyanta
Rostislav Plechko
Horace Notice
Ruslan Taramov
Canalito wasn't that good. Don't know Scott Daley but looking at his record he only fought debutants and fighters with losing records so a very padded record. Think the same for some of the others you listed. Notice was fairly decent, he had to retire due to a detached retina, his lack of size would've let him down.
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 09 Aug 2024, 02:17
by margaret thatcher
daley fought 11 guys making their debut, 10 of them never fought again. wonder if these guys were even boxers or were dudes picked from the crowd or something. i also wonder how many fights on guys records vs these mystery men actually even happened or were fabricated for that one particular boxer
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 09 Aug 2024, 03:29
by bennie
Laszlo Papp springs to mind. Another eastern bloc fighter, Mircea Simon, is also well worth a mention. Simon, from Romania, won heavyweight silver in the Montreal Olympics in 1976, losing to the fearsome Teofilo Stevenson in the final. Simon really took it to Stevenson and looked set for a stunning victory when the giant Cuban dropped in a right hand in the third round and Simon fell like he had been shot. He bravely got to his feet but staggered around the ring to be stopped by both the referee and the Romanian corner, who threw in the towel. There were only 25 seconds left on the clock. Simon's victims in the Games included Trevor Berbick and Clarence Hill.
Two years later, in 1978, Simon caused something of a sensation when he defected to the United States while boxing for Romania in Nevada. He was granted political asylum and turned pro with Jackie McCoy out of California, going unbeaten in 14 contests but never fully convincing and draws with gatekeepers Eddie Lopez and Leroy Caldwell signified that Simon was not going to make it. He walked away and later returned to Romania.
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 09 Aug 2024, 05:17
by Controversial
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Aug 2024, 02:17
daley fought 11 guys making their debut, 10 of them never fought again. wonder if these guys were even boxers or were dudes picked from the crowd or something. i also wonder how many fights on guys records vs these mystery men actually even happened or were fabricated for that one particular boxer
Yep, from the deep south, as you say most probably never boxed in their lives
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 09 Aug 2024, 05:18
by Controversial
bennie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2024, 03:29
Laszlo Papp springs to mind. Another eastern bloc fighter, Mircea Simon, is also well worth a mention. Simon, from Romania, won heavyweight silver in the Montreal Olympics in 1976, losing to the fearsome Teofilo Stevenson in the final. Simon really took it to Stevenson and looked set for a stunning victory when the giant Cuban dropped in a right hand in the third round and Simon fell like he had been shot. He bravely got to his feet but staggered around the ring to be stopped by both the referee and the Romanian corner, who threw in the towel. There were only 25 seconds left on the clock. Simon's victims in the Games included Trevor Berbick and Clarence Hill.
Two years later, in 1978, Simon caused something of a sensation when he defected to the United States while boxing for Romania in Nevada. He was granted political asylum and turned pro with Jackie McCoy out of California, going unbeaten in 14 contests but never fully convincing and draws with gatekeepers Eddie Lopez and Leroy Caldwell signified that Simon was not going to make it. He walked away and later returned to Romania.
Papp of course. Not head of Mircea Simon, good shout Bennie
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 09 Aug 2024, 05:41
by bennie
Controversial wrote: ↑09 Aug 2024, 05:18
bennie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2024, 03:29
Laszlo Papp springs to mind. Another eastern bloc fighter, Mircea Simon, is also well worth a mention. Simon, from Romania, won heavyweight silver in the Montreal Olympics in 1976, losing to the fearsome Teofilo Stevenson in the final. Simon really took it to Stevenson and looked set for a stunning victory when the giant Cuban dropped in a right hand in the third round and Simon fell like he had been shot. He bravely got to his feet but staggered around the ring to be stopped by both the referee and the Romanian corner, who threw in the towel. There were only 25 seconds left on the clock. Simon's victims in the Games included Trevor Berbick and Clarence Hill.
Two years later, in 1978, Simon caused something of a sensation when he defected to the United States while boxing for Romania in Nevada. He was granted political asylum and turned pro with Jackie McCoy out of California, going unbeaten in 14 contests but never fully convincing and draws with gatekeepers Eddie Lopez and Leroy Caldwell signified that Simon was not going to make it. He walked away and later returned to Romania.
Papp of course. Not head of Mircea Simon, good shout Bennie
Cheers, mate. I watched Simon 'live' from the Odeon in darkest Birmingham when he made an appearance on the big Ali-Spinks show in New Orleans in September 1978. Bob Arum was trying to big-up Simon, who was white and had a nice story to tell. He took out a nobody in the first round but his movements were stiff and it was obvious that his entrenched amateur style was never going to translate to the pros.
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 09 Aug 2024, 06:32
by Noxy
Kevin Lear was doing well. Then he disappeared. I think injuries got to him.
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 10 Aug 2024, 08:06
by Perseus
Harry Simon
Joe Mesi
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 10 Aug 2024, 09:41
by Boxing Prospect
Kiyoshi Tanabe hasn't had a mention.
Went 21-0-1 (5) as a pro, won a Bronze medal in the 1960 Olympics, after going a reported 115-5 (30) in the unpaid ranks. He stopped the then WBC Flyweight champion Horacio Accavallo in 1967 in a non-title fight, in what would be his final fight before being forced to retire due to a serious eye injury (detached retina) which later left him blind in one eye. He was supposed to get a title shot at Accavallo as a result of his non-title win, but the retirement saw him miss out.
Only mark on his record was a draw against Yuzo Narumi in late 1966, the bout was also the start of the end for Narumi who went 4-9-1 over the rest of his career, with a win over Ric Magramo, but losses to the likes of Speedy Hayase, Hiroyuki Ebihara, Bernabe Villacampo and Masao Oba.
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/82013
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 10 Aug 2024, 13:08
by Controversial
Ike Ibeabuchi
Re: Best Boxers To Retire Undefeated, But Never Make It To The Top.
Posted: 10 Aug 2024, 22:03
by Perseus
