After he bins Ben off, who do you think he goes to next.
If he exercises the rematch vs DDD how about McGuigan. Former DDD trainer, would be good insight for the game plan.
Although less effective if AJ is just shot.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 14:12
by SeanBrennan
Although quite expensive in terms of comping his entire family's expenses to the camp.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 14:20
by Controversial
I'm not sure changing trainers this late into his career will make any difference, I think when the going gets tough you revert to type and all the "new" skills go out the window.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 14:35
by Coco
I'd stick with Boxercise Ben, they get on well, obviously late on in a career you can't change a fighter, but if a trainer can motivate you and have a good plan, it works.
In regards to the DDD fight, as Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 14:54
by handsofstone
He should stick with Davison, can't be changing trainers again unless he was to go back with McCracken, Davison's corner work been taking flak but he didn't tell Joshua to disregard defence and keep that left hand low, we seen AJ ignore Rob's instructions years ago as well, it's time he accepts the lions share of the blame
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 15:09
by joshj909
It depends. Did Ben come up with the idea to keep his hands low and not throw combinations or was that Joshua? If it was Ben then he needs to realise that this is an incompatible pairing. McCracken did better for Joshua at least.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 15:30
by a force
Personally I think Davison’s an idiot & the idea that anyone fighting for million pound plus purses would put their trust in someone so thick is baffling to me.
As soon as I heard Eddie talking about how ‘happy’ Joshua is in camp alarm bells start ringing. Camp should be hell. We had it with Frampton & Taylor too. Moved trainer & started talking about how much fun they were having & how little sparring they’re doing & then their performances suffered in the ring.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 15:31
by The Gratest
An AI hologram of Manny Steward.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 15:32
by dookus
joshj909 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 15:09
It depends. Did Ben come up with the idea to keep his hands low and not throw combinations or was that Joshua? If it was Ben then he needs to realise that this is an incompatible pairing. McCracken did better for Joshua at least.
Or perhaps he's always had these bad habits and Davison hasn't been able to drill them out
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 16:03
by CaptainSpacerod
Time for something totally different.
Dom Ingle ?
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 16:28
by The Gratest
I've never understood this leading right uppercut punch from the back foot he works on. Surely that's a punch for in close? It's what he went for before getting clocked for the final time on Saturday.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 18:07
by SeanBrennan
Controversial wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 14:20
I'm not sure changing trainers this late into his career will make any difference, I think when the going gets tough you revert to type and all the "new" skills go out the window.
me neither, I suspect he will though as he's been through a lot of them.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 18:07
by SeanBrennan
CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 16:03
Time for something totally different.
Dom Ingle ?
nobody needs a PED ban from the special Pringles
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 18:09
by SeanBrennan
a force wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 15:30
Personally I think Davison’s an idiot & the idea that anyone fighting for million pound plus purses would put their trust in someone so thick is baffling to me.
As soon as I heard Eddie talking about how ‘happy’ Joshua is in camp alarm bells start ringing. Camp should be hell. We had it with Frampton & Taylor too. Moved trainer & started talking about how much fun they were having & how little sparring they’re doing & then their performances suffered in the ring.
reminds me of when Billy Joe was 'in camp' with Boxercise Benji and they did an interview with one of the inhouse PR channels like IFL TV and both looked wired like they'd been shot through on 4 grams and an evening of reacharounds.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 18:28
by dookus
The Gratest wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 16:28
I've never understood this leading right uppercut punch from the back foot he works on. Surely that's a punch for in close? It's what he went for before getting clocked for the final time on Saturday.
Yeah that's not hitting anyone with even a bit of defence. Probably feels good to throw on camera though...
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 18:39
by jameswilson
God only knows the kind of underwear and Indian food you'd be able to buy on the AJ dollar.
I expect AJ walking in on Barry and co asking how his 7 figure purse has descended into a few hundred quid would look a bit like this?
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 19:36
by coneye
Said on here many a time i don'r rate Davidson , AJ does seem to go through a lot of trainers , and thats bad , i did'nt watch the fight but snippets and highlights i did watch , just shown BASIC BASIC mistakes made , its not has if AJ got caught while doing a fancy Komnchenko move , consisting of 3 punches and 2 foot movements .
he was leading with an long range upercut very dangerous move , , he swayed back instead of stepping back , he threw one punch and dropped the other arm ,, BASIC BASIC mistakes made by novices ,
People say you cannot teach an old dog new tricks , BUT YOU CAN , AJ is living prove of this he's learnt these bad mistakes from his current crop of trainers , he was'nt making them when he was ametreur or under Mcracken , well at least not to this extent ,
, its simple , he is'nt being pulled up , and sent to the naughty corner in the gym , christ if he was with me , i'd pull him out of sparring and make him go to the corner face the wall with a big dunces hat on until he learns not to do it again .
I fear for AJ its just too late , he excelled with Mckracken who really got the best out of him , and since then has just floated from one to the other who are yeas men , because of the money , non of them are actually standing up to him and telling him , how bad he is becoming , because one thing i can gaurantee you , these mistakes have been practiced IN THE GYM .
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 24 Sep 2024, 05:47
by dookus
coneye wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 19:36
Said on here many a time i don'r rate Davidson , AJ does seem to go through a lot of trainers , and thats bad , i did'nt watch the fight but snippets and highlights i did watch , just shown BASIC BASIC mistakes made , its not has if AJ got caught while doing a fancy Komnchenko move , consisting of 3 punches and 2 foot movements .
he was leading with an long range upercut very dangerous move , , he swayed back instead of stepping back , he threw one punch and dropped the other arm ,, BASIC BASIC mistakes made by novices ,
People say you cannot teach an old dog new tricks , BUT YOU CAN , AJ is living prove of this he's learnt these bad mistakes from his current crop of trainers , he was'nt making them when he was ametreur or under Mcracken , well at least not to this extent ,
, its simple , he is'nt being pulled up , and sent to the naughty corner in the gym , christ if he was with me , i'd pull him out of sparring and make him go to the corner face the wall with a big dunces hat on until he learns not to do it again .
I fear for AJ its just too late , he excelled with Mckracken who really got the best out of him , and since then has just floated from one to the other who are yeas men , because of the money , non of them are actually standing up to him and telling him , how bad he is becoming , because one thing i can gaurantee you , these mistakes have been practiced IN THE GYM .
forget learning new tricks, he's not even using the ones he learned years ago!
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 24 Sep 2024, 07:47
by mickey1975
I don't think he should sack the trainer. He's tried seven different top trainers and still struggled with the basics on Saturday. He looked exactly the same when hurt as when facing Ruiz five years ago.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 24 Sep 2024, 07:52
by SeanBrennan
mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 07:47
I don't think he should sack the trainer. He's tried seven different top trainers and still struggled with the basics on Saturday. He looked exactly the same when hurt as when facing Ruiz five years ago.
it's why I admired Froch for staying with the same trainer win or lose and not blaming him - and also always sticking with him getting 10%, not trying to swerve into a fee when he made big money.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 24 Sep 2024, 08:06
by stujones
The Gratest wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 16:28
I've never understood this leading right uppercut punch from the back foot he works on. Surely that's a punch for in close? It's what he went for before getting clocked for the final time on Saturday.
Jesus I have not seen that before - talk about telegraphing. He absolutely wings it - that extensive drop low for that extra leverage is shocking - let alone the obvious thing he does with his feet and his little head movement (dip to the right) just prior to throwing it.
I remember Holyfield highlighting how Tyson telegraphs his hooks and he countered every time in fight 1, except for in round 1 when Tyson actually dipped to his left and then threw a right which flummoxed Holyfield (and hurt him). Joshua though has so many "ticks" when he is throwing that show and that show is unbelievably telegraphed anyway.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 24 Sep 2024, 08:10
by Counter-puncher
i saw a short video of AJ practising the uppercut on instagram, a clip was posted about a week ago
so obviously, very quickly someone replies in the comments about how telegraphed it is, noone with decent defence would get hit by it, try it against a decent fighter he'd get countered into next week etc
and all the AJ fanboys be like 'oh yeah, you're a world champion now I suppose, armchair critic, shut up, hater!'
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 24 Sep 2024, 08:14
by stujones
McGuigan is a great call and reading between the lines - there may be some "hard feelings" there, even though they claim there isn't - I don't think McGuigan particularly rated Dubois. Seemed to make Joshua a heavy favourite.
I am not sure why Joshua left his last coach (one before Davison). Remember Davison was only suppossed to be an interim coach as his previous coach was unaviable for one fight. Surely makes sense for him to go back there.
Re: AJ next trainer
Posted: 24 Sep 2024, 08:41
by Ruthless-RKO
SeanBrennan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 14:11
After he bins Ben off, who do you think he goes to next.
If he exercises the rematch vs DDD how about McGuigan. Former DDD trainer, would be good insight for the game plan.
forget learning new tricks, he's not even using the ones he learned years ago!