Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 20 Oct 2024, 08:22
I think it'd be a very hard fight for both. Peak vs Peak.
RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)
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Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 20 Oct 2024, 08:29
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 20 Oct 2024, 09:47
Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.The Gratest wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 08:29 RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 20 Oct 2024, 19:31
Beterbiev- too much pressure and power. RJJ reduced to survival mode
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 20 Oct 2024, 21:26
rjj at his peak lhw form is too much, special special fighter. would outspeed bert and win a decision
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 20 Oct 2024, 22:12
Jones too quick for just about anyone
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 21 Oct 2024, 04:09
Jones
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 21 Oct 2024, 08:17
If Roy would have retired after the Ruiz Title fight he would of had a strong argument as the Goat.apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 09:47Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.The Gratest wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 08:29 RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 22 Oct 2024, 02:05
Hardly. His past-prime loss don't affect his previous legacy. Jones isn't in the argument to be GOAT in any case.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 08:17If Roy would have retired after the Ruiz Title fight he would of had a strong argument as the Goat.apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 09:47Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.The Gratest wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 08:29 RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 23 Oct 2024, 19:10
RJJ about 117-111 unless A.B. knocks him spark out -- which would be a real possibility.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 23 Oct 2024, 19:25
RJJ avoided a Hopkins rematch along with the Dariusz Michalczewski fight at Light Heavy to unify the titles. Hardly the actions of someone deserving to be called The Goat.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 08:17If Roy would have retired after the Ruiz Title fight he would of had a strong argument as the Goat.apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 09:47Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.The Gratest wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 08:29 RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 24 Oct 2024, 15:46
I never called Roy the Goat. I was making the point that if Roy would have retired right after the Ruiz fight when he won a World Title at Heavyweight he would of had a strong argument. Unfortunately for Roy he stayed for too long and tarnished his legacy some. Great career for sure and ranks as the best Light Heavyweight of all-time on my list and in the top 10 P4P all time but not #1.Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Oct 2024, 19:25RJJ avoided a Hopkins rematch along with the Dariusz Michalczewski fight at Light Heavy to unify the titles. Hardly the actions of someone deserving to be called The Goat.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑21 Oct 2024, 08:17If Roy would have retired after the Ruiz Title fight he would of had a strong argument as the Goat.apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 09:47
Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 24 Oct 2024, 18:06
Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.
Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.
Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.
Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.
Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 24 Oct 2024, 19:40
I agree completely-Jones would never fight Beterbiev.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 26 Oct 2024, 02:54
It didn't help that Roy went to Heavyweight then dropped all the way back down to 175 to fight Tarver when it comes to taking punches. He got touched up pretty good in the first Tarver fight and that while weight drained had a permanent effect on his brain. He still edged it though and should have called it a day. I do agree that 168 could of been the best Roy.pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024, 18:06 Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.
Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.
Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 26 Oct 2024, 06:43
It would be a tough fight for both, thats for sure. Its very difficult to keep a fighter like Artur at bay. Artur is a master of cutting off the ring and positioning for the attack. Roy would have the better chances to win by decision but I'd not count out a stoppage victory by Artur too.pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024, 18:06 Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.
Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.
Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 26 Oct 2024, 06:51
That jump up at HW and then dropping back to lhw definitely affected his body. At 168 RJJ was truly unstoppable. Indeed if he retired immediately after that fight at hw, his legacy would've been incredible.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑26 Oct 2024, 02:54It didn't help that Roy went to Heavyweight then dropped all the way back down to 175 to fight Tarver when it comes to taking punches. He got touched up pretty good in the first Tarver fight and that while weight drained had a permanent effect on his brain. He still edged it though and should have called it a day. I do agree that 168 could of been the best Roy.pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024, 18:06 Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.
Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.
Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 26 Oct 2024, 17:03
I agree 100%apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Oct 2024, 06:51That jump up at HW and then dropping back to lhw definitely affected his body. At 168 RJJ was truly unstoppable. Indeed if he retired immediately after that fight at hw, his legacy would've been incredible.xxxxxxx wrote: ↑26 Oct 2024, 02:54It didn't help that Roy went to Heavyweight then dropped all the way back down to 175 to fight Tarver when it comes to taking punches. He got touched up pretty good in the first Tarver fight and that while weight drained had a permanent effect on his brain. He still edged it though and should have called it a day. I do agree that 168 could of been the best Roy.pound per pound wrote: ↑24 Oct 2024, 18:06 Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.
Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.
Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 26 Oct 2024, 17:46
Prime vs prime, is that a serious question? OK: RJJ, wide UD, without even having to switch past 2nd gear.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 01:58
I slightly favor Beterbiev. If Tarver can Beat Jones, Beterbiev can too. Especially with VADA testing
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 05:33
What kind of ped testing was back then in the 80's or 90's ? It was a strict rule or it was optional ? Some of the legendary fighters were suspected to be roided to the gills, What they used back then ?
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 13:25
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 20:49
More like Michalczewski avoided Roy. And Hopkins was 2 divisions below Roy, unwilling to move up to meet him.Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Oct 2024, 19:25 RJJ avoided a Hopkins rematch along with the Dariusz Michalczewski fight at Light Heavy to unify the titles. Hardly the actions of someone deserving to be called The Goat.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 27 Oct 2024, 21:24
Chicken Roy...bok bok bok! Avoided Dariusz like the plague.Lackeos wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 20:49More like Michalczewski avoided Roy. And Hopkins was 2 divisions below Roy, unwilling to move up to meet him.Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Oct 2024, 19:25 RJJ avoided a Hopkins rematch along with the Dariusz Michalczewski fight at Light Heavy to unify the titles. Hardly the actions of someone deserving to be called The Goat.
Re: Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?
Posted: 29 Oct 2024, 12:02
RJJ all day and twice on Sundays.... Beter is all power and good on him but faced with Roy's skills, only one winner...if Callum Johnson can put Beterbiev on his arse with a punch he could see coming...how is he going to deal with Roy...