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My thought… stunned!

I’m still very much torn in Tysons inclusion, I guess that makes the criteria in term of being a half decent citizen murky though.

A great fighter. He beat Cordoba, who was pretty handy himself.

torn on mike tyson's inclusion? why, he's a sure thing hall of famer. a heck of a world champion and one of the most famous boxers of all time, hell one of the most famous athletes ever. the hall would have to be greatly culled if we removed guys for morally questionable activity. sugar ray robinson was a fellow woman beater too for example

nunn had a really nice career filled with good wins. he doesnt have the same sure thing argument that other hall of famers do , but i dont have a problem with him being in

It's the three highest vote getters correct?
No minimum number of votes or percentage of votes required?
Used to be that way, don't know if it has changed.

Paquiao probably got almost 100% with Nunn and Paz having much lower numbers that wouldn't get them inducted in other years.
I would leave the ballot blank before casting a vote for Paz.

Maybe the IBHoF will make big money on induction weekend and then put that money into upgrading the absolute dump facility they operate.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 19:23 torn on mike tyson's inclusion? why, he's a sure thing hall of famer. a heck of a world champion and one of the most famous boxers of all time, hell one of the most famous athletes ever. the hall would have to be greatly culled if we removed guys for morally questionable activity. sugar ray robinson was a fellow woman beater too for example

nunn had a really nice career filled with good wins. he doesnt have the same sure thing argument that other hall of famers do , but i dont have a problem with him being in

Did Robinson get jail time for it? Also Tyson brought the sport into disrepute.

I’m torn with anyone who does serious jail time or ends up with significant licence withdrawal for boxing related issues (peds etc).

Cordoba was robbed in the first Nunn bout. But Nunn redeemed himself in the rematch. I'd vote for Nunn.

stujones wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 20:32

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 19:23 torn on mike tyson's inclusion? why, he's a sure thing hall of famer. a heck of a world champion and one of the most famous boxers of all time, hell one of the most famous athletes ever. the hall would have to be greatly culled if we removed guys for morally questionable activity. sugar ray robinson was a fellow woman beater too for example

nunn had a really nice career filled with good wins. he doesnt have the same sure thing argument that other hall of famers do , but i dont have a problem with him being in

Did Robinson get jail time for it? Also Tyson brought the sport into disrepute.

I’m torn with anyone who does serious jail time or ends up with significant licence withdrawal for boxing related issues (peds etc).

what does it matter if they got jail time if they still did it? sugar ray leonard admits abusing his wife too but never got jail. doesnt mean he didnt do it

hopkins robbed people, monzon was a killer, etc

ali failed a ped test

not saying that makes it okay, just that if we are gonna be consistent, then a lot of guys would be removed or become ineligible.

I'm surprised that they inducted three male and three female boxers (the same amount) for the modern era. I don't recall them ever doing that. I think Nunn is deserving and of course Pacquiao. I think there are other boxers more deserving than Vinny Paz such as Marlon Starling and Israel Vazquez.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 20:36

stujones wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 20:32

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 19:23 torn on mike tyson's inclusion? why, he's a sure thing hall of famer. a heck of a world champion and one of the most famous boxers of all time, hell one of the most famous athletes ever. the hall would have to be greatly culled if we removed guys for morally questionable activity. sugar ray robinson was a fellow woman beater too for example

nunn had a really nice career filled with good wins. he doesnt have the same sure thing argument that other hall of famers do , but i dont have a problem with him being in

Did Robinson get jail time for it? Also Tyson brought the sport into disrepute.

I’m torn with anyone who does serious jail time or ends up with significant licence withdrawal for boxing related issues (peds etc).

what does it matter if they got jail time if they still did it? sugar ray leonard admits abusing his wife too but never got jail. doesnt mean he didnt do it

hopkins robbed people, monzon was a killer, etc

ali failed a ped test

not saying that makes it okay, just that if we are gonna be consistent, then a lot of guys would be removed or become ineligible.

I’m not entirely comfortable with Hopkins inclusion, but at least his crimes took place before he started boxing. Monzon, no I don’t think he should be there.

I would put Nunn in ahead of Vinny Paz, whose best win was probably Greg Haugen. Seems like he usually lost to decent, non-shot opposition but he had a big personality. Nunn had some very good wins at middleweight and was pretty dominant until he got stopped by Toney. After that he was meh and often fought that way

Nunn is and has been a legitimate option for the HOF for awhile. IMO he belongs in much more than Tim Bradley that made his way in entirely off the back of a robbery decision win over Pacquiao.

Then there's Vinnie Paz. Look, I grew up for the most part in New England. I grew up during the Vinnie Paz period. I know all about Vinnie Paz and enjoyed watching him fight. I remember when he became a greeter at Foxwoods post career until I think he managed to rack up massive gambling debts. I could google this to verify but whatever, it doesn't matter. Point being, I feel comfortable in my knowledge of Vinnie Pazienza. Inducting Vinnie Pazienza before the likes of Dariusz, Tarver, Starling, Sahaprom, and many others is an abomination that, IMO, turns the criteria for the Hall into a joke. This is seriously just a short step up from putting in Joe Mesi. Anyone who wrote in Vinnie should be kicked out of the BWAA.

zorndeslammes wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 08:55 Nunn is and has been a legitimate option for the HOF for awhile. IMO he belongs in much more than Tim Bradley that made his way in entirely off the back of a robbery decision win over Pacquiao.

Then there's Vinnie Paz. Look, I grew up for the most part in New England. I grew up during the Vinnie Paz period. I know all about Vinnie Paz and enjoyed watching him fight. I remember when he became a greeter at Foxwoods post career until I think he managed to rack up massive gambling debts. I could google this to verify but whatever, it doesn't matter. Point being, I feel comfortable in my knowledge of Vinnie Pazienza. Inducting Vinnie Pazienza before the likes of Dariusz, Tarver, Starling, Sahaprom, and many others is an abomination that, IMO, turns the criteria for the Hall into a joke. This is seriously just a short step up from putting in Joe Mesi. Anyone who wrote in Vinnie should be kicked out of the BWAA.

It’s a little like being famous for being famous (the Kardashian syndrome). Vinny put in the work but he wasn’t a HOF fighter and there are several others who have made the cut more for one or two famous fights or having a good fan base or being on TV as opposed to their actual accomplishments. Lighter weight fighters particularly get screwed because few shows in the west promote any fights under 126 (although at least Monster and Bam are getting some attention). Chocolatito Gonzalez was a HOF-level fighter long before he was noticed by many fight fans, writers and the HOF crowd. Santos Laciar is a classic example of a fighter who should have been in long ago but doesn’t get a look because he was a flyweight from Argentina who didn’t fight in the US

giacomino wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 10:57

zorndeslammes wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 08:55 Nunn is and has been a legitimate option for the HOF for awhile. IMO he belongs in much more than Tim Bradley that made his way in entirely off the back of a robbery decision win over Pacquiao.

Then there's Vinnie Paz. Look, I grew up for the most part in New England. I grew up during the Vinnie Paz period. I know all about Vinnie Paz and enjoyed watching him fight. I remember when he became a greeter at Foxwoods post career until I think he managed to rack up massive gambling debts. I could google this to verify but whatever, it doesn't matter. Point being, I feel comfortable in my knowledge of Vinnie Pazienza. Inducting Vinnie Pazienza before the likes of Dariusz, Tarver, Starling, Sahaprom, and many others is an abomination that, IMO, turns the criteria for the Hall into a joke. This is seriously just a short step up from putting in Joe Mesi. Anyone who wrote in Vinnie should be kicked out of the BWAA.

It’s a little like being famous for being famous (the Kardashian syndrome). Vinny put in the work but he wasn’t a HOF fighter and there are several others who have made the cut more for one or two famous fights or having a good fan base or being on TV as opposed to their actual accomplishments. Lighter weight fighters particularly get screwed because few shows in the west promote any fights under 126 (although at least Monster and Bam are getting some attention). Chocolatito Gonzalez was a HOF-level fighter long before he was noticed by many fight fans, writers and the HOF crowd. Santos Laciar is a classic example of a fighter who should have been in long ago but doesn’t get a look because he was a flyweight from Argentina who didn’t fight in the US

He was a a great fighter.

Similar to the Migual 'Happy' Lora. I don't think he has been inducted, probably for similar reasons.

NazNaci1 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 12:28

giacomino wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 10:57

zorndeslammes wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 08:55 Nunn is and has been a legitimate option for the HOF for awhile. IMO he belongs in much more than Tim Bradley that made his way in entirely off the back of a robbery decision win over Pacquiao.

Then there's Vinnie Paz. Look, I grew up for the most part in New England. I grew up during the Vinnie Paz period. I know all about Vinnie Paz and enjoyed watching him fight. I remember when he became a greeter at Foxwoods post career until I think he managed to rack up massive gambling debts. I could google this to verify but whatever, it doesn't matter. Point being, I feel comfortable in my knowledge of Vinnie Pazienza. Inducting Vinnie Pazienza before the likes of Dariusz, Tarver, Starling, Sahaprom, and many others is an abomination that, IMO, turns the criteria for the Hall into a joke. This is seriously just a short step up from putting in Joe Mesi. Anyone who wrote in Vinnie should be kicked out of the BWAA.

It’s a little like being famous for being famous (the Kardashian syndrome). Vinny put in the work but he wasn’t a HOF fighter and there are several others who have made the cut more for one or two famous fights or having a good fan base or being on TV as opposed to their actual accomplishments. Lighter weight fighters particularly get screwed because few shows in the west promote any fights under 126 (although at least Monster and Bam are getting some attention). Chocolatito Gonzalez was a HOF-level fighter long before he was noticed by many fight fans, writers and the HOF crowd. Santos Laciar is a classic example of a fighter who should have been in long ago but doesn’t get a look because he was a flyweight from Argentina who didn’t fight in the US

He was a a great fighter.

Similar to the Migual 'Happy' Lora. I don't think he has been inducted, probably for similar reasons.

Another good example

I get ridiculed every time I mention it, but surely Sven ottkes achievements and for what he did for boxing Germany, deserve more recognition than Vinny Paz. Remember, it’s the international boxing hall of fame.

stujones wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 06:07

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 20:36

stujones wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 20:32


Did Robinson get jail time for it? Also Tyson brought the sport into disrepute.

I’m torn with anyone who does serious jail time or ends up with significant licence withdrawal for boxing related issues (peds etc).

what does it matter if they got jail time if they still did it? sugar ray leonard admits abusing his wife too but never got jail. doesnt mean he didnt do it

hopkins robbed people, monzon was a killer, etc

ali failed a ped test

not saying that makes it okay, just that if we are gonna be consistent, then a lot of guys would be removed or become ineligible.

I’m not entirely comfortable with Hopkins inclusion, but at least his crimes took place before he started boxing. Monzon, no I don’t think he should be there.

Hopkins did the crimes AND he did the time for those crimes.

AFTER serving his sentence AND by all accounts living a clean, law abiding life ever since you have problems with him receiving the status that comes with a very successful career in his chosen profession??

Perseus wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 19:25

stujones wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 06:07

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Dec 2024, 20:36

what does it matter if they got jail time if they still did it? sugar ray leonard admits abusing his wife too but never got jail. doesnt mean he didnt do it

hopkins robbed people, monzon was a killer, etc

ali failed a ped test

not saying that makes it okay, just that if we are gonna be consistent, then a lot of guys would be removed or become ineligible.

I’m not entirely comfortable with Hopkins inclusion, but at least his crimes took place before he started boxing. Monzon, no I don’t think he should be there.

Hopkins did the crimes AND he did the time for those crimes.

AFTER serving his sentence AND by all accounts living a clean, law abiding life ever since you have problems with him receiving the status that comes with a very successful career in his chosen profession??

You’ve misread me, someone said if you can accept Hopkins then you must accept Nunn for consistency. Your reasoning is exactly why it’s not consistent and I can accept Hopkins.


Do I feel as comfortable with it as a fighter without any major criminal record….. no..,, but I’m fine with Hopkins being in.


Tyson, Monzon and Nunn shouldn’t be in, in my opinion.

tyson did his time too

and what about someone like leonard admitting to abusing his wife but never doing time for it? is it just the charges that bother you? robinson was a known wife beater and a nasty person too.. diego corrales a woman beater too. and that's just this one type of offence (paz was done for it too btw)......plenty of other guys done for various assaults, thefts, drugs, crippling people with dangerous driving, etc.

what about ali or erik morales or roy jones jr failing ped tests? sugar shane admitting he used? evan fields holyfield? do you think canelo should be excluded for failing a test too?

boxing is filled with guys who did shady or even nasty stuff, and that includes boxers of the highest levels and even those highly respected or even adored

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 04:55 tyson did his time too

and what about someone like leonard admitting to abusing his wife but never doing time for it? is it just the charges that bother you? robinson was a known wife beater and a nasty person too.. diego corrales a woman beater too. and that's just this one type of offence (paz was done for it too btw)......plenty of other guys done for various assaults, thefts, drugs, crippling people with dangerous driving, etc.

what about ali or erik morales or roy jones jr failing ped tests? sugar shane admitting he used? evan fields holyfield? do you think canelo should be excluded for failing a test too?

boxing is filled with guys who did shady or even nasty stuff, and that includes boxers of the highest levels and even those highly respected or even adored

Didn't Ali fail for painkillers and anti d's?

If you think Tyson, Monzon, Nunn didn't deserve their Hall of Fame honor, then you don't understand. This honor was about their accomplishments in the boxing ring not their personal lives Hall of Fame. I respect what they have done in the ring made an impact of the sport, but when to their terrible things they have done outside the ring didn't disqualified them from their Hall of Fame honors in the ring. Without them their Boxing Hall of Fame would have less legitimacy on their sports. This was why they deserve their honor even though I don't like them what they did outside the ring.

The ibhof requires multiple fighters to be inducted every year which has now made it a watered down joke

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 13:49 The ibhof requires multiple fighters to be inducted every year which has now made it a watered down joke

They only inducted three male boxers from the modern era. Usually sports induct five to seven athletes per year. The problem is the people who vote and choose the inductees. There are other boxers much more deserving of being inducted than Vinny Paz. As others mentioned on the forum, there are boxers in the lighter weight classes who are overlooked because they did not fight in America. Marlon Starling should be inducted. He had two close losses by decision to Donald Curry who is inducted. He had victories over Simon Brown, Lloyd Honeyghan, and Mark Breland. In the late '80s, he was the best welterweight. It seems to be a popularity contest now like if a boxer had fame, then he should be in the Hall of Fame. Does this mean Jake Paul will eventually be inducted? There are also people from other categories who are being overlooked such as writers. Edwin Pope was a great sports writer which included boxing.

And absolutely phenomenal fighter almost impossible to beat, until he was unlucky enough to run into one of the greatest of all time, James Toney. Mike had some terrible luck, I mean getting banged up for all those years from what sounded like entrapment - obviously not the brightest guy but my god what a punishment that was. Stick him in the HOF

MightyWarrior wrote: ↑08 Dec 2024, 05:33 And absolutely phenomenal fighter almost impossible to beat, until he was unlucky enough to run into one of the greatest of all time, James Toney. Mike had some terrible luck, I mean getting banged up for all those years from what sounded like entrapment - obviously not the brightest guy but my god what a punishment that was. Stick him in the HOF

Don't forget to say James "Lights Out" Toney, a fellow Hall of Famer whom Michael "Second To" Nunn ran into.

Nunn gave great performances vs Curtis Parker, Sumbu Kalambay (a brilliant boxer), Juan Roldan and Frank Tate. He was still in his prime when Barkley stood up to him and he stopped looking invincible. Then opponents like Starling and Curry - much smaller guys - were finding him easy to hit and when Tony stopped him, in a dramatic come from behind KO, the lustre went from his career. I don 't know anything about the Cordoba fights - was it a good rivalry? I'm thinking Nunn wasn't great for long enough. Wish Nunn could've have rebounded from setbacks and recovered form, as he had the style, athleticism and power/skill to compete with Jones Jr.

Stunned at Paziienza getting in.

Would like to see Veeraphol Sahaprom (long reign, dominations of Tatsuyoshi were like the Mayweather-Gatti massacre, rivalry with Nishioka was likened to the Asian Vazquez-Marquez by I believe Graham Houston - all of this after a career as an elite Muay Thai boxer), Nishioka (Zaragoza-level perseverance, overcoming 4 title setbacks at 118, to become a 122 champ, turning back solid mandos coming off elim wins (Monroe, and in a war, Napapol), KO'ing Jhonny Gonzalez in Mexico and beating HOF'er Marquez in America); Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (along with Veeraphol, the most technically skilled of Thai champs, frustrating career kicked off with destruction of Tunacoa, (akin to Tyson-Berbick) and punctuated by masterclass over fine boxer Edgar Sosa), Leo Gamez (demonstrated excellence as a road warrior in multiple weight classes & losses to Yuh were superb contests that could've gone either way), Wilfredo Vasquez Sr (1997 KO of the year becoming 3 weight champ vs Rojas, beat Canizales without having to switch gears, famous loss to Hamed but during prime pushed Lora and Khaokor, fighters of equal talent, all the way; was in one of the best non title fights of all time vs Avelar); Israel Vazquez, rivalries with Marquez AND Larios, and stunning come from behind KO of Johnny Gonzalez; Masao Ohba still not in? I actually assumed the Japanese Salvador Sanchez was.