Jimmy Wilde All-Time Ranking at Flyweight

[JCS]

Last time I looked, I thought he was in the Top 5...

I know there have been system changes and I know that the bout histories back then were weak, but #32?

[computerrank]

Last time I looked, I thought he was in the Top 5...

I know there have been system changes and I know that the bout histories back then were weak, but #32?

The AT ratings are the sum of points for best opponents defeated and points for best rankings per year. Here is the list for top40 Flyweights:

points are for - sum - opponents defeated - years ranking

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  1 Flyweight            Pongsaklek Wonjongkam                569  160  408
  2 Flyweight            Fidel LaBarba                        503  241  261
  3 Flyweight            Vic Darchinyan                       493  135  357
  4 Flyweight            Kenshiro Teraji                      355  101  253
  5 Flyweight            Pancho Villa                         312  138  173
  6 Flyweight            Tancy Lee                            289  212   76
  7 Flyweight            Mark Johnson                         282  106  176
  8 Flyweight            Yuri Arbachakov                      280  110  170
  9 Flyweight            Midget Wolgast                       279  195   84
 10 Flyweight            Frankie Genaro                       259  195   63
 11 Flyweight            Newsboy Brown                        250  184   66
 12 Flyweight            Santos Laciar                        237  137   99
 13 Flyweight            Omar Andres Narvaez                  211   49  162
 14 Flyweight            Masao Oba                            205   66  138
 15 Flyweight            Horacio Accavallo                    202  136   66
 16 Flyweight            Jackie Paterson                      199  130   68
 17 Flyweight            Emile Pladner                        191  107   83
 18 Flyweight            Benny Lynch                          176  114   62
 19 Flyweight            Hiroyuki Ebihara                     172   70  102
 20 Flyweight            Betulio Gonzalez                     170   90   79
 21 Flyweight            Venice Borkhorsor                    162   55  106
 22 Flyweight            Chartchai Chionoi                    154   91   62
 23 Flyweight            Efren Torres                         151   72   78
 24 Flyweight            Willie Davies                        147  104   43
 25 Flyweight            Miguel Canto                         142   83   59
 26 Flyweight            Salvatore Burruni                    134   67   66
 27 Flyweight            Sot Chitalada                        125   57   68
 28 Flyweight            Pone Kingpetch                       123   86   37
 29 Flyweight            Daisuke Naito                        119   83   35
 30 Flyweight            Pascual Perez                        114   51   63
 31 Flyweight            Little Pancho                        103   50   53
 32 Flyweight            Jimmy Wilde                           94   18   76
 33 Flyweight            Johnny Hill                           88   59   28
 34 Flyweight            Seigo Yuri Akui                       86   41   45
 35 Flyweight            Yong Kang Kim                         82   60   22
 36 Flyweight            Eric Morel                            82   34   48
 37 Flyweight            Corporal Izzy Schwartz                80   66   14
 38 Flyweight            Mzukisi Sikali                        78   29   48
 39 Flyweight            Somchai Chertchai                     70   32   37
 40 Flyweight            Jimmy Warnock                         67   55   12

[JCS]

Hm. Something is wrong here. I think we both can agree that Wilde should be way closer to #1 than #32....

[computerrank]

Hm. Something is wrong here. I think we both can agree that Wilde should be way closer to #1 than #32....

His bouts and his rank and his opponents_rank:

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"1914-11-16 2 39"
"1915-01-25 2 14"
"1916-02-14 2 49"
"1916-06-26 1 23"
"1918-08-31 10 54"
"1919-03-31 7 30"
"1921-01-13 27 45"
"1923-06-18 64 15"

[Ambling Alp II]

It does seem that he has to be better than #32. I don't pretend to understand how the rankings work.
Curious if him fighting so early works against him. He is regarded as the very first flyweight champion. Therefore, he doesn't have a big name that he beat that was the champ before him. Wondering if that could hurt him? Just a thought.

[JCS]

It does seem that he has to be better than #32. I don't pretend to understand how the rankings work.
Curious if him fighting so early works against him. He is regarded as the very first flyweight champion. Therefore, he doesn't have a big name that he beat that was the champ before him. Wondering if that could hurt him? Just a thought.

I thought about Wilde when I made this thread: viewtopic.php?t=265567 -- Then realized someone could debate it... as BoxRec had his all-time ranking so low!!

I don't fully understand the numbers that Martin has given us... I'm guessing there are many things at play here..

Surely Wilde fighting in the early 1900s is working against him. It would seem that his opposition strength is really damaging his all-time ranking. I wonder if this stat is an overall average... or a sum.. or a top 10.. I do not know.

Another thing -- I'm sure there are fighters ranked above him that got credit for achievements in other divisions, especially heavier divisions. You can't tell me Vic Darchinyan has any claim whatsoever to #3 Flyweight All-Time.

Also not sure why Wilde disappeared completely from the annual Flyweight rankings in 1913, 1918, and 1919. Maybe that is an issue too, not sure.

[computerrank]

It does seem that he has to be better than #32. I don't pretend to understand how the rankings work.
Curious if him fighting so early works against him. He is regarded as the very first flyweight champion. Therefore, he doesn't have a big name that he beat that was the champ before him. Wondering if that could hurt him? Just a thought.

I thought about Wilde when I made this thread: viewtopic.php?t=265567 -- Then realized someone could debate it... as BoxRec had his all-time ranking so low!!

I don't fully understand the numbers that Martin has given us... I'm guessing there are many things at play here..

Surely Wilde fighting in the early 1900s is working against him. It would seem that his opposition strength is really damaging his all-time ranking. I wonder if this stat is an overall average... or a sum.. or a top 10.. I do not know.

Another thing -- I'm sure there are fighters ranked above him that got credit for achievements in other divisions, especially heavier divisions. You can't tell me Vic Darchinyan has any claim whatsoever to #3 Flyweight All-Time.

Also not sure why Wilde disappeared completely from the annual Flyweight rankings in 1913, 1918, and 1919. Maybe that is an issue too, not sure.

You can see the rules for all time ratings here:
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/BoxRe ... escription

their points for their best 10 wins against p4p top 1000 opponents
their points for their best 10 annual rankings in the p4p top 1000

In 1913, 1918 and 1919 Wilde didn't make the cut.

[SportsRatings]

In 1913, 1918 and 1919 Wilde didn't make the cut.

He must have been pretty disappointed in 1913 to go 30-0-0-4(NC) and not make the end of the year rankings!

[JCS]

In 1913, 1918 and 1919 Wilde didn't make the cut.

He must have been pretty disappointed in 1913 to go 30-0-0-4(NC) and not make the end of the year rankings!

Clearly something is wrong.

#3 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 5-0.
#5 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 3-0.
#6 guy was 1-0 career with a DQ win over 1-1.
#7 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 1-0.
#10 guy was 2-0 career with a win over 4-0-1 and 0-0.

Not sure how Wilde did not make the Top 10.

[computerrank]

In 1913, 1918 and 1919 Wilde didn't make the cut.

He must have been pretty disappointed in 1913 to go 30-0-0-4(NC) and not make the end of the year rankings!

Clearly something is wrong.

#3 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 5-0.
#5 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 3-0.
#6 guy was 1-0 career with a DQ win over 1-1.
#7 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 1-0.
#10 guy was 2-0 career with a win over 4-0-1 and 0-0.

Not sure how Wilde did not make the Top 10.

There is minimum rating for both opponents of 2 points to get the bout ranked in the top1000. When I drop the minimum rating to 1.5 points, I get the following ranking:

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  1 Flyweight            Jimmy Wilde                          415   31  384
  2 Flyweight            Pongsaklek Wonjongkam                291   15  276
  3 Flyweight            Kenshiro Teraji                      226    9  216
  4 Flyweight            Vic Darchinyan                       218   13  205
  5 Flyweight            Fidel LaBarba                        209   25  184
  6 Flyweight            Pancho Villa                         169   19  150
  7 Flyweight            Mark Johnson                         153    7  145
  8 Flyweight            Masao Oba                            150    9  140
  9 Flyweight            Tancy Lee                            148   31  116
 10 Flyweight            Omar Andres Narvaez                  148    6  142
 11 Flyweight            Betulio Gonzalez                     137   13  124
 12 Flyweight            Yuri Arbachakov                      130   12  118
 13 Flyweight            Venice Borkhorsor                     99   10   88
 14 Flyweight            Frankie Genaro                        96   17   79
 15 Flyweight            Hiroyuki Ebihara                      95   10   85
 16 Flyweight            Santos Laciar                         95   12   82
 17 Flyweight            Newsboy Brown                         91   15   75
 18 Flyweight            Efren Torres                          90    8   81
 19 Flyweight            Emile Pladner                         90   11   79
 20 Flyweight            Midget Wolgast                        89   14   74

[JCS]

He must have been pretty disappointed in 1913 to go 30-0-0-4(NC) and not make the end of the year rankings!

Clearly something is wrong.

#3 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 5-0.
#5 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 3-0.
#6 guy was 1-0 career with a DQ win over 1-1.
#7 guy was 1-0 career with a win over 1-0.
#10 guy was 2-0 career with a win over 4-0-1 and 0-0.

Not sure how Wilde did not make the Top 10.

There is minimum rating for both opponents of 2 points to get the bout ranked in the top1000. When I drop the minimum rating to 1.5 points, I get the following ranking:

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  1 Flyweight            Jimmy Wilde                          415   31  384
  2 Flyweight            Pongsaklek Wonjongkam                291   15  276
  3 Flyweight            Kenshiro Teraji                      226    9  216
  4 Flyweight            Vic Darchinyan                       218   13  205
  5 Flyweight            Fidel LaBarba                        209   25  184
  6 Flyweight            Pancho Villa                         169   19  150
  7 Flyweight            Mark Johnson                         153    7  145
  8 Flyweight            Masao Oba                            150    9  140
  9 Flyweight            Tancy Lee                            148   31  116
 10 Flyweight            Omar Andres Narvaez                  148    6  142
 11 Flyweight            Betulio Gonzalez                     137   13  124
 12 Flyweight            Yuri Arbachakov                      130   12  118
 13 Flyweight            Venice Borkhorsor                     99   10   88
 14 Flyweight            Frankie Genaro                        96   17   79
 15 Flyweight            Hiroyuki Ebihara                      95   10   85
 16 Flyweight            Santos Laciar                         95   12   82
 17 Flyweight            Newsboy Brown                         91   15   75
 18 Flyweight            Efren Torres                          90    8   81
 19 Flyweight            Emile Pladner                         90   11   79
 20 Flyweight            Midget Wolgast                        89   14   74

I think you found the solution.

Not sure what other ramification this will cause... but Wilde at #32 is a major flaw.

[computerrank]

I think you found the solution.

Not sure what other ramification this will cause... but Wilde at #32 is a major flaw.

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  1 Minimumweight        Ricardo Lopez                        628    9  618
  2 Minimumweight        Rosendo Alvarez                       75    5   70
  3 Minimumweight        Thammanoon Niyomtrong                 59    2   56
  4 Minimumweight        Chana Porpaoin                        45    5   39
  5 Minimumweight        Chayaphon Moonsri                     43    2   40
  6 Minimumweight        Kittipong Jaigrajang                  37    4   33
  7 Minimumweight        Oscar Collazo                         33    1   31
  8 Minimumweight        Eagle Den Junlaphan                   23    2   21
  9 Minimumweight        Hideyuki Ohashi                       23    3   20
 10 Minimumweight        Katsunari Takayama                    23    2   20
 11 Minimumweight        Young Joe Smith                       21    4   16
 12 Minimumweight        Thongchai Utaida                      17    1   15
 13 Minimumweight        Ivan Calderon                         17    1   15
 14 Minimumweight        Anucha Phothong                       17    1   16
 15 Minimumweight        Ginjiro Shigeoka                      16    1   14
 16 Minimumweight        Ryo Miyazaki                          14    1   13
 17 Minimumweight        Muhammad Rachman                      13    1   11
 18 Minimumweight        Yutaka Niida                          11    1   10
 19 Minimumweight        Melvin Jerusalem                      11    1   10
 20 Minimumweight        Rocky Lin                             11    0   10

  1 Light Flyweight      Myung Woo Yuh                        258    8  250
  2 Light Flyweight      Jorge Arce                           181    5  175
  3 Light Flyweight      Jung Koo Chang                       138   10  128
  4 Light Flyweight      Humberto Gonzalez                    128    9  118
  5 Light Flyweight      Michael Carbajal                     104    8   95
  6 Light Flyweight      Yoko Gushiken                         65    4   61
  7 Light Flyweight      Masamichi Yabuki                      64    4   59
  8 Light Flyweight      Hilario Zapata                        58   11   46
  9 Light Flyweight      Jacob Matlala                         45    5   40
 10 Light Flyweight      Giovani Segura                        44    2   41
 11 Light Flyweight      German Torres                         38    4   34
 12 Light Flyweight      Dodie Boy Penalosa                    37    3   34
 13 Light Flyweight      Muvhuso Nedzanani                     37    0   36
 14 Light Flyweight      Leo Gamez                             35    3   31
 15 Light Flyweight      Mauricio Pastrana                     34    5   29
 16 Light Flyweight      Vuyani Nene                           34    3   31
 17 Light Flyweight      Ryoichi Taguchi                       34    2   31
 18 Light Flyweight      Hekkie Budler                         30    3   27
 19 Light Flyweight      Saman Sorjaturong                     26    3   22
 20 Light Flyweight      Luis Estaba                           24    4   20

  1 Flyweight            Jimmy Wilde                          507   29  478
  2 Flyweight            Pongsaklek Wonjongkam                295   13  282
  3 Flyweight            Vic Darchinyan                       267   11  255
  4 Flyweight            Kenshiro Teraji                      236    8  228
  5 Flyweight            Fidel LaBarba                        205   25  180
  6 Flyweight            Mark Johnson                         180    7  172
  7 Flyweight            Tancy Lee                            180   31  149
  8 Flyweight            Masao Oba                            173   11  162
  9 Flyweight            Pancho Villa                         168   17  150
 10 Flyweight            Omar Andres Narvaez                  166    5  160
 11 Flyweight            Efren Torres                         159   10  149
 12 Flyweight            Betulio Gonzalez                     158   13  145
 13 Flyweight            Hiroyuki Ebihara                     129   12  117
 14 Flyweight            Yuri Arbachakov                      126   11  115
 15 Flyweight            Sid Smith                            125   22  102
 16 Flyweight            Digger Stanley                       119   63   56
 17 Flyweight            Mzukisi Sikali                       108    5  103
 18 Flyweight            Percy Jones                          101   11   90
 19 Flyweight            Sot Chitalada                        100    7   93
 20 Flyweight            Venice Borkhorsor                     98   10   88

  1 Super Flyweight      Khaosai Galaxy                       647   12  634
  2 Super Flyweight      Roman Gonzalez                       350   13  337
  3 Super Flyweight      Juan Francisco Estrada               206   12  194
  4 Super Flyweight      Kazuto Ioka                          198   10  188
  5 Super Flyweight      Moruti Mthalane                      159    4  154
  6 Super Flyweight      Johnny Tapia                         158    8  150
  7 Super Flyweight      Samson Dutch Boy Gym                 144    4  140
  8 Super Flyweight      Gilberto Roman                       144   12  131
  9 Super Flyweight      Sung Kil Moon                        141   14  127
 10 Super Flyweight      Masamori Tokuyama                    140    9  130
 11 Super Flyweight      Jesse Rodriguez                      119    4  114
 12 Super Flyweight      Donnie Nietes                        108    5  102
 13 Super Flyweight      Gerry Penalosa                       102    9   92
 14 Super Flyweight      Kosei Tanaka                         101    4   96
 15 Super Flyweight      Jiro Watanabe                         80    5   75
 16 Super Flyweight      Fernando Daniel Martinez              63    3   60
 17 Super Flyweight      Cristian Mijares                      62    7   54
 18 Super Flyweight      Alexander Munoz                       58    4   54
 19 Super Flyweight      Yota Sato                             57    5   52
 20 Super Flyweight      Julio Cesar Martinez                  46    2   44

  1 Bantamweight         Eder Jofre                           471   19  452
  2 Bantamweight         Ruben Olivares                       457   28  428
  3 Bantamweight         Nonito Donaire                       392   32  360
  4 Bantamweight         Junto Nakatani                       345    6  339
  5 Bantamweight         Shinsuke Yamanaka                    280    9  271
  6 Bantamweight         Carlos Zarate                        262   10  251
  7 Bantamweight         Kid Williams                         262   36  225
  8 Bantamweight         Panama Al Brown                      239   16  222
  9 Bantamweight         Veeraphol Sahaprom                   203    7  195
 10 Bantamweight         Fernando Montiel                     185   10  174
 11 Bantamweight         Rodolfo Martinez                     179   13  166
 12 Bantamweight         Joe Bowker                           168   63  104
 13 Bantamweight         Bud Taylor                           154   32  122
 14 Bantamweight         Manuel Ortiz                         150   14  136
 15 Bantamweight         Peter Kane                           149    6  142
 16 Bantamweight         Frankie Burns                        147   19  128
 17 Bantamweight         Jeff Chandler                        145   11  133
 18 Bantamweight         Bushy Graham                         143   19  124
 19 Bantamweight         Orlando Canizales                    142    5  137
 20 Bantamweight         Joe Young Fox                        134   21  113

  1 Super Bantamweight   Naoya Inoue                          773   18  755
  2 Super Bantamweight   Marco Antonio Barrera                482   46  436
  3 Super Bantamweight   Erik Morales                         463   35  428
  4 Super Bantamweight   Wilfredo Gomez                       430   33  396
  5 Super Bantamweight   Guillermo Rigondeaux                 199   15  183
  6 Super Bantamweight   Jeff Fenech                          192   14  177
  7 Super Bantamweight   Toshiaki Nishioka                    185   10  175
  8 Super Bantamweight   Celestino Caballero                  170   14  156
  9 Super Bantamweight   John Riel Casimero                   167    7  160
 10 Super Bantamweight   Luis Nery                            167    8  158
 11 Super Bantamweight   Prakorb Udomna                       157    7  149
 12 Super Bantamweight   Daniel Zaragoza                      149   12  137
 13 Super Bantamweight   Carl Frampton                        138   13  124
 14 Super Bantamweight   Wilfredo Vazquez                     127   12  115
 15 Super Bantamweight   Vuyani Bungu                         122    8  113
 16 Super Bantamweight   Oscar Larios                         111   10  101
 17 Super Bantamweight   Jaime Garza                          102    5   97
 18 Super Bantamweight   Kennedy McKinney                      86    7   79
 19 Super Bantamweight   Zolani Tete                           75    3   72
 20 Super Bantamweight   Daniel Roman                          74    3   71

  1 Featherweight        Juan Manuel Marquez                  582   32  549
  2 Featherweight        Johnny Kilbane                       554   59  494
  3 Featherweight        Willie Pep                           536   66  470
  4 Featherweight        Louis 'Kid' Kaplan                   501   30  471
  5 Featherweight        Vicente Saldivar                     438   67  370
  6 Featherweight        Naseem Hamed                         436   13  423
  7 Featherweight        Jim Driscoll                         386   83  302
  8 Featherweight        Sandy Saddler                        381   37  343
  9 Featherweight        Terry McGovern                       368  258  109
 10 Featherweight        Jose Girones                         366    8  357
 11 Featherweight        Freddie Miller                       351   54  297
 12 Featherweight        Salvador Sanchez                     338   57  281
 13 Featherweight        Davey Moore                          333   29  304
 14 Featherweight        Chris John                           332   26  306
 15 Featherweight        Eusebio Pedroza                      297   21  275
 16 Featherweight        Howard Winstone                      290   14  275
 17 Featherweight        Sugar Ramos                          269   35  234
 18 Featherweight        Danny Lopez                          258   18  239
 19 Featherweight        Ernesto Marcel                       254   40  214
 20 Featherweight        Nel Tarleton                         250   35  214

  1 Super Featherweight  Alexis Arguello                      792   67  724
  2 Super Featherweight  Genaro Hernandez                     396   11  385
  3 Super Featherweight  Azumah Nelson                        391   18  372
  4 Super Featherweight  Brian Mitchell                       338   15  322
  5 Super Featherweight  Takashi Uchiyama                     324    8  315
  6 Super Featherweight  Emanuel Navarrete                    300    9  290
  7 Super Featherweight  Rocky Lockridge                      281   22  259
  8 Super Featherweight  Leo Santa Cruz                       274   10  264
  9 Super Featherweight  John John Molina                     265   16  248
 10 Super Featherweight  Samuel Serrano                       255   21  234
 11 Super Featherweight  Nkosana Mgxaji                       249   14  234
 12 Super Featherweight  Bobby Chacon                         226   18  208
 13 Super Featherweight  Jhonny Gonzalez                      224   14  210
 14 Super Featherweight  Oscar Valdez                         221    7  214
 15 Super Featherweight  Flash Elorde                         204   21  183
 16 Super Featherweight  Joan Guzman                          190   10  180
 17 Super Featherweight  Acelino Freitas                      186   18  168
 18 Super Featherweight  Tony Lopez                           165   20  144
 19 Super Featherweight  Roger Mayweather                     164   17  146
 20 Super Featherweight  Ben Villaflor                        135    9  125

  1 Lightweight          Benny Leonard                        922  168  753
  2 Lightweight          Roberto Duran                        811   87  723
  3 Lightweight          Carlos Ortiz                         667  104  563
  4 Lightweight          Tony Canzoneri                       598  111  486
  5 Lightweight          Lew Tendler                          578   72  505
  6 Lightweight          Gervonta Davis                       563   23  539
  7 Lightweight          Freddie Welsh                        553  120  432
  8 Lightweight          Ike Williams                         538   99  438
  9 Lightweight          Ismael Laguna                        532   55  477
 10 Lightweight          Rocky Kansas                         512   87  425
 11 Lightweight          Packey McFarland                     491  113  377
 12 Lightweight          Sammy Mandell                        458   88  370
 13 Lightweight          Hector Camacho                       426   31  394
 14 Lightweight          Lou Ambers                           406   92  314
 15 Lightweight          Jack 'Kid' Berg                      405   73  332
 16 Lightweight          Vasyl Lomachenko                     389   16  372
 17 Lightweight          Johnny Dundee                        377   66  310
 18 Lightweight          Dave Charnley                        376   35  341
 19 Lightweight          Mikey Garcia                         353   11  341
 20 Lightweight          Art Aragon                           335   31  303

  1 Light Welterweight   Julio Cesar Chavez                   894   56  837
  2 Light Welterweight   Duilio Loi                           726   87  639
  3 Light Welterweight   Kostya Tszyu                         614   27  586
  4 Light Welterweight   Bruno Arcari                         605   22  582
  5 Light Welterweight   Antonio Cervantes                    577   54  523
  6 Light Welterweight   Nicolino Locche                      512   71  441
  7 Light Welterweight   Ricky Hatton                         446   26  419
  8 Light Welterweight   Juan Martin Coggi                    356   18  338
  9 Light Welterweight   Eddie Perkins                        346   37  309
 10 Light Welterweight   Carlos Hernandez                     327   47  279
 11 Light Welterweight   Aaron Pryor                          313   47  266
 12 Light Welterweight   Devin Haney                          245   20  225
 13 Light Welterweight   Timothy Bradley Jr                   241   29  211
 14 Light Welterweight   Teofimo Lopez                        221   24  197
 15 Light Welterweight   Zab Judah                            197   12  185
 16 Light Welterweight   Carlos Maria Gimenez                 189   15  174
 17 Light Welterweight   Amir Khan                            188   17  170
 18 Light Welterweight   Sharmba Mitchell                     181    8  173
 19 Light Welterweight   Subriel Matias                       179    5  173
 20 Light Welterweight   Patrizio Oliva                       178   12  166

  1 Welterweight         Floyd Mayweather Jr                 1037  145  892
  2 Welterweight         Jimmy McLarnin                       994  238  756
  3 Welterweight         Jose Napoles                         885   81  803
  4 Welterweight         Henry Armstrong                      884  213  670
  5 Welterweight         Young Corbett III                    849  256  593
  6 Welterweight         Manny Pacquiao                       770  102  667
  7 Welterweight         Oscar De La Hoya                     765   65  699
  8 Welterweight         Felix Trinidad                       763   90  672
  9 Welterweight         Luis Rodriguez                       742   55  686
 10 Welterweight         Ray Leonard                          689  142  546
 11 Welterweight         Barney Ross                          660  178  481
 12 Welterweight         Jack Carroll                         622   34  587
 13 Welterweight         Jack Britton                         603   96  507
 14 Welterweight         Pernell Whitaker                     599   38  560
 15 Welterweight         Ted Kid Lewis                        583  138  445
 16 Welterweight         Jackie Fields                        568  109  458
 17 Welterweight         Freddie Dawson                       554   45  508
 18 Welterweight         Dave Shade                           471   73  397
 19 Welterweight         Miguel Cotto                         436   21  414
 20 Welterweight         Errol Spence Jr                      417   22  395

  1 Light Middleweight   Terence Crawford                     832   32  800
  2 Light Middleweight   Thomas Hearns                        655   41  613
  3 Light Middleweight   Mike McCallum                        652   58  594
  4 Light Middleweight   Sandro Mazzinghi                     399   25  373
  5 Light Middleweight   Terry Norris                         369   19  349
  6 Light Middleweight   Ayub Kalule                          326   24  302
  7 Light Middleweight   Ronald Wright                        306   27  279
  8 Light Middleweight   Jermell Charlo                       292    9  282
  9 Light Middleweight   Wilfred Benitez                      276   42  233
 10 Light Middleweight   Julian Jackson                       270   18  252
 11 Light Middleweight   Ralph Dupas                          253   42  210
 12 Light Middleweight   Rocky Mattioli                       250   13  236
 13 Light Middleweight   Carlo Duran                          218   20  197
 14 Light Middleweight   Freddie Little                       217   16  200
 15 Light Middleweight   Gianfranco Rosi                      203   15  187
 16 Light Middleweight   John David Jackson                   192    9  183
 17 Light Middleweight   Louis Acaries                        180   11  168
 18 Light Middleweight   Danny Garcia                         175   16  159
 19 Light Middleweight   Maurice Hope                         156   19  136
 20 Light Middleweight   Gregory Clark                        144    8  136

  1 Middleweight         Ray Robinson                        1140  305  834
  2 Middleweight         Harry Greb                          1042  408  633
  3 Middleweight         Marvin Hagler                        955  124  831
  4 Middleweight         Carlos Monzon                        951  159  791
  5 Middleweight         Gustav Scholz                        830  216  613
  6 Middleweight         Mike Gibbons                         803  113  690
  7 Middleweight         Bernard Hopkins                      797   55  742
  8 Middleweight         Gennadiy Golovkin                    742   25  716
  9 Middleweight         Marcel Cerdan                        670   26  644
 10 Middleweight         Randolph Turpin                      666  243  423
 11 Middleweight         Charles Humez                        658  248  410
 12 Middleweight         Charley Burley                       632   99  533
 13 Middleweight         Holman Williams                      553  119  433
 14 Middleweight         Marcel Thil                          537   74  463
 15 Middleweight         Mickey Walker                        521  107  414
 16 Middleweight         Bobo Olson                           511   66  445
 17 Middleweight         Freddie Steele                       495   27  467
 18 Middleweight         Jeff Smith                           458   71  386
 19 Middleweight         Nino Benvenuti                       456   68  388
 20 Middleweight         Emile Griffith                       452   85  366

  1 Super Middleweight   Saul Alvarez                         870   87  782
  2 Super Middleweight   Joe Calzaghe                         753   72  681
  3 Super Middleweight   Andre Ward                           625   72  552
  4 Super Middleweight   Carl Froch                           515   33  482
  5 Super Middleweight   Mikkel Kessler                       471   28  442
  6 Super Middleweight   Demetrius Andrade                    273    7  265
  7 Super Middleweight   Steve Collins                        244   13  231
  8 Super Middleweight   Lucian Bute                          233    9  224
  9 Super Middleweight   Jaime Munguia                        230    8  222
 10 Super Middleweight   Arthur Abraham                       217   11  205
 11 Super Middleweight   Sven Ottke                           190   16  174
 12 Super Middleweight   Nigel Benn                           178    8  169
 13 Super Middleweight   George Groves                        163   13  150
 14 Super Middleweight   Daniel Jacobs                        140    7  132
 15 Super Middleweight   Felix Sturm                          137    7  130
 16 Super Middleweight   Juergen Braehmer                     136    4  131
 17 Super Middleweight   Billy Joe Saunders                   134   10  123
 18 Super Middleweight   Chris Eubank                         134   16  117
 19 Super Middleweight   Peter Quillin                        117    5  111
 20 Super Middleweight   Vinny Pazienza                       110    9  101

  1 Light Heavyweight    Tommy Gibbons                        829  230  599
  2 Light Heavyweight    Roy Jones Jr                         824   44  780
  3 Light Heavyweight    Archie Moore                         648   87  561
  4 Light Heavyweight    Artur Beterbiev                      511   43  467
  5 Light Heavyweight    Michael Spinks                       445   39  406
  6 Light Heavyweight    Jack Dillon                          417   46  370
  7 Light Heavyweight    Dmitrii Bivol                        416   55  361
  8 Light Heavyweight    Dariusz Michalczewski                390    9  381
  9 Light Heavyweight    Tommy Loughran                       376   78  298
 10 Light Heavyweight    Len Harvey                           352   26  325
 11 Light Heavyweight    Virgil Hill                          352   16  335
 12 Light Heavyweight    Jimmy Bivins                         351   83  268
 13 Light Heavyweight    Billy Conn                           351   65  285
 14 Light Heavyweight    David Benavidez                      345    9  335
 15 Light Heavyweight    Harold Johnson                       309   58  251
 16 Light Heavyweight    Bob Foster                           302   17  284
 17 Light Heavyweight    Mauro Mina                           269   18  251
 18 Light Heavyweight    Jose Torres                          250   20  229
 19 Light Heavyweight    Joey Maxim                           245   43  202
 20 Light Heavyweight    Harry Matthews                       233   13  220

  1 Cruiserweight        Gilberto Ramirez                     286   11  274
  2 Cruiserweight        Sergey Kovalev                       270    9  261
  3 Cruiserweight        Johnny Nelson                        187    5  181
  4 Cruiserweight        David Haye                           161    7  153
  5 Cruiserweight        Juan Carlos Gomez                    140    5  134
  6 Cruiserweight        Denis Lebedev                        129    3  125
  7 Cruiserweight        Grigory Drozd                        124    3  120
  8 Cruiserweight        Mairis Briedis                       118    4  113
  9 Cruiserweight        Tony Bellew                          107    7  100
 10 Cruiserweight        Orlin Norris                          80    5   74
 11 Cruiserweight        Tomasz Adamek                         74    7   66
 12 Cruiserweight        Danny Green                           66    4   62
 13 Cruiserweight        Jean Pascal                           64    6   58
 14 Cruiserweight        Chris Billam-Smith                    60    5   54
 15 Cruiserweight        Jean Marc Mormeck                     58    5   53
 16 Cruiserweight        Julio Cesar Chavez Jr                 58    6   52
 17 Cruiserweight        Carl Thompson                         58    5   52
 18 Cruiserweight        Krzysztof Wlodarczyk                  56    5   50
 19 Cruiserweight        Carlos De Leon                        52    4   48
 20 Cruiserweight        Jai Opetaia                           52    2   49

  1 Heavyweight          Joe Louis                            914  119  795
  2 Heavyweight          Muhammad Ali                         901   79  822
  3 Heavyweight          Gene Tunney                          865  231  633
  4 Heavyweight          Lennox Lewis                         744   39  705
  5 Heavyweight          Ezzard Charles                       660  148  511
  6 Heavyweight          Wladimir Klitschko                   633   28  605
  7 Heavyweight          Rocky Marciano                       607  109  498
  8 Heavyweight          Floyd Patterson                      605   83  521
  9 Heavyweight          Vitali Klitschko                     578   10  567
 10 Heavyweight          Larry Holmes                         551   23  527
 11 Heavyweight          Jack Dempsey                         497   96  400
 12 Heavyweight          Sonny Liston                         487   36  451
 13 Heavyweight          Evander Holyfield                    482   31  451
 14 Heavyweight          Sam Langford                         473  128  344
 15 Heavyweight          Joe Jennette                         430   52  378
 16 Heavyweight          Oleksandr Usyk                       406   29  376
 17 Heavyweight          Harry Wills                          373   42  331
 18 Heavyweight          Joe Frazier                          366   51  314
 19 Heavyweight          Mike Tyson                           363   20  343
 20 Heavyweight          Young Stribling                      345   25  320

[JCS]

As expected... good and bad.

Wilde #32, a horrific placement.... getting him into the top few spots is critical IMO.

Pep down from #1 to #3. Unfortunate, not the end of the world... Guessing Marquez is getting assistance from things he did in other divisions. Kilbane at #2 is interesting though.

Greb up to #2 at 160 seems positive.

Tommy Gibbons taking the #1 spot at 175? That seems bizarre. Maybe worth a closer look.

[computerrank]

As expected... good and bad.

Wilde #32, a horrific placement.... getting him into the top few spots is critical IMO.

Pep down from #1 to #3. Unfortunate, not the end of the world... Guessing Marquez is getting assistance from things he did in other divisions. Kilbane at #2 is interesting though.

Greb up to #2 at 160 seems positive.

Tommy Gibbons taking the #1 spot at 175? That seems bizarre. Maybe worth a closer look.

Minimum rating again a it higher to 1.8 gives this:

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  1 Minimumweight        Ricardo Lopez                        436   10  426
  2 Minimumweight        Rosendo Alvarez                       41    3   38
  3 Minimumweight        Chana Porpaoin                        39    5   34
  4 Minimumweight        Kittipong Jaigrajang                  35    3   31
  5 Minimumweight        Thammanoon Niyomtrong                 32    1   30
  6 Minimumweight        Oscar Collazo                         27    1   25
  7 Minimumweight        Eagle Den Junlaphan                   23    2   21
  8 Minimumweight        Anucha Phothong                       20    1   18
  9 Minimumweight        Hideyuki Ohashi                       18    2   15
 10 Minimumweight        Chayaphon Moonsri                     17    1   16
 11 Minimumweight        Thongchai Utaida                      14    1   13
 12 Minimumweight        Ivan Calderon                         14    1   12
 13 Minimumweight        Yudai Shigeoka                        12    1   11
 14 Minimumweight        Melvin Jerusalem                      11    1    9
 15 Minimumweight        Vic Saludar                            5    0    4

  1 Light Flyweight      Myung Woo Yuh                        164    8  155
  2 Light Flyweight      Jorge Arce                           160    6  154
  3 Light Flyweight      Jung Koo Chang                       128   11  117
  4 Light Flyweight      Michael Carbajal                      90    8   81
  5 Light Flyweight      Humberto Gonzalez                     79    8   71
  6 Light Flyweight      Masamichi Yabuki                      50    5   45
  7 Light Flyweight      Hilario Zapata                        50   12   38
  8 Light Flyweight      Mauricio Pastrana                     42    5   36
  9 Light Flyweight      Vuyani Nene                           36    3   32
 10 Light Flyweight      Katsuo Tokashiki                      27    2   24
 11 Light Flyweight      Jacob Matlala                         26    3   22
 12 Light Flyweight      Ulises Solis                          22    2   20
 13 Light Flyweight      Hekkie Budler                         19    2   16
 14 Light Flyweight      Sivenathi Nontshinga                  15    2   13
 15 Light Flyweight      Panya Pradabsri                       15    1   13
 16 Light Flyweight      Carlos Canizales                      14    1   12
 17 Light Flyweight      Beibis Mendoza                        12    1   10
 18 Light Flyweight      Leo Gamez                             11    1   10
 19 Light Flyweight      Netrnoi Sor Vorasingh                  9    3    6
 20 Light Flyweight      Regie Suganob                          9    0    8

  1 Flyweight            Pongsaklek Wonjongkam                275   16  258
  2 Flyweight            Jimmy Wilde                          227   26  200
  3 Flyweight            Vic Darchinyan                       227   14  213
  4 Flyweight            Fidel LaBarba                        219   25  194
  5 Flyweight            Kenshiro Teraji                      208   10  197
  6 Flyweight            Pancho Villa                         174   19  155
  7 Flyweight            Tancy Lee                            146   29  116
  8 Flyweight            Omar Andres Narvaez                  140    5  134
  9 Flyweight            Yuri Arbachakov                      133   11  121
 10 Flyweight            Mark Johnson                         125    8  117
 11 Flyweight            Masao Oba                            114    8  106
 12 Flyweight            Venice Borkhorsor                    102   10   91
 13 Flyweight            Hiroyuki Ebihara                      99    9   90
 14 Flyweight            Efren Torres                          93    9   84
 15 Flyweight            Emile Pladner                         91   11   80
 16 Flyweight            Midget Wolgast                        90   14   75
 17 Flyweight            Santos Laciar                         89   12   77
 18 Flyweight            Jackie Paterson                       88   13   74
 19 Flyweight            Miguel Canto                          77   11   66
 20 Flyweight            Frankie Genaro                        76   17   59

  1 Super Flyweight      Khaosai Galaxy                       604   16  588
  2 Super Flyweight      Roman Gonzalez                       317   15  302
  3 Super Flyweight      Kazuto Ioka                          198   13  185
  4 Super Flyweight      Juan Francisco Estrada               190   14  175
  5 Super Flyweight      Gilberto Roman                       132   13  118
  6 Super Flyweight      Samson Dutch Boy Gym                 122    3  118
  7 Super Flyweight      Jesse Rodriguez                      120    5  114
  8 Super Flyweight      Masamori Tokuyama                    118   10  107
  9 Super Flyweight      Johnny Tapia                         114    8  106
 10 Super Flyweight      Sung Kil Moon                        108   15   93
 11 Super Flyweight      Moruti Mthalane                       96    4   92
 12 Super Flyweight      Kosei Tanaka                          93    6   87
 13 Super Flyweight      Gerry Penalosa                        85    9   76
 14 Super Flyweight      Donnie Nietes                         76    5   71
 15 Super Flyweight      Jiro Watanabe                         75    5   69
 16 Super Flyweight      Cristian Mijares                      62    7   54
 17 Super Flyweight      Fernando Daniel Martinez              61    4   57
 18 Super Flyweight      Alexander Munoz                       57    4   53
 19 Super Flyweight      Yota Sato                             56    5   51
 20 Super Flyweight      Julio Cesar Martinez                  38    2   36

  1 Bantamweight         Ruben Olivares                       475   32  443
  2 Bantamweight         Nonito Donaire                       398   36  362
  3 Bantamweight         Junto Nakatani                       350    8  342
  4 Bantamweight         Eder Jofre                           336   21  315
  5 Bantamweight         Shinsuke Yamanaka                    303   12  291
  6 Bantamweight         Carlos Zarate                        266   10  255
  7 Bantamweight         Panama Al Brown                      235   17  217
  8 Bantamweight         Jeff Chandler                        150   14  136
  9 Bantamweight         Bud Taylor                           149   34  115
 10 Bantamweight         Hozumi Hasegawa                      140   10  129
 11 Bantamweight         Manuel Ortiz                         139   15  123
 12 Bantamweight         Veeraphol Sahaprom                   134    7  126
 13 Bantamweight         Fernando Montiel                     131   11  120
 14 Bantamweight         Peter Kane                           131    7  123
 15 Bantamweight         Kid Williams                         130   38   92
 16 Bantamweight         Rafael Marquez                       119   10  109
 17 Bantamweight         Rodolfo Martinez                     116   11  105
 18 Bantamweight         Chucho Castillo                      115   15   99
 19 Bantamweight         Bushy Graham                         113   20   93
 20 Bantamweight         Fighting Harada                      113   17   95

  1 Super Bantamweight   Naoya Inoue                          743   21  722
  2 Super Bantamweight   Marco Antonio Barrera                500   50  450
  3 Super Bantamweight   Erik Morales                         452   38  414
  4 Super Bantamweight   Wilfredo Gomez                       386   39  346
  5 Super Bantamweight   Toshiaki Nishioka                    187   11  176
  6 Super Bantamweight   Celestino Caballero                  184   17  167
  7 Super Bantamweight   Jeff Fenech                          180   16  164
  8 Super Bantamweight   John Riel Casimero                   174    9  164
  9 Super Bantamweight   Luis Nery                            170    9  160
 10 Super Bantamweight   Guillermo Rigondeaux                 168   17  150
 11 Super Bantamweight   Wilfredo Vazquez                     126   13  112
 12 Super Bantamweight   Carl Frampton                        119   14  105
 13 Super Bantamweight   Daniel Zaragoza                      118   14  103
 14 Super Bantamweight   Vuyani Bungu                         110    8  102
 15 Super Bantamweight   Oscar Larios                         102   11   91
 16 Super Bantamweight   Prakorb Udomna                        81    7   74
 17 Super Bantamweight   Kennedy McKinney                      79    6   72
 18 Super Bantamweight   Scott Quigg                           60    3   57
 19 Super Bantamweight   Murodjon Akhmadaliev                  60    4   55
 20 Super Bantamweight   Sergio Victor Palma                   53    7   45

  1 Featherweight        Juan Manuel Marquez                  592   35  556
  2 Featherweight        Willie Pep                           560   67  493
  3 Featherweight        Louis 'Kid' Kaplan                   522   32  489
  4 Featherweight        Naseem Hamed                         408   16  392
  5 Featherweight        Vicente Saldivar                     408   69  338
  6 Featherweight        Sandy Saddler                        400   38  361
  7 Featherweight        Freddie Miller                       360   55  304
  8 Featherweight        Davey Moore                          339   30  308
  9 Featherweight        Jose Girones                         327    8  318
 10 Featherweight        Chris John                           324   28  295
 11 Featherweight        Johnny Kilbane                       313   65  248
 12 Featherweight        Terry McGovern                       309  270   39
 13 Featherweight        Ernesto Marcel                       282   39  242
 14 Featherweight        Howard Winstone                      281   16  264
 15 Featherweight        Eusebio Pedroza                      278   24  253
 16 Featherweight        Salvador Sanchez                     255   56  199
 17 Featherweight        Nel Tarleton                         251   37  214
 18 Featherweight        Sugar Ramos                          248   36  211
 19 Featherweight        Ray Famechon                         243   18  225
 20 Featherweight        Kid Chocolate                        229   35  194

  1 Super Featherweight  Alexis Arguello                      769   73  695
  2 Super Featherweight  Azumah Nelson                        424   22  401
  3 Super Featherweight  Emanuel Navarrete                    287   11  275
  4 Super Featherweight  John John Molina                     280   19  260
  5 Super Featherweight  Genaro Hernandez                     270   14  256
  6 Super Featherweight  Takashi Uchiyama                     261   10  251
  7 Super Featherweight  Leo Santa Cruz                       257   11  245
  8 Super Featherweight  Rocky Lockridge                      255   24  230
  9 Super Featherweight  Brian Mitchell                       237   16  220
 10 Super Featherweight  Bobby Chacon                         233   18  215
 11 Super Featherweight  Acelino Freitas                      216   20  196
 12 Super Featherweight  Nkosana Mgxaji                       214   17  196
 13 Super Featherweight  Flash Elorde                         200   23  177
 14 Super Featherweight  Jhonny Gonzalez                      199   16  183
 15 Super Featherweight  Samuel Serrano                       178   19  158
 16 Super Featherweight  Oscar Valdez                         176   10  166
 17 Super Featherweight  Roger Mayweather                     168   22  145
 18 Super Featherweight  Tony Lopez                           154   22  132
 19 Super Featherweight  Joan Guzman                          144   11  132
 20 Super Featherweight  Arturo Gatti                         127   10  117

  1 Lightweight          Roberto Duran                        838   95  743
  2 Lightweight          Benny Leonard                        795  183  612
  3 Lightweight          Carlos Ortiz                         689  115  573
  4 Lightweight          Tony Canzoneri                       616  118  497
  5 Lightweight          Gervonta Davis                       566   26  539
  6 Lightweight          Ismael Laguna                        563   58  505
  7 Lightweight          Ike Williams                         526   99  427
  8 Lightweight          Lew Tendler                          501   77  424
  9 Lightweight          Sammy Mandell                        452   93  358
 10 Lightweight          Rocky Kansas                         436   94  342
 11 Lightweight          Jack 'Kid' Berg                      435   73  361
 12 Lightweight          Lou Ambers                           423   93  330
 13 Lightweight          Mikey Garcia                         374   13  360
 14 Lightweight          Dave Charnley                        373   38  334
 15 Lightweight          Vasyl Lomachenko                     373   19  354
 16 Lightweight          Hector Camacho                       359   35  323
 17 Lightweight          Joe Brown                            340   57  282
 18 Lightweight          Art Aragon                           336   33  303
 19 Lightweight          Sammy Angott                         320   67  252
 20 Lightweight          Pedro Montanez                       319   36  283

  1 Light Welterweight   Julio Cesar Chavez                   904   63  840
  2 Light Welterweight   Duilio Loi                           693   89  604
  3 Light Welterweight   Kostya Tszyu                         625   31  593
  4 Light Welterweight   Bruno Arcari                         607   27  580
  5 Light Welterweight   Antonio Cervantes                    561   60  500
  6 Light Welterweight   Nicolino Locche                      551   82  468
  7 Light Welterweight   Ricky Hatton                         479   32  446
  8 Light Welterweight   Eddie Perkins                        370   41  328
  9 Light Welterweight   Juan Martin Coggi                    312   22  290
 10 Light Welterweight   Carlos Hernandez                     297   49  247
 11 Light Welterweight   Aaron Pryor                          288   48  239
 12 Light Welterweight   Timothy Bradley Jr                   255   33  221
 13 Light Welterweight   Devin Haney                          220   22  198
 14 Light Welterweight   Teofimo Lopez                        210   30  180
 15 Light Welterweight   Zab Judah                            186   15  171
 16 Light Welterweight   Carlos Maria Gimenez                 170   13  157
 17 Light Welterweight   Subriel Matias                       162    6  156
 18 Light Welterweight   Tippy Larkin                         152   16  136
 19 Light Welterweight   Amir Khan                            150   20  129
 20 Light Welterweight   Jose Carlos Ramirez                  147   10  137

  1 Welterweight         Floyd Mayweather Jr                 1038  146  892
  2 Welterweight         Jimmy McLarnin                       981  225  756
  3 Welterweight         Henry Armstrong                      874  210  664
  4 Welterweight         Young Corbett III                    858  256  601
  5 Welterweight         Jose Napoles                         843   86  757
  6 Welterweight         Oscar De La Hoya                     776   75  700
  7 Welterweight         Manny Pacquiao                       774  107  666
  8 Welterweight         Luis Rodriguez                       746   58  687
  9 Welterweight         Felix Trinidad                       709   93  615
 10 Welterweight         Jack Carroll                         646   35  610
 11 Welterweight         Barney Ross                          644  178  465
 12 Welterweight         Pernell Whitaker                     618   43  574
 13 Welterweight         Jackie Fields                        604  111  492
 14 Welterweight         Freddie Dawson                       562   47  515
 15 Welterweight         Ray Leonard                          517  150  367
 16 Welterweight         Dave Shade                           504   77  427
 17 Welterweight         Ted Kid Lewis                        495  139  355
 18 Welterweight         Jack Britton                         491  102  389
 19 Welterweight         Miguel Cotto                         449   25  424
 20 Welterweight         Shane Mosley                         431   46  384

  1 Light Middleweight   Terence Crawford                     835   35  800
  2 Light Middleweight   Thomas Hearns                        634   47  586
  3 Light Middleweight   Mike McCallum                        613   65  547
  4 Light Middleweight   Terry Norris                         380   23  356
  5 Light Middleweight   Sandro Mazzinghi                     379   28  350
  6 Light Middleweight   Wilfred Benitez                      303   48  255
  7 Light Middleweight   Jermell Charlo                       301   12  289
  8 Light Middleweight   Ralph Dupas                          275   44  230
  9 Light Middleweight   Ronald Wright                        263   29  233
 10 Light Middleweight   Julian Jackson                       227   18  209
 11 Light Middleweight   Ayub Kalule                          226   28  197
 12 Light Middleweight   Freddie Little                       211   16  194
 13 Light Middleweight   Rocky Mattioli                       190   13  176
 14 Light Middleweight   Danny Garcia                         181   19  162
 15 Light Middleweight   Gianfranco Rosi                      174   18  155
 16 Light Middleweight   Carlo Duran                          171   20  150
 17 Light Middleweight   Maurice Hope                         165   21  143
 18 Light Middleweight   Louis Acaries                        133    9  123
 19 Light Middleweight   Denny Moyer                          124   23  100
 20 Light Middleweight   Verno Phillips                       122    9  112

  1 Middleweight         Ray Robinson                        1140  305  835
  2 Middleweight         Harry Greb                          1020  419  601
  3 Middleweight         Marvin Hagler                        963  131  831
  4 Middleweight         Carlos Monzon                        913  162  750
  5 Middleweight         Bernard Hopkins                      779   62  717
  6 Middleweight         Gustav Scholz                        775  218  557
  7 Middleweight         Gennadiy Golovkin                    744   28  716
  8 Middleweight         Randolph Turpin                      702  244  458
  9 Middleweight         Charles Humez                        661  248  413
 10 Middleweight         Charley Burley                       631  105  525
 11 Middleweight         Marcel Cerdan                        620   28  592
 12 Middleweight         Holman Williams                      569  123  445
 13 Middleweight         Mike Gibbons                         566  112  453
 14 Middleweight         Bobo Olson                           544   67  476
 15 Middleweight         Marcel Thil                          541   77  464
 16 Middleweight         Mickey Walker                        533  116  417
 17 Middleweight         Freddie Steele                       492   28  464
 18 Middleweight         Dick Tiger                           484   65  418
 19 Middleweight         Emile Griffith                       463   89  373
 20 Middleweight         Nino Benvenuti                       458   72  386

  1 Super Middleweight   Saul Alvarez                         873   90  782
  2 Super Middleweight   Joe Calzaghe                         762   75  687
  3 Super Middleweight   Andre Ward                           569   80  488
  4 Super Middleweight   Carl Froch                           519   38  481
  5 Super Middleweight   Mikkel Kessler                       343   31  311
  6 Super Middleweight   Steve Collins                        245   12  233
  7 Super Middleweight   Demetrius Andrade                    224    9  214
  8 Super Middleweight   Jaime Munguia                        224   10  213
  9 Super Middleweight   Arthur Abraham                       223   14  208
 10 Super Middleweight   Sven Ottke                           204   20  183
 11 Super Middleweight   Lucian Bute                          184   11  173
 12 Super Middleweight   Billy Joe Saunders                   130   13  116
 13 Super Middleweight   Chris Eubank                         119   18  100
 14 Super Middleweight   Daniel Jacobs                        115    8  106
 15 Super Middleweight   Nigel Benn                           113    7  105
 16 Super Middleweight   Peter Quillin                        111    6  104
 17 Super Middleweight   George Groves                        107   13   94
 18 Super Middleweight   Felix Sturm                          105    8   96
 19 Super Middleweight   Vinny Pazienza                        98    8   89
 20 Super Middleweight   Lindell Holmes                        92    9   83

  1 Light Heavyweight    Roy Jones Jr                         836   50  786
  2 Light Heavyweight    Archie Moore                         732   95  636
  3 Light Heavyweight    Tommy Gibbons                        627  233  394
  4 Light Heavyweight    Artur Beterbiev                      436   45  391
  5 Light Heavyweight    Michael Spinks                       429   40  388
  6 Light Heavyweight    Tommy Loughran                       396   81  314
  7 Light Heavyweight    Dmitrii Bivol                        380   57  323
  8 Light Heavyweight    Jimmy Bivins                         356   84  271
  9 Light Heavyweight    Billy Conn                           348   64  283
 10 Light Heavyweight    Dariusz Michalczewski                344   11  332
 11 Light Heavyweight    Len Harvey                           338   27  311
 12 Light Heavyweight    Bob Fitzsimmons                      336  328    7
 13 Light Heavyweight    Harold Johnson                       331   62  269
 14 Light Heavyweight    David Benavidez                      300   10  290
 15 Light Heavyweight    Virgil Hill                          278   19  258
 16 Light Heavyweight    Joey Maxim                           274   46  228
 17 Light Heavyweight    Jack Delaney                         266   55  211
 18 Light Heavyweight    Victor Galindez                      258   29  228
 19 Light Heavyweight    John Henry Lewis                     244   52  192
 20 Light Heavyweight    Matthew Saad Muhammad                230   27  202

  1 Cruiserweight        Gilberto Ramirez                     265   13  251
  2 Cruiserweight        Sergey Kovalev                       241   11  230
  3 Cruiserweight        David Haye                           151    8  143
  4 Cruiserweight        Juan Carlos Gomez                    146    5  141
  5 Cruiserweight        Denis Lebedev                        113    3  109
  6 Cruiserweight        Tony Bellew                          108    7  100
  7 Cruiserweight        Mairis Briedis                        93    4   89
  8 Cruiserweight        Tomasz Adamek                         82    7   75
  9 Cruiserweight        Jean Pascal                           69    7   61
 10 Cruiserweight        Grigory Drozd                         68    3   64
 11 Cruiserweight        Johnny Nelson                         64    3   61
 12 Cruiserweight        Jean Marc Mormeck                     64    6   58
 13 Cruiserweight        Danny Green                           61    4   57
 14 Cruiserweight        Orlin Norris                          57    4   52
 15 Cruiserweight        Jai Opetaia                           55    3   52
 16 Cruiserweight        Chris Billam-Smith                    53    5   47
 17 Cruiserweight        Julio Cesar Chavez Jr                 50    6   43
 18 Cruiserweight        Krzysztof Wlodarczyk                  41    5   35
 19 Cruiserweight        Ilunga Junior Makabu                  35    4   30
 20 Cruiserweight        Yoan Pablo Hernandez                  32    3   28

  1 Heavyweight          Joe Louis                            912  117  795
  2 Heavyweight          Muhammad Ali                         906   83  822
  3 Heavyweight          Gene Tunney                          891  292  598
  4 Heavyweight          Lennox Lewis                         749   44  705
  5 Heavyweight          Ezzard Charles                       666  148  518
  6 Heavyweight          Wladimir Klitschko                   650   31  618
  7 Heavyweight          Floyd Patterson                      612   85  527
  8 Heavyweight          Vitali Klitschko                     585   13  571
  9 Heavyweight          Rocky Marciano                       572  110  462
 10 Heavyweight          Evander Holyfield                    515   36  478
 11 Heavyweight          Larry Holmes                         497   30  467
 12 Heavyweight          Sonny Liston                         440   38  402
 13 Heavyweight          Jack Dempsey                         437  103  334
 14 Heavyweight          Joe Frazier                          367   53  314
 15 Heavyweight          Oleksandr Usyk                       359   32  327
 16 Heavyweight          Jersey Joe Walcott                   348   50  297
 17 Heavyweight          Young Stribling                      347   27  319
 18 Heavyweight          George Foreman                       340   34  305
 19 Heavyweight          Ingemar Johansson                    320   32  287
 20 Heavyweight          Max Schmeling                        317   34  282

[JCS]

Is part of the issue that the actual rankings are not valued enough?

Surely a guy who got #1 in a division a handful of times or more, should be at or near the top... simply by that fact. No?

[computerrank]

Is part of the issue that the actual rankings are not valued enough?

Surely a guy who got #1 in a division a handful of times or more, should be at or near the top... simply by that fact. No?

I guess it is much more complicated - sometimes more from one perspective looking at one boxer, sometimes looking from a completely other perspective at another boxer - and sometime looking at a boxer from those perspectives and rejecting him in spite of complying - or most likely not solvable:
- I based all time ratings on top ranks in division and top defeated opponents in division - rejected
- I based all time ratings on top ranks in p4p and top defeated opponents in p4p - rejected
- I based all time ratings on career top ratings and top defeated opponents - rejected
- I based all time ratings on mixes of all of that - rejected

[JCS]

For the fight-specific points in all-time ratings... are you able to limit those points to the division that the boxer is currently assigned? Even partially? Even if you have to include bouts which there is no division set?

[computerrank]

For the fight-specific points in all-time ratings... are you able to limit those points to the division that the boxer is currently assigned? Even partially? Even if you have to include bouts which there is no division set?

The bouts outside of the boxer's division - in higher and lower divisions . are depreciated already.

[JCS]

Yes, I think itd be impossible to please everyone.

I think the most important part is to ensure the ironclad #1s are ranked first.. arguable #1s are ranked first or close... and there are no fighters ranked #1 that have no business being close to that... Then move on from there.

[computerrank]

Yes, I think itd be impossible to please everyone.

I think the most important part is to ensure the ironclad #1s are ranked first.. arguable #1s are ranked first or close... and there are no fighters ranked #1 that have no business being close to that... Then move on from there.

stronger on #1:

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  1 Minimumweight        Ricardo Lopez                        481   91  390
  2 Minimumweight        Rosendo Alvarez                       71   33   37
  3 Minimumweight        Kittipong Jaigrajang                  63   35   27
  4 Minimumweight        Chana Porpaoin                        59   33   25
  5 Minimumweight        Thammanoon Niyomtrong                 49   18   31
  6 Minimumweight        Oscar Collazo                         42   15   26
  7 Minimumweight        Hideyuki Ohashi                       40   24   16
  8 Minimumweight        Eagle Den Junlaphan                   33   18   15
  9 Minimumweight        Thongchai Utaida                      31   17   13
 10 Minimumweight        Ivan Calderon                         31   17   13
 11 Minimumweight        Chayaphon Moonsri                     30   13   17
 12 Minimumweight        Melvin Jerusalem                      26   15   10
 13 Minimumweight        Yudai Shigeoka                        25   13   11

  1 Light Flyweight      Jung Koo Chang                       234  110  123
  2 Light Flyweight      Myung Woo Yuh                        217   65  151
  3 Light Flyweight      Jorge Arce                           176   58  118
  4 Light Flyweight      Michael Carbajal                     166   78   88
  5 Light Flyweight      Humberto Gonzalez                    149   76   73
  6 Light Flyweight      Hilario Zapata                       143  102   40
  7 Light Flyweight      Masamichi Yabuki                      93   45   47
  8 Light Flyweight      Mauricio Pastrana                     74   43   31
  9 Light Flyweight      Vuyani Nene                           72   38   34
 10 Light Flyweight      Jacob Matlala                         59   34   24
 11 Light Flyweight      Hekkie Budler                         42   24   17
 12 Light Flyweight      Sivenathi Nontshinga                  36   21   14
 13 Light Flyweight      Panya Pradabsri                       30   16   14
 14 Light Flyweight      Carlos Canizales                      30   16   13
 15 Light Flyweight      Daniel Matellon                       20   13    7
 16 Light Flyweight      Daniel Valladares                     15   10    5
 17 Light Flyweight      Thanongsak Simsri                     14   10    3

  1 Flyweight            Pongsaklek Wonjongkam                439  161  278
  2 Flyweight            Fidel LaBarba                        424  224  199
  3 Flyweight            Jimmy Wilde                          404  153  251
  4 Flyweight            Vic Darchinyan                       365  136  229
  5 Flyweight            Tancy Lee                            313  195  117
  6 Flyweight            Kenshiro Teraji                      275  102  172
  7 Flyweight            Pancho Villa                         253  140  113
  8 Flyweight            Yuri Arbachakov                      241  111  130
  9 Flyweight            Midget Wolgast                       216  139   76
 10 Flyweight            Newsboy Brown                        208  148   59
 11 Flyweight            Mark Johnson                         202   78  124
 12 Flyweight            Frankie Genaro                       197  143   54
 13 Flyweight            Santos Laciar                        187  103   83
 14 Flyweight            Jackie Paterson                      186  123   62
 15 Flyweight            Emile Pladner                        183  108   74
 16 Flyweight            Masao Oba                            180   66  113
 17 Flyweight            Omar Andres Narvaez                  177   49  127
 18 Flyweight            Horacio Accavallo                    174  118   55
 19 Flyweight            Digger Stanley                       157  105   52
 20 Flyweight            Betulio Gonzalez                     155   91   63

  1 Super Flyweight      Khaosai Galaxy                       794  158  636
  2 Super Flyweight      Roman Gonzalez                       461  144  316
  3 Super Flyweight      Kazuto Ioka                          326  132  194
  4 Super Flyweight      Juan Francisco Estrada               320  137  183
  5 Super Flyweight      Sung Kil Moon                        228  131   97
  6 Super Flyweight      Gilberto Roman                       211  110  100
  7 Super Flyweight      Masamori Tokuyama                    202   86  115
  8 Super Flyweight      Jesse Rodriguez                      178   58  120
  9 Super Flyweight      Johnny Tapia                         173   72  100
 10 Super Flyweight      Gerry Penalosa                       162   81   81
 11 Super Flyweight      Kosei Tanaka                         151   58   93
 12 Super Flyweight      Moruti Mthalane                      141   45   95
 13 Super Flyweight      Cristian Mijares                     134   76   57
 14 Super Flyweight      Jiro Watanabe                        126   51   74
 15 Super Flyweight      Samson Dutch Boy Gym                 109   24   85
 16 Super Flyweight      Donnie Nietes                        107   52   54
 17 Super Flyweight      Fernando Daniel Martinez              98   38   59
 18 Super Flyweight      Martin Castillo                       62   35   26
 19 Super Flyweight      Yota Sato                             61   32   28
 20 Super Flyweight      Pedro Guevara                         59   29   29

  1 Bantamweight         Ruben Olivares                       749  272  476
  2 Bantamweight         Nonito Donaire                       677  297  380
  3 Bantamweight         Eder Jofre                           521  185  335
  4 Bantamweight         Junto Nakatani                       448   81  367
  5 Bantamweight         Shinsuke Yamanaka                    409  113  296
  6 Bantamweight         Bud Taylor                           397  277  120
  7 Bantamweight         Kid Williams                         386  226  160
  8 Bantamweight         Panama Al Brown                      376  161  215
  9 Bantamweight         Carlos Zarate                        293   87  206
 10 Bantamweight         Joe Lynch                            281  182   99
 11 Bantamweight         Bushy Graham                         279  183   96
 12 Bantamweight         Manuel Ortiz                         275  147  127
 13 Bantamweight         Memphis Pal Moore                    268  208   60
 14 Bantamweight         Fighting Harada                      253  153   99
 15 Bantamweight         Chucho Castillo                      249  143  105
 16 Bantamweight         Hozumi Hasegawa                      242  105  137
 17 Bantamweight         Fernando Montiel                     233  106  126
 18 Bantamweight         Rodolfo Casanova                     232  165   66
 19 Bantamweight         Rafael Herrera                       232  151   81
 20 Bantamweight         Jeff Chandler                        216  111  104

  1 Super Bantamweight   Naoya Inoue                          932  195  736
  2 Super Bantamweight   Marco Antonio Barrera                771  311  459
  3 Super Bantamweight   Erik Morales                         684  284  399
  4 Super Bantamweight   Wilfredo Gomez                       562  270  291
  5 Super Bantamweight   Jeff Fenech                          331  143  188
  6 Super Bantamweight   Celestino Caballero                  328  153  174
  7 Super Bantamweight   John Riel Casimero                   269   90  178
  8 Super Bantamweight   Toshiaki Nishioka                    262   97  164
  9 Super Bantamweight   Luis Nery                            256   88  167
 10 Super Bantamweight   Guillermo Rigondeaux                 251  129  121
 11 Super Bantamweight   Carl Frampton                        230  118  111
 12 Super Bantamweight   Wilfredo Vazquez                     227  125  102
 13 Super Bantamweight   Daniel Zaragoza                      205  127   77
 14 Super Bantamweight   Oscar Larios                         199  101   97
 15 Super Bantamweight   Vuyani Bungu                         191   81  109
 16 Super Bantamweight   Kennedy McKinney                     133   56   76
 17 Super Bantamweight   Prakorb Udomna                       126   64   61
 18 Super Bantamweight   Murodjon Akhmadaliev                 106   48   57
 19 Super Bantamweight   Sergio Victor Palma                   98   65   32
 20 Super Bantamweight   Scott Quigg                           98   38   59

  1 Featherweight        Willie Pep                           943  458  485
  2 Featherweight        Juan Manuel Marquez                  875  261  613
  3 Featherweight        Johnny Kilbane                       812  421  390
  4 Featherweight        Louis 'Kid' Kaplan                   797  273  523
  5 Featherweight        Vicente Saldivar                     788  429  359
  6 Featherweight        Freddie Miller                       724  424  299
  7 Featherweight        Sandy Saddler                        639  256  383
  8 Featherweight        Davey Moore                          596  242  353
  9 Featherweight        Salvador Sanchez                     592  379  213
 10 Featherweight        Naseem Hamed                         584  159  425
 11 Featherweight        Nel Tarleton                         528  306  222
 12 Featherweight        Terry McGovern                       522  168  353
 13 Featherweight        Chris John                           510  192  318
 14 Featherweight        Ernesto Marcel                       487  229  257
 15 Featherweight        Kid Chocolate                        483  281  201
 16 Featherweight        Sugar Ramos                          480  277  202
 17 Featherweight        Eusebio Pedroza                      470  211  258
 18 Featherweight        Jim Driscoll                         443  142  300
 19 Featherweight        Howard Winstone                      439  158  280
 20 Featherweight        Percy Bassett                        407  235  171

  1 Super Featherweight  Alexis Arguello                     1259  507  752
  2 Super Featherweight  Azumah Nelson                        621  209  412
  3 Super Featherweight  John John Molina                     444  171  272
  4 Super Featherweight  Rocky Lockridge                      417  193  224
  5 Super Featherweight  Genaro Hernandez                     406  137  268
  6 Super Featherweight  Emanuel Navarrete                    399  108  291
  7 Super Featherweight  Flash Elorde                         398  212  185
  8 Super Featherweight  Bobby Chacon                         390  162  227
  9 Super Featherweight  Acelino Freitas                      375  167  208
 10 Super Featherweight  Leo Santa Cruz                       363  104  258
 11 Super Featherweight  Roger Mayweather                     358  206  152
 12 Super Featherweight  Samuel Serrano                       328  162  166
 13 Super Featherweight  Takashi Uchiyama                     326   94  231
 14 Super Featherweight  Tony Lopez                           318  180  137
 15 Super Featherweight  Jhonny Gonzalez                      306  141  164
 16 Super Featherweight  Nkosana Mgxaji                       293  130  162
 17 Super Featherweight  Oscar Valdez                         288  100  188
 18 Super Featherweight  Brian Mitchell                       275  124  151
 19 Super Featherweight  Joan Guzman                          244  104  140
 20 Super Featherweight  Arturo Gatti                         223   99  124

  1 Lightweight          Benny Leonard                       1551  776  775
  2 Lightweight          Roberto Duran                       1385  579  805
  3 Lightweight          Carlos Ortiz                        1228  620  608
  4 Lightweight          Tony Canzoneri                      1166  638  527
  5 Lightweight          Ike Williams                        1058  609  449
  6 Lightweight          Rocky Kansas                         965  530  435
  7 Lightweight          Lew Tendler                          962  439  523
  8 Lightweight          Sammy Mandell                        933  547  386
  9 Lightweight          Ismael Laguna                        908  395  513
 10 Lightweight          Lou Ambers                           858  509  348
 11 Lightweight          Packey McFarland                     834  342  491
 12 Lightweight          Freddie Welsh                        816  417  399
 13 Lightweight          Gervonta Davis                       814  229  585
 14 Lightweight          Jack 'Kid' Berg                      803  416  387
 15 Lightweight          Sammy Angott                         743  484  258
 16 Lightweight          Beau Jack                            705  465  239
 17 Lightweight          Joe Brown                            704  409  295
 18 Lightweight          Johnny Dundee                        692  447  244
 19 Lightweight          Dave Charnley                        652  299  353
 20 Lightweight          Hector Camacho                       622  281  340

  1 Light Welterweight   Julio Cesar Chavez                  1358  437  920
  2 Light Welterweight   Duilio Loi                          1154  505  649
  3 Light Welterweight   Nicolino Locche                     1013  517  495
  4 Light Welterweight   Antonio Cervantes                    979  440  538
  5 Light Welterweight   Kostya Tszyu                         925  281  644
  6 Light Welterweight   Bruno Arcari                         858  234  624
  7 Light Welterweight   Eddie Perkins                        681  324  357
  8 Light Welterweight   Carlos Hernandez                     626  365  260
  9 Light Welterweight   Ricky Hatton                         600  225  375
 10 Light Welterweight   Aaron Pryor                          529  272  257
 11 Light Welterweight   Timothy Bradley Jr                   511  280  231
 12 Light Welterweight   Juan Martin Coggi                    498  191  307
 13 Light Welterweight   Teofimo Lopez                        399  212  187
 14 Light Welterweight   Devin Haney                          379  170  208
 15 Light Welterweight   Amir Khan                            317  181  135
 16 Light Welterweight   Tippy Larkin                         290  144  145
 17 Light Welterweight   Zab Judah                            290  140  150
 18 Light Welterweight   Josh Taylor                          260  159  101
 19 Light Welterweight   Hector Thompson                      244  145   99
 20 Light Welterweight   Jose Carlos Ramirez                  240   98  142

  1 Welterweight         Jimmy McLarnin                      1741  913  827
  2 Welterweight         Floyd Mayweather Jr                 1727  746  981
  3 Welterweight         Henry Armstrong                     1559  839  719
  4 Welterweight         Jose Napoles                        1433  609  823
  5 Welterweight         Oscar De La Hoya                    1284  523  760
  6 Welterweight         Manny Pacquiao                      1250  546  703
  7 Welterweight         Young Corbett III                   1207  564  642
  8 Welterweight         Jackie Fields                       1177  648  528
  9 Welterweight         Ted Kid Lewis                       1172  700  472
 10 Welterweight         Luis Rodriguez                      1160  416  744
 11 Welterweight         Barney Ross                         1131  630  500
 12 Welterweight         Jack Britton                        1053  541  511
 13 Welterweight         Ray Leonard                         1052  658  393
 14 Welterweight         Dave Shade                           991  537  454
 15 Welterweight         Felix Trinidad                       970  391  578
 16 Welterweight         Pernell Whitaker                     962  340  622
 17 Welterweight         Jack Carroll                         946  284  662
 18 Welterweight         Freddie Dawson                       916  369  547
 19 Welterweight         Kid Gavilan                          879  548  331
 20 Welterweight         Lockport Jimmy Duffy                 807  546  261

  1 Light Middleweight   Terence Crawford                    1172  298  874
  2 Light Middleweight   Mike McCallum                       1046  458  588
  3 Light Middleweight   Thomas Hearns                       1009  380  629
  4 Light Middleweight   Wilfred Benitez                      643  367  275
  5 Light Middleweight   Sandro Mazzinghi                     597  244  353
  6 Light Middleweight   Ralph Dupas                          571  335  236
  7 Light Middleweight   Terry Norris                         570  215  354
  8 Light Middleweight   Ronald Wright                        434  224  210
  9 Light Middleweight   Ayub Kalule                          374  219  154
 10 Light Middleweight   Julian Jackson                       369  148  221
 11 Light Middleweight   Jermell Charlo                       363  118  244
 12 Light Middleweight   Danny Garcia                         338  166  172
 13 Light Middleweight   Gianfranco Rosi                      333  170  162
 14 Light Middleweight   Maurice Hope                         331  179  151
 15 Light Middleweight   Freddie Little                       330  147  182
 16 Light Middleweight   Carlo Duran                          324  164  160
 17 Light Middleweight   Denny Moyer                          290  213   76
 18 Light Middleweight   Rocky Mattioli                       282  103  179
 19 Light Middleweight   Chris Christensen                    248  150   97
 20 Light Middleweight   Louis Acaries                        224   94  129

  1 Middleweight         Ray Robinson                        1952 1036  915
  2 Middleweight         Harry Greb                          1710  980  729
  3 Middleweight         Carlos Monzon                       1570  750  819
  4 Middleweight         Marvin Hagler                       1524  616  908
  5 Middleweight         Mike Gibbons                        1333  617  715
  6 Middleweight         Bernard Hopkins                     1215  429  786
  7 Middleweight         Holman Williams                     1164  698  465
  8 Middleweight         Charley Burley                      1111  556  555
  9 Middleweight         Mickey Walker                       1070  624  446
 10 Middleweight         Gennadiy Golovkin                   1015  242  772
 11 Middleweight         Marcel Thil                         1002  520  482
 12 Middleweight         Emile Griffith                       980  579  400
 13 Middleweight         Charles Humez                        971  527  443
 14 Middleweight         Gustav Scholz                        949  351  597
 15 Middleweight         Randolph Turpin                      941  467  474
 16 Middleweight         Bobo Olson                           925  450  475
 17 Middleweight         Dick Tiger                           922  482  439
 18 Middleweight         Marcel Cerdan                        901  240  661
 19 Middleweight         Gene Fullmer                         826  476  350
 20 Middleweight         Jake LaMotta                         815  469  346

  1 Super Middleweight   Saul Alvarez                        1336  485  851
  2 Super Middleweight   Joe Calzaghe                         998  377  621
  3 Super Middleweight   Andre Ward                           955  429  526
  4 Super Middleweight   Carl Froch                           758  291  466
  5 Super Middleweight   Mikkel Kessler                       533  197  336
  6 Super Middleweight   Arthur Abraham                       363  139  223
  7 Super Middleweight   Sven Ottke                           352  191  161
  8 Super Middleweight   Jaime Munguia                        321   98  222
  9 Super Middleweight   Steve Collins                        301  106  194
 10 Super Middleweight   Demetrius Andrade                    290   87  203
 11 Super Middleweight   Lucian Bute                          282   96  186
 12 Super Middleweight   Chris Eubank                         271  167  104
 13 Super Middleweight   George Groves                        201  103   97
 14 Super Middleweight   Billy Joe Saunders                   199  109   89
 15 Super Middleweight   Felix Sturm                          184   83  100
 16 Super Middleweight   Nigel Benn                           176   65  110
 17 Super Middleweight   Vinny Pazienza                       170   77   92
 18 Super Middleweight   Peter Quillin                        163   58  105
 19 Super Middleweight   In Chul Baek                         159   72   87
 20 Super Middleweight   Daniel Jacobs                        154   74   79

  1 Light Heavyweight    Archie Moore                        1294  607  686
  2 Light Heavyweight    Roy Jones Jr                        1235  379  856
  3 Light Heavyweight    Tommy Gibbons                        879  425  454
  4 Light Heavyweight    Tommy Loughran                       826  498  328
  5 Light Heavyweight    Jimmy Bivins                         793  509  283
  6 Light Heavyweight    Billy Conn                           705  456  249
  7 Light Heavyweight    Harold Johnson                       700  432  268
  8 Light Heavyweight    Michael Spinks                       656  290  365
  9 Light Heavyweight    Jack Dillon                          640  290  350
 10 Light Heavyweight    Artur Beterbiev                      630  229  400
 11 Light Heavyweight    Dmitrii Bivol                        621  274  346
 12 Light Heavyweight    Jack Delaney                         599  380  219
 13 Light Heavyweight    John Henry Lewis                     586  382  204
 14 Light Heavyweight    Joey Maxim                           563  324  239
 15 Light Heavyweight    Len Harvey                           553  225  327
 16 Light Heavyweight    Maxie Rosenbloom                     506  295  211
 17 Light Heavyweight    Victor Galindez                      458  239  218
 18 Light Heavyweight    Oakland Billy Smith                  439  279  159
 19 Light Heavyweight    Matthew Saad Muhammad                435  221  213
 20 Light Heavyweight    Virgil Hill                          406  164  241

  1 Cruiserweight        Gilberto Ramirez                     351  118  232
  2 Cruiserweight        Sergey Kovalev                       347  107  240
  3 Cruiserweight        David Haye                           237   73  164
  4 Cruiserweight        Juan Carlos Gomez                    206   56  150
  5 Cruiserweight        Tony Bellew                          182   77  104
  6 Cruiserweight        Denis Lebedev                        152   38  113
  7 Cruiserweight        Tomasz Adamek                        146   68   78
  8 Cruiserweight        Mairis Briedis                       140   47   93
  9 Cruiserweight        Jean Pascal                          121   69   52
 10 Cruiserweight        Jean Marc Mormeck                    104   48   55
 11 Cruiserweight        Danny Green                          104   43   60
 12 Cruiserweight        Chris Billam-Smith                   103   53   49
 13 Cruiserweight        Grigory Drozd                        102   34   68
 14 Cruiserweight        Julio Cesar Chavez Jr                 94   59   35
 15 Cruiserweight        Johnny Nelson                         90   27   62
 16 Cruiserweight        Krzysztof Wlodarczyk                  90   53   37
 17 Cruiserweight        Jai Opetaia                           82   29   53
 18 Cruiserweight        Joe Smith Jr                          80   54   25
 19 Cruiserweight        Ilunga Junior Makabu                  79   46   33
 20 Cruiserweight        Steve Cunningham                      68   40   27

  1 Heavyweight          Joe Louis                           1477  616  860
  2 Heavyweight          Muhammad Ali                        1472  575  896
  3 Heavyweight          Gene Tunney                         1240  585  655
  4 Heavyweight          Ezzard Charles                      1229  665  564
  5 Heavyweight          Lennox Lewis                        1102  338  763
  6 Heavyweight          Floyd Patterson                      966  403  562
  7 Heavyweight          Rocky Marciano                       950  446  503
  8 Heavyweight          Wladimir Klitschko                   916  275  641
  9 Heavyweight          Jack Dempsey                         806  473  333
 10 Heavyweight          Evander Holyfield                    797  287  510
 11 Heavyweight          Larry Holmes                         771  269  501
 12 Heavyweight          Vitali Klitschko                     756  136  619
 13 Heavyweight          Sam Langford                         727  376  351
 14 Heavyweight          Jersey Joe Walcott                   702  395  306
 15 Heavyweight          Sonny Liston                         680  286  394
 16 Heavyweight          Joe Frazier                          676  346  329
 17 Heavyweight          Oleksandr Usyk                       613  269  344
 18 Heavyweight          Billy Miske                          610  394  215
 19 Heavyweight          George Foreman                       594  272  321
 20 Heavyweight          Young Stribling                      557  225  332

[JCS]

This one is not bad... Toss up between this one and the first change you posted.

I'd like to see...

Lopez (105), Wilde (112), Galaxy (115), Pep (126) at #1

Jofre (118), Gomez (122), Robinson (147/160), Greb (160), Moore (175) as high as possible.

Leonard/Duran seem to be consistently top 2 (135), same with Alvarez/Calzaghe (168) and Louis/Ali (HW) -- Probably another good benchmark.

Can understand 200, HW shaking out a few different ways... Same goes for the unmentioned lighter divisions.

[computerrank]

This one is not bad... Toss up between this one and the first change you posted.

I'd like to see...

Lopez (105), Wilde (112), Galaxy (115), Pep (126) at #1

Jofre (118), Gomez (122), Robinson (147/160), Greb (160), Moore (175) as high as possible.

Leonard/Duran seem to be consistently top 2 (135), same with Alvarez/Calzaghe (168) and Louis/Ali (HW) -- Probably another good benchmark.

Can understand 200, HW shaking out a few different ways... Same goes for the unmentioned lighter divisions.

I will suggest the change for a new release ...

[computerrank]

This one is not bad... Toss up between this one and the first change you posted.

I'd like to see...

Lopez (105), Wilde (112), Galaxy (115), Pep (126) at #1

Jofre (118), Gomez (122), Robinson (147/160), Greb (160), Moore (175) as high as possible.

Leonard/Duran seem to be consistently top 2 (135), same with Alvarez/Calzaghe (168) and Louis/Ali (HW) -- Probably another good benchmark.

Can understand 200, HW shaking out a few different ways... Same goes for the unmentioned lighter divisions.

I will suggest the change for a new release ...

Will be updated on 2025-01-08
... updated ...

[JCS]

Thought I'd have some "Fun"

I took the new BoxRec All-Time Flyweight rankings and compared to the results of a survey conducted by "Rummy" -- who seems to be a fairly respected online boxing historian. I cannot personally speak for his knowledge.

A few years ago, he arranged some panelists.. again, I cannot vouch for their knowledge, and conducted surveys - the best boxers at each of the original divisions. Not sure where they got their info.. maybe some of them got it from BoxRec.

Anyway, below is the Top 30 from the survey and the difference between the survey ranking and current BoxRec All-Time.



The color coding does not place more emphasis on the top of rankings... it probably should. It is only concerned with the numerical difference between the two lists.

Another way to look at it is.. higher rank divided by low rank.

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BoxRec	Survey	Diff	
1.0	3.0	3.0	Jimmy Wilde
2.0	31.0	15.5	Miguel Canto
3.0	32.0	10.7	Pascual Perez
4.0	9.0	2.3	Midget Wolgast
5.0	7.0	1.4	Pancho Villa
6.0	12.0	2.0	Frankie Genaro
7.0	24.0	3.4	Benny Lynch
8.0	2.0	4.0	Fidel LaBarba
9.0	35.0	3.9	Pone Kingpetch
10.0			Ricardo Lopez
11.0	16.0	1.5	Masao Ohba
12.0	28.0	2.3	Chartchai Chionoi
13.0	20.0	1.5	Betulio Gonzalez
14.0			Peter Kane
15.0	1.0	15.0	Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
16.0	18.0	1.1	Horacio Accovallo
17.0	29.0	1.7	Sot Chitalada
18.0			Roman Gonzalez
19.0			Fighting Harada
20.0			Walter McGowan
21.0	14.0	1.5	Jackie Patterson
22.0	21.0	1.0	Hiroyuki Ebihara
23.0	34.0	1.5	Little Pancho
24.0	23.0	1.0	Willie Davies
25.0			Jung Koo Chan
26.0	55.0	2.1	Little Dado
27.0			Khaosai Galaxy
28.0	11.0	2.5	Mark Johnson
29.0	8.0	3.6	Yuri Arbachakov
30.0	10.0	3.0	Newsboy Brown

This exposes Canto, Perez, and Pongsaklek as the biggest issues (in the fighters listed), by far.