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apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 11:01 Tbh I think Fury is very hard to be beat. Its not just his size and reach but also his skills , his grit, the way he moves, his power and his ring IQ. The only names that come to my mind are Ali, Lennox and Bowe, that would have good chances to beat Fury.

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 11:01 Tbh I think Fury is very hard to be beat. Its not just his size and reach but also his skills , his grit, the way he moves, his power and his ring IQ. The only names that come to my mind are Ali, Lennox and Bowe, that would have good chances to beat Fury.

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:27 None

Athletes get better with every generation, anybody who says otherwise is deluded. Same is true with boxers.

klitoris wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 12:08

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 11:01 Tbh I think Fury is very hard to be beat. Its not just his size and reach but also his skills , his grit, the way he moves, his power and his ring IQ. The only names that come to my mind are Ali, Lennox and Bowe, that would have good chances to beat Fury.

Prime Lennox would be hard for him to beat mainly because I don't think Fury hits hard enough for Lennox to respect his power. Out of prime Lennox did fairly well against a prime Vitaliy who is similar size and skill to Fury with more power.

pound per pound wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 12:17

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 11:01 Tbh I think Fury is very hard to be beat. Its not just his size and reach but also his skills , his grit, the way he moves, his power and his ring IQ. The only names that come to my mind are Ali, Lennox and Bowe, that would have good chances to beat Fury.

Lots. Fury is dirty and his achievements are misty due to his PED drug use.

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:50

klitoris wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 12:08

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 11:01 Tbh I think Fury is very hard to be beat. Its not just his size and reach but also his skills , his grit, the way he moves, his power and his ring IQ. The only names that come to my mind are Ali, Lennox and Bowe, that would have good chances to beat Fury.

Prime Lennox would be hard for him to beat mainly because I don't think Fury hits hard enough for Lennox to respect his power. Out of prime Lennox did fairly well against a prime Vitaliy who is similar size and skill to Fury with more power.

Vitali is no near to Fury in terms of skills and talent. Fury probably hits as hard as AJ or Wilder.

joshj909 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 14:46

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:50

klitoris wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 12:08

Prime Lennox would be hard for him to beat mainly because I don't think Fury hits hard enough for Lennox to respect his power. Out of prime Lennox did fairly well against a prime Vitaliy who is similar size and skill to Fury with more power.

Vitali is no near to Fury in terms of skills and talent. Fury probably hits as hard as AJ or Wilder.

pound per pound wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 12:17

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 11:01 Tbh I think Fury is very hard to be beat. Its not just his size and reach but also his skills , his grit, the way he moves, his power and his ring IQ. The only names that come to my mind are Ali, Lennox and Bowe, that would have good chances to beat Fury.

Lots. Fury is dirty and his achievements are misty due to his PED drug use.

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 15:05

joshj909 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 14:46

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:50

Vitali is no near to Fury in terms of skills and talent. Fury probably hits as hard as AJ or Wilder.

Didn't Fury stop Wilder x2, Chisora and Whyte?

joshj909 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 16:30

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 15:05

joshj909 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 14:46

Didn't Fury stop Wilder x2, Chisora and Whyte?

Joshua also stopped Whyte but Fury couldn't stop Ngannou, Wallin, Johnson or Klitschko if we're using common opponents. I do not rate Wilder's boxing skills but there's one thing he has and it's power. Fury's finish % is 70%, while Joshua's is 90% and Wilder's is 97% (I know that's a stat that needs context but it's quite clearly a big gap).

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:47

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:27 None

Athletes get better with every generation, anybody who says otherwise is deluded. Same is true with boxers.

I think so. The re fighting more smartly without wasting lots of punches when they don't need to do it. Also the nutrition and the training routine are much more spot on.

dempseyfire wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 17:29

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:47

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:27 None

Athletes get better with every generation, anybody who says otherwise is deluded. Same is true with boxers.

I think so. The re fighting more smartly without wasting lots of punches when they don't need to do it. Also the nutrition and the training routine are much more spot on.

A) The pool of pro boxers is so much smaller than it was 60+ years ago, even with the increase in eastern euro comp. Boxing was one of the top 2 SPORTS GLOBALLY from 1910 until about 1960. Now it's what . . maybe barely in the top 10?

B) Nutrition and training: This is why the work-rare and physiques of the majority of top heavyweights is crap compared to even the 1980s when everyone called the coked-out heavyweights fat. Just like the rest of the populace fighters get fat in-between fights and with less fights per year, that's a lot of opportunities to get out of condition.

C) "Fight smarter" . . GTFO outta here. One reason why Usyk is dominating despite not being either super fast or having a knockout punch is he has skills and conditioning. Frikkin' squared up, stiff Dubois is a novice compared to him and it showed in their fights.

One of the top 5 heavyweights of the past decade (Wilder) was literally a guy who never learned how to box. I'm not joking in saying Wilder wouldn't have been paid as a sparring partner of the top heavyweights of the 1970s. He wasn't even on the Roy Tiger Williams/Jeff Merritt level let alone Frazier/Ali/Norton/Foreman/Holmes.

pound per pound wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 12:17

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 11:01 Tbh I think Fury is very hard to be beat. Its not just his size and reach but also his skills , his grit, the way he moves, his power and his ring IQ. The only names that come to my mind are Ali, Lennox and Bowe, that would have good chances to beat Fury.

Lots. Fury is dirty and his achievements are misty due to his PED drug use.

dempseyfire wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 17:29

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:47

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:27 None

Athletes get better with every generation, anybody who says otherwise is deluded. Same is true with boxers.

I think so. The re fighting more smartly without wasting lots of punches when they don't need to do it. Also the nutrition and the training routine are much more spot on.

A) The pool of pro boxers is so much smaller than it was 60+ years ago, even with the increase in eastern euro comp. Boxing was one of the top 2 SPORTS GLOBALLY from 1910 until about 1960. Now it's what . . maybe barely in the top 10?

B) Nutrition and training: This is why the work-rare and physiques of the majority of top heavyweights is crap compared to even the 1980s when everyone called the coked-out heavyweights fat. Just like the rest of the populace fighters get fat in-between fights and with less fights per year, that's a lot of opportunities to get out of condition.

C) "Fight smarter" . . GTFO outta here. One reason why Usyk is dominating despite not being either super fast or having a knockout punch is he has skills and conditioning. Frikkin' squared up, stiff Dubois is a novice compared to him and it showed in their fights.

One of the top 5 heavyweights of the past decade (Wilder) was literally a guy who never learned how to box. I'm not joking in saying Wilder wouldn't have been paid as a sparring partner of the top heavyweights of the 1970s. He wasn't even on the Roy Tiger Williams/Jeff Merritt level let alone Frazier/Ali/Norton/Foreman/Holmes.

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 17:14

joshj909 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 16:30

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 15:05

Didn't Fury stop Wilder x2, Chisora and Whyte?

Joshua also stopped Whyte but Fury couldn't stop Ngannou, Wallin, Johnson or Klitschko if we're using common opponents. I do not rate Wilder's boxing skills but there's one thing he has and it's power. Fury's finish % is 70%, while Joshua's is 90% and Wilder's is 97% (I know that's a stat that needs context but it's quite clearly a big gap).

Well AJ got stopped by a fat-short hw and looked like a complete amateur vs DDD. Of course he's good at stopping B, C level and over the hill fighters.

dempseyfire wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 17:29

apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:47

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2024, 13:27 None

Athletes get better with every generation, anybody who says otherwise is deluded. Same is true with boxers.

I think so. The re fighting more smartly without wasting lots of punches when they don't need to do it. Also the nutrition and the training routine are much more spot on.

A) The pool of pro boxers is so much smaller than it was 60+ years ago, even with the increase in eastern euro comp. Boxing was one of the top 2 SPORTS GLOBALLY from 1910 until about 1960. Now it's what . . maybe barely in the top 10?

B) Nutrition and training: This is why the work-rare and physiques of the majority of top heavyweights is crap compared to even the 1980s when everyone called the coked-out heavyweights fat. Just like the rest of the populace fighters get fat in-between fights and with less fights per year, that's a lot of opportunities to get out of condition.

C) "Fight smarter" . . GTFO outta here. One reason why Usyk is dominating despite not being either super fast or having a knockout punch is he has skills and conditioning. Frikkin' squared up, stiff Dubois is a novice compared to him and it showed in their fights.

One of the top 5 heavyweights of the past decade (Wilder) was literally a guy who never learned how to box. I'm not joking in saying Wilder wouldn't have been paid as a sparring partner of the top heavyweights of the 1970s. He wasn't even on the Roy Tiger Williams/Jeff Merritt level let alone Frazier/Ali/Norton/Foreman/Holmes.

apollo creed wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 14:44 Lets not ignore the fact that ped testing of nowadays is much more rigorous than what they were back in the day. Fury would stop many legendary hw champions, with a random blood testing for peds.

NazNaci1 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 15:46

apollo creed wrote: ↑30 Dec 2024, 14:44 Lets not ignore the fact that ped testing of nowadays is much more rigorous than what they were back in the day. Fury would stop many legendary hw champions, with a random blood testing for peds.

Stop? What are you smoking, bro?

Are we talking about Ivan Drago or fat feather fisted Fury??