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......which promoter could they use?

I will say, that I really appreciate the Top Rank cards on SKY. Especially watching Inoue live.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:44 ......which promoter could they use?

I will say, that I really appreciate the Top Rank cards on SKY. Especially watching Inoue live.

Don't think they should go for a single promoter, offer the dates out and give the work out on quality

Coco wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:54

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:44 ......which promoter could they use?

I will say, that I really appreciate the Top Rank cards on SKY. Especially watching Inoue live.

Don't think they should go for a single promoter, offer the dates out and give the work out on quality

Pick and choose, say they want boxing on such a date and ask promoters what can they put on ?

I think Don King is still active...

No need to be exclusive to any promotion.

I really hoped they didn’t after Matchroom left but they did.

Yeh they could have still done a deal with Boxxer, but no need to be exclusive with anyone.

They should be open. Pick and choose.

I mean the top promoters are tied with TV deals anyway.

But the likes of Hennessy, Wasserman etc.

Although I don’t mind having Channel 5 cards as well.

They’ll probably just offer the big PPVs from Turki. The recent PPVs have been available on multiple platforms.

Shalom is an absolutely clueless student gig organiser and it shows. He’s recently served Liam Cameron with a letter before action because of Liam’s tweets.

What a scum bag bully

Pretty embarrassing from Boxxer, as usual.

izzy asif
gbm is it called .
building up on small hall shows and appears not to have the kind of BS attitude shalom has .....

stevec@france wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 11:41 izzy asif
gbm is it called .
building up on small hall shows and appears not to have the kind of BS attitude shalom has .....

Have they got any good fighters?

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 11:52

stevec@france wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 11:41 izzy asif
gbm is it called .
building up on small hall shows and appears not to have the kind of BS attitude shalom has .....

Have they got any good fighters?

younger propsects mainly and guys who were struggling to get on bigger shows .

clearly they / he would need to develop a batter stable but that would come with a TV deal

this

https://www.facebook.com/GBMSports/

Adam Smith on comms

stevec@france wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 11:41 izzy asif
gbm is it called .
building up on small hall shows and appears not to have the kind of BS attitude shalom has .....

I had to unsubscribe from the gbm social media as I was sick of seeing him constantly on there channel

tony1234 wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:59

Coco wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:54

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:44 ......which promoter could they use?

I will say, that I really appreciate the Top Rank cards on SKY. Especially watching Inoue live.

Don't think they should go for a single promoter, offer the dates out and give the work out on quality

Pick and choose, say they want boxing on such a date and ask promoters what can they put on ?

Using different promoters has been tried before,never works. Promoters rely on a certain amount of security/guarantees from broadcasters so they can sign boxers,plan careers. You can't do anything with a certain amount of financisl backing

Muttley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 18:09

tony1234 wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:59

Coco wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:54

Don't think they should go for a single promoter, offer the dates out and give the work out on quality

Pick and choose, say they want boxing on such a date and ask promoters what can they put on ?

Using different promoters has been tried before,never works. Promoters rely on a certain amount of security/guarantees from broadcasters so they can sign boxers,plan careers. You can't do anything with a certain amount of financisl backing

I think it worked ok in the 90’s when you had various promoters getting 10+ dates a year on Sky. (At various times Warren/Panix/Matchroom/Hennessy).

Seemed to be a bit of competition and more activity around the British Title scene.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 19:33

Muttley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 18:09

tony1234 wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 09:59

Pick and choose, say they want boxing on such a date and ask promoters what can they put on ?

Using different promoters has been tried before,never works. Promoters rely on a certain amount of security/guarantees from broadcasters so they can sign boxers,plan careers. You can't do anything with a certain amount of financisl backing

I think it worked ok in the 90’s when you had various promoters getting 10+ dates a year on Sky. (At various times Warren/Panix/Matchroom/Hennessy).

Seemed to be a bit of competition and more activity around the British Title scene.

Yeah but that’s when Sky were doing 40 boxing shows a year and fighters weren’t getting paid far more than their commercial worth.

The economics don’t work now.

It will be interesting to see the next 4/5 years at Sky Sports. Subscriber numbers are falling as people can’t afford it/switch to illegal streaming so they’ll almost certainly be looking to cut costs.

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 03:17

Frostieballs wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 19:33

Muttley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 18:09

Using different promoters has been tried before,never works. Promoters rely on a certain amount of security/guarantees from broadcasters so they can sign boxers,plan careers. You can't do anything with a certain amount of financisl backing

I think it worked ok in the 90’s when you had various promoters getting 10+ dates a year on Sky. (At various times Warren/Panix/Matchroom/Hennessy).

Seemed to be a bit of competition and more activity around the British Title scene.

Yeah but that’s when Sky were doing 40 boxing shows a year and fighters weren’t getting paid far more than their commercial worth.

The economics don’t work now.

It will be interesting to see the next 4/5 years at Sky Sports. Subscriber numbers are falling as people can’t afford it/switch to illegal streaming so they’ll almost certainly be looking to cut costs.

Some of those flyweight headliners were getting 5 grand if they were lucky.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 11:25 They’ll probably just offer the big PPVs from Turki. The recent PPVs have been available on multiple platforms.

Shalom is an absolutely clueless student gig organiser and it shows. He’s recently served Liam Cameron with a letter before action because of Liam’s tweets.

What a scum bag bully

Isn’t this just the kind of thing Frank has done for nearly all his time in boxing?

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 03:17

Frostieballs wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 19:33

Muttley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 18:09

Using different promoters has been tried before,never works. Promoters rely on a certain amount of security/guarantees from broadcasters so they can sign boxers,plan careers. You can't do anything with a certain amount of financisl backing

I think it worked ok in the 90’s when you had various promoters getting 10+ dates a year on Sky. (At various times Warren/Panix/Matchroom/Hennessy).

Seemed to be a bit of competition and more activity around the British Title scene.

Yeah but that’s when Sky were doing 40 boxing shows a year and fighters weren’t getting paid far more than their commercial worth.

The economics don’t work now.

It will be interesting to see the next 4/5 years at Sky Sports. Subscriber numbers are falling as people can’t afford it/switch to illegal streaming so they’ll almost certainly be looking to cut costs.

The only thing that has changed that has been Saudi money.

Before that hit, you still had British Champions on purses that weren’t huge.

PPV has always been an exception.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 04:23

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 03:17

Frostieballs wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 19:33

I think it worked ok in the 90’s when you had various promoters getting 10+ dates a year on Sky. (At various times Warren/Panix/Matchroom/Hennessy).

Seemed to be a bit of competition and more activity around the British Title scene.

Yeah but that’s when Sky were doing 40 boxing shows a year and fighters weren’t getting paid far more than their commercial worth.

The economics don’t work now.

It will be interesting to see the next 4/5 years at Sky Sports. Subscriber numbers are falling as people can’t afford it/switch to illegal streaming so they’ll almost certainly be looking to cut costs.

Some of those flyweight headliners were getting 5 grand if they were lucky.

Yeah. And often those flyweights headlining were in decent, competitive fights. Munyai brings back memories.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 08:33

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 03:17

Frostieballs wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025, 19:33

I think it worked ok in the 90’s when you had various promoters getting 10+ dates a year on Sky. (At various times Warren/Panix/Matchroom/Hennessy).

Seemed to be a bit of competition and more activity around the British Title scene.

Yeah but that’s when Sky were doing 40 boxing shows a year and fighters weren’t getting paid far more than their commercial worth.

The economics don’t work now.

It will be interesting to see the next 4/5 years at Sky Sports. Subscriber numbers are falling as people can’t afford it/switch to illegal streaming so they’ll almost certainly be looking to cut costs.

The only thing that has changed that has been Saudi money.

Before that hit, you still had British Champions on purses that weren’t huge.

PPV has always been an exception.

No - it had changed before that. The Saudi stuff has taken it to the next level.

a force wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 04:33

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 11:25 They’ll probably just offer the big PPVs from Turki. The recent PPVs have been available on multiple platforms.

Shalom is an absolutely clueless student gig organiser and it shows. He’s recently served Liam Cameron with a letter before action because of Liam’s tweets.

What a scum bag bully

Isn’t this just the kind of thing Frank has done for nearly all his time in boxing?

Oh fish eyes is very aggressive with threats and litigation. But Shalom is attacking Liam. Amer on basically just or asking for a rematch! Again and again and taking the p but still….. I can’t see a crime. What a scumbag.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑12 Jan 2025, 11:22 No need to be exclusive to any promotion.

I really hoped they didn’t after Matchroom left but they did.

Yeh they could have still done a deal with Boxxer, but no need to be exclusive with anyone.

They should be open. Pick and choose.

I mean the top promoters are tied with TV deals anyway.

But the likes of Hennessy, Wasserman etc.

Although I don’t mind having Channel 5 cards as well.

I'm not entirely sure I follow any of this?

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 10:50

Frostieballs wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 08:33

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 03:17

Yeah but that’s when Sky were doing 40 boxing shows a year and fighters weren’t getting paid far more than their commercial worth.

The economics don’t work now.

It will be interesting to see the next 4/5 years at Sky Sports. Subscriber numbers are falling as people can’t afford it/switch to illegal streaming so they’ll almost certainly be looking to cut costs.

The only thing that has changed that has been Saudi money.

Before that hit, you still had British Champions on purses that weren’t huge.

PPV has always been an exception.

No - it had changed before that. The Saudi stuff has taken it to the next level.

On what platform?

Dazn overpaid too, but the Fast Car was spending someone else's money

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 10:49

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 04:23

maverick23 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2025, 03:17

Yeah but that’s when Sky were doing 40 boxing shows a year and fighters weren’t getting paid far more than their commercial worth.

The economics don’t work now.

It will be interesting to see the next 4/5 years at Sky Sports. Subscriber numbers are falling as people can’t afford it/switch to illegal streaming so they’ll almost certainly be looking to cut costs.

Some of those flyweight headliners were getting 5 grand if they were lucky.

Yeah. And often those flyweights headlining were in decent, competitive fights. Munyai brings back memories.

I think some of the flyweights/bantams of the 90’s earned decent money in that Sky era.

Think back to the likes of Nicky and Jason Booth, Napa, Kelly and Culshaw.

In real terms, I reckon their purses were higher than Harris and Butler’s recently.

That British Flyweight title fight was only picked up by DAZN in the week before.

I’d agree that the guys at the higher end may earn better now (Saudi/Dazn) but those below that have less opportunities.

30-40 consistent shows a year, with 12 fights each, allowed boxers to be very active, from prospect level through to Area, National and higher honours.

It seems now we can go weeks without a decent show, then a bumper bill comes along (which of course I love!).

Maybe rose tinted spectacles and I am getting old, but the overall scene seemed healthier in the 90’s.

In addition to the big fights (Hatton & Calzaghe), most Fridays (or Saturdays) you could look forward to seeing a decent British level title fight featuring decent names like Richard Williams, Wayne Alexander, Froch coming through, Damaen Kelly, Howard Eastman, Scott Harrison etc.

You’d get another title fight on the card and watch a couple of prospects on their journey.