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Was there a re-hydration clause for Amir-Canelo or Brook-GGG?

If not I wonder?

Eddie needs to shake his head a bit.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 17:12 Was there a re-hydration clause for Amir-Canelo or Brook-GGG?

If not I wonder?

Eddie needs to shake his head a bit.

I doubt it as both of those fights you mentioned had clear global A sides who were the heavier fighters.

I’m not fan of rehydration clauses. The IBF still has rehydration limits for title fights. So if the Benn/Eubank fight was for the IBF title then they’d be limited to being 170lbs the morning of the fight. Apparently the actual rehydration limit is c. 10 pounds (I read 9.5lbs) so not too dissimilar. If it’s true then I don’t think it’s bad. Eubank can still weigh whatever he wants come fight night.

I've been banging this drum for ages. It surely isn't safe to limit your rehydration following a significant weight cut.

The BBB of C need to grow a pair of balls, and people need to realise Eddie is an absolute scumbag and is no friend of the boxers he promotes, despite his attempt at trying to act like one of the lads

Embarrassing for the sport, shameful.

It completely defeats the purpose of weightclasses and how weigh ins are universally done. I don't think many would mind if weigh ins were changed to before the fight (safely) but you can't have it both ways.

Does anyone know the time of the reweigh?

If it’s 8 am fight day that’s not too bad… means you just slowly rehydrate to 170 then have breaky and continue to slowly hydrate.

If it’s 8pm and you have to actualy enter the ring slightly dehydrated that’s an issue.

English Eubank will do everything in his power to prevent the fight from happening...

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 19:16 Does anyone know the time of the reweigh?

If it’s 8 am fight day that’s not too bad… means you just slowly rehydrate to 170 then have breaky and continue to slowly hydrate.

If it’s 8pm and you have to actualy enter the ring slightly dehydrated that’s an issue.

I don’t know for sure on this one but they’re pretty much always the morning of fight day.

I can't believe Eubank has agreed to it, surely it's Benn who needs the money.

Was going to post something similar myself

They stopped same day weigh ins for safety reasons but allow same day weight limits - which is the same thing effectively

Shame on the BBBofC

I've actually emailed the BBBoC asking these questions.

It will fall on deaf ears as all my emails do unless you congratulate them for their commitment

joshj909 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 18:57 It completely defeats the purpose of weightclasses and how weigh ins are universally done. I don't think many would mind if weigh ins were changed to before the fight (safely) but you can't have it both ways.

Been saying this for years. It makes a mockery of Boxing.

How can you have guys fighting at MW, for example, weighing in at 160 then come fight night, coming in at 170+? You can't make the weight, you should not fight in that weight division. Move up.

Plus there is a danger, when a fighter has to really push to make weight and rely on rehydration to get themselves right.

I know its all about £££ but from a purists point of view, a real sh*t show, each and every time and then to listen to fighters banging on about how they are the best in the division.......no, you're not even fighting at that weight division.

Back in the day, you weighed in and that was your weight come fight night, roughly.

To me, its a form of cheating.

Unfortunately the weigh in the day before means fighters will try to gain an advantage by boiling down to make the weight. It can have disastrous consequences as we know. McClellan was guilty of doing it for many a fight at 160 and got it wrong vs Benn at 168, coming in at 165. He had been given brain damage by Julian Jackson in their first fight so I think he was extremely damaged goods. He was a monster at 160 because he was young enough to get away with the brutal weight cut.
and blow up after the weigh in. Gatti gave poor Joey Gamache the mother of all hidings after blowing up after the weigh in and looking several divisions higher. Frightening hiding that. It's a major advantage for guys who can pull it off and usually young guys can get away with it, giving them a big advantage. An older guy like Eubank will struggle.

Effectively legally disallowing a fighter to rehydrate properly is a connected issue to weight cutting but IMO is a condition that has greater potential for serious harm.

I hope Eubank takes the Ryan Garcia approach to this and rehydrates well above the contractual limit and just pays the fine.

Is there a science behind weight divisions? I highly doubt it but people bicker over a few pounds here and there but when it comes to the heavys it's perfectly fine to fight dudes 3/4 stone heavier and nobody mentions it, why is that then??

I would argue that guys who rehydrate massively can cause more brain damage. There should be a percentage rehydration limit for each division. That's my opinion.

Its a double edged sword , and people tend to favor whatever suits there agenda depending on who's there favorite or who they want to win .

Its easy to say poor old Chris he's gonna have to come in light and now there saying he can't gain too much weight , well let poor old Chris refuse the fight stating i can't make weight and retain strenght .

Then again its easy to say , Poor Connor he's coming up 2 divisions and they want to put extra weight on and make it 3 , well let poor Connor refuse the fight saying i'm a welterweight and he either fights me there or it does'nt happen , because he's too big , weight divisions for a reason ..

Personaly i'm not a fan of weight restrictions , and stopping fighters from rehydrating , but there has to be some sort of relevence when you get these catchweight fights , and its up to the boxers and there teams to be sensible about it . .

Last time around i thought they were putting it on Eubank , and risking life and limb , This time round he's seen sence , and its in his favor , but Benn is cocky enough he thinks he can do it ,, way to stop it is stop the catchweight fights , but how you going to do that .

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 08:57 I would argue that guys who rehydrate massively can cause more brain damage. There should be a percentage rehydration limit for each division. That's my opinion.

You think dehydrated people should only be allowed to partially rehydrate?

What evidence/medical expertise are you basing your argument on, you have some sound evidence, right?

There is a lot of medical evidence proving that an individual who participates in combat sports in a dehydrated state is at an increased risk of suffering brain injuries than if he is hydrated. If you are advocating a percentage rehydration limit (I.e. you are saying a fighter should only be able to partially rehydrate and, therefore must might in a dehydrated state), I'd like to see how you would justify it?

In an ideal world:
There should be a maximum amount of weight which can be rehydrated. This should be a percentage of the total weight and depends on the division. On fight night each boxer should have a minimum percentage of hydration in their body (or however you measure it).

There should also be a maximum amount of weight which can be dehydrated out in the cut. The can measure this by testing them in the weeks leading up to the fight. I understand that ONE FC do this in MMA.

No other weight related classes should be included in contracts for individual fights as it means that the fight is unique and does not fit within any weight division's rules. It will also be way more dangerous.

Understandably much if this is difficult in smaller fights but it is of significant importance in the health of the athletes and the reputation of the sport.

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 09:15

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 08:57 I would argue that guys who rehydrate massively can cause more brain damage. There should be a percentage rehydration limit for each division. That's my opinion.

You think dehydrated people should only be allowed to partially rehydrate?

What evidence/medical expertise are you basing your argument on, you have some sound evidence, right?

There is a lot of medical evidence proving that an individual who participates in combat sports in a dehydrated state is at an increased risk of suffering brain injuries than if he is hydrated. If you are advocating a percentage rehydration limit (I.e. you are saying a fighter should only be able to partially rehydrate and, therefore must might in a dehydrated state), I'd like to see how you would justify it?

Dropping same day weigh ins I would suggest has definitely reduced risk and brain injury. But in many ways it’s created a new problem - this who can afford the expertise or are clued up can put on a massive amount of weight which in itself is a dangerous and unfair scenario. Think of Gamache Gatti or Devin Hany putting on 20lbs of weight and coming in at 160 when boxing at 140.

I don’t know what the solution is BTW…..

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 09:15

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 08:57 I would argue that guys who rehydrate massively can cause more brain damage. There should be a percentage rehydration limit for each division. That's my opinion.

You think dehydrated people should only be allowed to partially rehydrate?

What evidence/medical expertise are you basing your argument on, you have some sound evidence, right?

There is a lot of medical evidence proving that an individual who participates in combat sports in a dehydrated state is at an increased risk of suffering brain injuries than if he is hydrated. If you are advocating a percentage rehydration limit (I.e. you are saying a fighter should only be able to partially rehydrate and, therefore must might in a dehydrated state), I'd like to see how you would justify it?

The rehydration limit, like the IBF’s is only based on the morning of the fight. So a fighter can, if a fight’s at 160, put on c. 10 pounds by the morning of the fight and then put on another 5/6 pounds before the fight if they wanted.

If they’re dehydrating themselves by so much that adding back 15/16lbs doesn’t work then I’d certainly argue they’re in the wrong division.

Saying that I’m still against secondary weigh ins and would rather they weren’t allowed. That won’t happen though until the IBF remove it.

Jeff Fenech is a prime example of weight dropping benefits , , I watched this guy spar welterweights and was too strong , his success did'nt lay in his great chin , or great boxing ability , it lay in his strenght , he was able to really boil down the weight yet retain his strenght and stamina , heard people say he got stronger has the fights went on , he did'nt but he certainly never got weaker , uncanny ability to drop heaps of weight , retain his strenght and still be going the same pace in rnd 1 -8-10 ,, But has he got older and stuggled to do it , what happenned , he got stopped a couple of times , he met others boiling the weight off , to get what he come up to .

Whats the answer , i don't know maybee stop catchweight fights , but that does'nt fix it does it , it explains now how dieticens and the like are coming into the game and influenceing ,

Morning weigh ins,

Being able to weigh in 36 hours before just means you can cut too much weight