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Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 08:57 It is as simple as this: at the time of weigh in conduct a blood osmolality test. If the test shows the fighter to be dehydrated, or any other imbalance, he can't fight. Problem solved. Why not implement it?

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 08:57 It is as simple as this: at the time of weigh in conduct a blood osmolality test. If the test shows the fighter to be dehydrated, or any other imbalance, he can't fight. Problem solved. Why not implement it?

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:26

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 08:57 It is as simple as this: at the time of weigh in conduct a blood osmolality test. If the test shows the fighter to be dehydrated, or any other imbalance, he can't fight. Problem solved. Why not implement it?

Very interesting Jimmy, I'd never heard of this, have any other sports done it?

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:31

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:26

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 08:57 It is as simple as this: at the time of weigh in conduct a blood osmolality test. If the test shows the fighter to be dehydrated, or any other imbalance, he can't fight. Problem solved. Why not implement it?

Very interesting Jimmy, I'd never heard of this, have any other sports done it?

Not for the specific reason I'm talking about. Osmolality tests are used in training by some coaches in various sports to monitor electrolyte:water balance, though.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:36

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:31

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:26

Very interesting Jimmy, I'd never heard of this, have any other sports done it?

Not for the specific reason I'm talking about. Osmolality tests are used in training by some coaches in various sports to monitor electrolyte:water balance, though.

sounds a very fair approach to it if you can see if the person has badly dehydrated themselves, very interesting, I wonder why no one has thought it before?

coneye wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:48

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:36

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:31 Not for the specific reason I'm talking about. Osmolality tests are used in training by some coaches in various sports to monitor electrolyte:water balance, though.

sounds a very fair approach to it if you can see if the person has badly dehydrated themselves, very interesting, I wonder why no one has thought it before?

There would be far too much pressure on any organization that wanted to implement this , from promoters shitting themselves ,if main event gets pulled on the day . . I;m with Coco , same day weigh ins

coneye wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:48

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:36

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:31

Not for the specific reason I'm talking about. Osmolality tests are used in training by some coaches in various sports to monitor electrolyte:water balance, though.

sounds a very fair approach to it if you can see if the person has badly dehydrated themselves, very interesting, I wonder why no one has thought it before?

There would be far too much pressure on any organization that wanted to implement this , from promoters shitting themselves ,if main event gets pulled on the day . . I;m with Coco , same day weigh ins

maverick23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 10:02 There isn’t an easy answer to this.

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 10:11

maverick23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 10:02 There isn’t an easy answer to this.

There is an easy answer if fighter welfare is priority number one and it's to do what I suggest. The real point of starting the topic, though, is to highlight that you are correct.... I.e. there isn't an easy answer when putting the event on and making money is priority number one.

maverick23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 12:51

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 10:11

maverick23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 10:02 There isn’t an easy answer to this.

There is an easy answer if fighter welfare is priority number one and it's to do what I suggest. The real point of starting the topic, though, is to highlight that you are correct.... I.e. there isn't an easy answer when putting the event on and making money is priority number one.

I don’t disagree but what you’re saying will never happen given the additional cost of testing and relatively high risk of losing main events/other fights so close to fight night.

There aren’t many people who have an issue with how boxing is at the moment.

I think perhaps an another solution would be check weigh ins for fights over a certain level to stop guys crashing the weight. I.E. can’t more than 10% over 30 days before the fight and can’t be more than 4/5% over 7 days before the fight.

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 14:59 Something similar to ONE FC but maybe do hydration and weight tests up to a week before as well to avoid any fighters dropping out 24-48 hours before their fight.

https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/

How Does ONE’s Hydration & Weigh-In System Work?
All athletes will participate in a combined weigh-in and hydration test just 24 to 48 hours before the event.

Hydration will be checked through a urine specific gravity test in which every athlete will submit a urine sample under the supervision of a medical technician.

ONE’s doctor will test the athlete’s urine sample using a refractometer to ensure that the athlete is hydrated (hydrated = urine specific gravity ≤1.0250).

The athlete’s weight must be within the contracted weight class or catchweight’s limit. If the athlete passes the hydration test, then he or she must immediately weigh in. If the athlete fails the hydration test, then he or she will not be allowed to officially weigh in until they have first passed the hydration test.

If the athlete passes the hydration test and makes weight, then he or she is cleared to compete in their weight class. If the athlete passes hydration but fails to make weight, then he or she may try again up to the allotted weigh-in time window. However, the athlete must pass hydration and make weight on any successive attempt within the allotted hydration and weigh-in time window.

If the athlete fails to pass hydration and/or make weight during the allotted 3-hour time window, then he or she will be permitted to submit a hydration sample outside of the time window and then weigh in. From there, a catchweight can be negotiated, so long as both athletes are within 105 percent of the opponent’s official hydrated weight, and the athlete will surrender a percentage of his or her purse to the opponent if a catchweight can be agreed upon.

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 15:49

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 14:59 Something similar to ONE FC but maybe do hydration and weight tests up to a week before as well to avoid any fighters dropping out 24-48 hours before their fight.

https://www.onefc.com/martial-arts/

How Does ONE’s Hydration & Weigh-In System Work?
All athletes will participate in a combined weigh-in and hydration test just 24 to 48 hours before the event.

Hydration will be checked through a urine specific gravity test in which every athlete will submit a urine sample under the supervision of a medical technician.

ONE’s doctor will test the athlete’s urine sample using a refractometer to ensure that the athlete is hydrated (hydrated = urine specific gravity ≤1.0250).

The athlete’s weight must be within the contracted weight class or catchweight’s limit. If the athlete passes the hydration test, then he or she must immediately weigh in. If the athlete fails the hydration test, then he or she will not be allowed to officially weigh in until they have first passed the hydration test.

If the athlete passes the hydration test and makes weight, then he or she is cleared to compete in their weight class. If the athlete passes hydration but fails to make weight, then he or she may try again up to the allotted weigh-in time window. However, the athlete must pass hydration and make weight on any successive attempt within the allotted hydration and weigh-in time window.

If the athlete fails to pass hydration and/or make weight during the allotted 3-hour time window, then he or she will be permitted to submit a hydration sample outside of the time window and then weigh in. From there, a catchweight can be negotiated, so long as both athletes are within 105 percent of the opponent’s official hydrated weight, and the athlete will surrender a percentage of his or her purse to the opponent if a catchweight can be agreed upon.

Hadn't seen that. My example was a blood test but urine is fine. Good for One FC.

gregregegg wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 17:04 One fc has the best system around right now. But as I have said elsewhere it would be a huge shakeup to implement (the type boxing just couldn’t handle due to its fragmented nature)

To do this you would have to completly re-write the weights, which would involve either stripping everyone and starting again… or negotiating what weight the existing belts should move to (which is a negotiation not only between the people looking out for boxings best intrest but aproximatly 50? Boxing world champs…

I don’t know what they would come to… as some champs cut 5% and some cut 15%… 10% seems like the go, butttt doing that would basically mean every champ that cuts more than 10 % would miss weight in there next defence…

I would like to see it done while sorting out the weights… (112,115,118 being able to become a 3 weight world champ going up 6 lb… vs 175,200… - a near impossible 25lb jump…)

joshj909 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 17:12

gregregegg wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 17:04 One fc has the best system around right now. But as I have said elsewhere it would be a huge shakeup to implement (the type boxing just couldn’t handle due to its fragmented nature)

To do this you would have to completly re-write the weights, which would involve either stripping everyone and starting again… or negotiating what weight the existing belts should move to (which is a negotiation not only between the people looking out for boxings best intrest but aproximatly 50? Boxing world champs…

I don’t know what they would come to… as some champs cut 5% and some cut 15%… 10% seems like the go, butttt doing that would basically mean every champ that cuts more than 10 % would miss weight in there next defence…

I would like to see it done while sorting out the weights… (112,115,118 being able to become a 3 weight world champ going up 6 lb… vs 175,200… - a near impossible 25lb jump…)

They could implement it for title fights only or maybe all top 15 guys for the alphabet org rankings. You would hope this would have a trickle down effect for the most part as to get ranked at say Welterweight with ambition to fight for the belt, you would need to have reasonable expectations of weighing in at Welterweight for the title. I imagine most would do as they currently do for their first 10-20 fights before making a crack at the title under their new weight. Former champs might struggle if they've been weighing in very differently and then chucked in with what could be heavier guys though.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 19:40 Isn’t it sad though that there is better ideas on a forum that by the actual promoters and governing bodies. This is an excellent forum btw I just mean it’s an indictment of the sport in a way that better ideas come from fans. I really liked Jimmy’s idea as much resistance as it would likely face for the reasons articulated on the thread

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:59

coneye wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:48

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:36

sounds a very fair approach to it if you can see if the person has badly dehydrated themselves, very interesting, I wonder why no one has thought it before?

There would be far too much pressure on any organization that wanted to implement this , from promoters shitting themselves ,if main event gets pulled on the day . . I;m with Coco , same day weigh ins

This is the crux, the bottom line is more important than the health of fighters. My suggestion would save lives and reduce the risk of long term injury but it would mean a few cards would fall through.

maverick23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 10:02

coneye wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:48

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:36

sounds a very fair approach to it if you can see if the person has badly dehydrated themselves, very interesting, I wonder why no one has thought it before?

There would be far too much pressure on any organization that wanted to implement this , from promoters shitting themselves ,if main event gets pulled on the day . . I;m with Coco , same day weigh ins

Same day weigh ins increase the likelihood of guys fighting dehydrated and more chance of serious injury.

There isn’t an easy answer to this.

NazNaci1 wrote: ↑03 Feb 2025, 17:00

maverick23 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 10:02

coneye wrote: ↑02 Feb 2025, 09:48

There would be far too much pressure on any organization that wanted to implement this , from promoters shitting themselves ,if main event gets pulled on the day . . I;m with Coco , same day weigh ins

Same day weigh ins increase the likelihood of guys fighting dehydrated and more chance of serious injury.

There isn’t an easy answer to this.

Same day weigh ins is the only answer, as Coco said.

Boxing is not a sport you mess about with and if you choose to fight dehydrated and risk even more injury, then the fighter and their management are the only ones to blame.

A bit ruthless, I know, but how is it fair allowing guys to blow up, several divisions and gain an unfair advantage and put their opponents at even more risk?

Can't do the weight, then move up.