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Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 05:27
by DrDuke
12 rounds.
Could the Big Bear handle the White Ali?
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 06:32
by EdwardRevolver1993
Fight takes place in America. Usyk toughes out an 8-4 (or 116-112) win on most unofficial scorecards at ringside, but loses a controversial split decision on two official judge's cards.
Suspicions about Liston' criminal ties impacting the decision are starting to fly around...
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 17:18
by scorpio83
Usyk would still get robbed if the fight was under 15 rounds in Muhammad Ali's era like Sonny Liston. Imo, Liston may stick his punishing left jabs and left hooks to either take a decision or stopping him late.
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 28 Feb 2025, 22:32
by DrDuke
EdwardRevolver1993 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2025, 06:32
Fight takes place in America. Usyk toughes out an 8-4 (or 116-112) win on most unofficial scorecards at ringside, but loses a controversial split decision on two official judge's cards.
Suspicions about Liston' criminal ties impacting the decision are starting to fly around...
And what if they told Liston to lose, like the conspiracy about his death suggested?
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 02 Mar 2025, 09:04
by Seamus
Usyk would cautiously jab and probe for openings landing more and more each round until he kayos Liston around the 10th.
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 03 Mar 2025, 12:34
by EdwardRevolver1993
DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Feb 2025, 22:32
EdwardRevolver1993 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2025, 06:32
Fight takes place in America. Usyk toughes out an 8-4 (or 116-112) win on most unofficial scorecards at ringside, but loses a controversial split decision on two official judge's cards.
Suspicions about Liston' criminal ties impacting the decision are starting to fly around...
And what if they told Liston to lose, like the conspiracy about his death suggested?
Hmm
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 05 Mar 2025, 06:56
by keithmoonhangover
Peak Liston is a lot more of a threat to Usyk than Fury and AJ. Unless he's on his toes all night, he's getting hit and hurt.
Over 15 rounds, definitely Liston. Over 12, Usyk definitely has a chance, but I still favour Sonny.
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 14 Mar 2025, 20:18
by Cojimar 1946
Liston doesn't appear to have anyone remotely close to Usyks level on his resume and many of his opponents are the size of light heavyweights
Realistically Usyk is proven against better opponents and likely bigger punchers. Usyk by kayo
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 14 Mar 2025, 23:31
by The Great John L
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 20:18
Liston doesn't appear to have anyone remotely close to Usyks level on his resume...
Okay, that's one opinion.
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 15 Mar 2025, 13:02
by gilgamesh
I'd favor Usyk by UD in a very interesting fight.
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 15 Mar 2025, 14:26
by DrDuke
Usyk's advantages:
- handspeed
- footwork
- reflexes
- chin
Liston's advantages:
- power
- fast start
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 15 Mar 2025, 14:45
by Tony1244
Usyk decision or late round stoppage.
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 15 Mar 2025, 18:26
by The Great John L
Liston stops him in the 5th with a savage body shot.
Usyk takes a close decision in the rematch and then retires.
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 15 Mar 2025, 19:08
by Cojimar 1946
The Great John L wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 23:31
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 20:18
Liston doesn't appear to have anyone remotely close to Usyks level on his resume...
Okay, that's one opinion.
His best opponents are the size of todays light heavyweights. That raises questions about the value of his best wins
Patterson is a light heavyweight by todays standards and he is by far Listons best win
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 15 Mar 2025, 20:05
by The Great John L
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025, 19:08
His best opponents are the size of todays light heavyweights. That raises questions about the value of his best wins
Patterson is a light heavyweight by todays standards and he is by far Listons best win
Perhaps you're not familiar with many of his other opponents?
We'll probably just have to agree to disagree.
Re: Sonny Liston vs Oleksandr Usyk
Posted: 15 Mar 2025, 21:39
by Cojimar 1946
The Great John L wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025, 20:05
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025, 19:08
His best opponents are the size of todays light heavyweights. That raises questions about the value of his best wins
Patterson is a light heavyweight by todays standards and he is by far Listons best win
Perhaps you're not familiar with many of his other opponents?
We'll probably just have to agree to disagree.
His opponents were generally under 200 pounds so about the size of light heavyweights like Bivol, Kovalev etc. I don't think they would be fighting at heavyweight today and some would be light heavyweights.
Certainty Usyks opponents would be favored over Listons opponents
