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Who was the worst heavyweight world champion in your view?

I don't count the alphabets. I voted Leon, which if you think about it, is kind of ironic.

I voted Seldon. The fight against Tyson was , …odd. So much so that it persuaded me to give him the nod

Expug wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025, 19:08 I voted Seldon. The fight against Tyson was , …odd. So much so that it persuaded me to give him the nod

That's who I thought of as well, but there are many solid options available especially if we include all of the alphabet title holders of the past 40 years.

The Great John L wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025, 20:09

Expug wrote: ↑15 Mar 2025, 19:08 I voted Seldon. The fight against Tyson was , …odd. So much so that it persuaded me to give him the nod

That's who I thought of as well, but there are many solid options available especially if we include all of the alphabet title holders of the past 40 years.

You’re right. There are others who quite frankly, I don’t even remember.

As far as Lineal World Champions. The weakest ever is probably Leon Spinks.

As far as Alphabet Titleholders. I think Bruce Seldon, and Charles Martin are on a similar level of suckiness. Martin even only won his title because his opponent blew his knee out. So he won on a fluke TKO, and then was demolished in 2 rounds in his first title defense.

Rahman by virtue of knocking out an ATG Champion is definitely not the worst.

Ruiz may have been boring, but he beat quite a few decent fighters, and racked up a fair amount of title defenses so he's not the worst. Most boring maybe, but not the worst.

Wilder faced a lot of lackluster opposition, but put together a good run of title defenses so he's definitely not a candidate for weakest even of the last 20 years.

John Ruiz. He got the belt because of a gift decision. He was aided by Don King's corrupt promotion and had a row of paid-off refering and judging. He couldn't box, avoided fighting, pretended to be hurt illegally, for example, vs Holy and Haye, he lost to middleweight 2 times..

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Mar 2025, 00:38 John Ruiz. He got the belt because of a gift decision. He was aided by Don King's corrupt promotion and had a row of paid-off refering and judging. He couldn't box, avoided fighting, pretended to be hurt illegally, for example, vs Holy and Haye, he lost to middleweight 2 times..

I hated Ruiz, and rooted STRONGLY for him to lose every time he stepped in the ring, and he's definitely the most boring Heavyweight Champion I can ever recall, but he's not the worst.

He has a win on another one of the guys on this list in fact.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Mar 2025, 10:43

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Mar 2025, 00:38 John Ruiz. He got the belt because of a gift decision. He was aided by Don King's corrupt promotion and had a row of paid-off refering and judging. He couldn't box, avoided fighting, pretended to be hurt illegally, for example, vs Holy and Haye, he lost to middleweight 2 times..

I hated Ruiz, and rooted STRONGLY for him to lose every time he stepped in the ring, and he's definitely the most boring Heavyweight Champion I can ever recall, but he's not the worst.

He has a win on another one of the guys on this list in fact.

People under rate Ruiz all the time. He was super boring but he was very effective.
Far from the worst champion

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Mar 2025, 10:43

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Mar 2025, 00:38 John Ruiz. He got the belt because of a gift decision. He was aided by Don King's corrupt promotion and had a row of paid-off refering and judging. He couldn't box, avoided fighting, pretended to be hurt illegally, for example, vs Holy and Haye, he lost to middleweight 2 times..

I hated Ruiz, and rooted STRONGLY for him to lose every time he stepped in the ring, and he's definitely the most boring Heavyweight Champion I can ever recall, but he's not the worst.

He has a win on another one of the guys on this list in fact.

I rooted for him only vs Valuev.

He has a number of occasions, where he should have been given a loss instead of a win.

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025, 01:57

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Mar 2025, 10:43

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Mar 2025, 00:38 John Ruiz. He got the belt because of a gift decision. He was aided by Don King's corrupt promotion and had a row of paid-off refering and judging. He couldn't box, avoided fighting, pretended to be hurt illegally, for example, vs Holy and Haye, he lost to middleweight 2 times..

I hated Ruiz, and rooted STRONGLY for him to lose every time he stepped in the ring, and he's definitely the most boring Heavyweight Champion I can ever recall, but he's not the worst.

He has a win on another one of the guys on this list in fact.

I rooted for him only vs Valuev.

He has a number of occasions, where he should have been given a loss instead of a win.

I thought he was lucky to get the draw in the 3rd Holyfield fight, and James Toney beat him only for the result to be reversed due to Toney having steroids in his system. Golota was another one he scraped by in. Very courageous comeback for Ruiz in that fight though after a horrendous start. That's probably the best John Ruiz fight I ever saw actually.

Excluding the time he got flattened in less than 20 seconds by Tua

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025, 11:55

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025, 01:57

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Mar 2025, 10:43

I hated Ruiz, and rooted STRONGLY for him to lose every time he stepped in the ring, and he's definitely the most boring Heavyweight Champion I can ever recall, but he's not the worst.

He has a win on another one of the guys on this list in fact.

I rooted for him only vs Valuev.

He has a number of occasions, where he should have been given a loss instead of a win.

I thought he was lucky to get the draw in the 3rd Holyfield fight, and James Toney beat him only for the result to be reversed due to Toney having steroids in his system. Golota was another one he scraped by in. Very courageous comeback for Ruiz in that fight though after a horrendous start. That's probably the best John Ruiz fight I ever saw actually.

Excluding the time he got flattened in less than 20 seconds by Tua

He avoided Tua like the plague after that. In my day someone calling themself a fighter sought to avenge a defeat.

stiverne gotta be well up there counting all the titlists

One crucial group of Champions that all belongs at least in this conversation is any of the guys who never managed to make 1 successful defense of their title after winning it.

As far as the 0 title defenses Champions go. Off the top of my head we got.

Jess Willard
Jack Sharkey
Ingemar Johansson
Buster Douglas
Charles Martin
Oleg Maskaev
Frank Bruno
Trevor Berbick
Bonecrusher Smith

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025, 12:55 stiverne gotta be well up there counting all the titlists

Yep. He's another in the Lost his title without 1 successful defense crowd.

maskaev did make 1 defence actually - against one of the worst challengers ever, okello peter. pretty sure id never even heard of that dude until maskaev fought him

If you're including all the cereal packet trinket holders, then the choice is too vast.

For every Michael Bentt, there's a Charles Martin, Frank Bruno or Bermaine Stiverne to consider.

If you're sticking to the lineal champions, then it's Marvin Hart, with a small side order of Leon Spinks.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025, 13:13 maskaev did make 1 defence actually - against one of the worst challengers ever, okello peter. pretty sure id never even heard of that dude until maskaev fought him

Was this Okello fella Samuel Peter's little brother or something?

Weird that he fought 2 dudes named Peter in his 2 title defenses seeing as how it's not a particularly common last name.

Well if you are talking alphabet belts, TREVOR BRYAN , LUCAS BROWNE & RUSLAN CHAGAEV were all pretty ordinary, As were MANUEL CHARR & FRES OQUENDO.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025, 13:06 One crucial group of Champions that all belongs at least in this conversation is any of the guys who never managed to make 1 successful defense of their title after winning it.

As far as the 0 title defenses Champions go. Off the top of my head we got.

Jess Willard
Jack Sharkey
Ingemar Johansson
Buster Douglas
Charles Martin
Oleg Maskaev
Frank Bruno
Trevor Berbick
Bonecrusher Smith

Tony Tucker
Michael Bentt
Leon Spinks

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025, 13:06 One crucial group of Champions that all belongs at least in this conversation is any of the guys who never managed to make 1 successful defense of their title after winning it.

As far as the 0 title defenses Champions go. Off the top of my head we got.

Jess Willard
Jack Sharkey
Ingemar Johansson
Buster Douglas
Charles Martin
Oleg Maskaev
Frank Bruno
Trevor Berbick
Bonecrusher Smith

Isn't "John Tate" another zero title defenses HW Champ..?

Willard had a winning defence against Frank Moran before losing to Dempsey.

If it’s alphabet belts, Charles Martin, for me. Wins a belt when his opponents suffers a knee injury and gets blown out in 2 rounds in his first “defense”

giacomino wrote: ↑19 Jun 2025, 11:57 If it’s alphabet belts, Charles Martin, for me. Wins a belt when his opponents suffers a knee injury and gets blown out in 2 rounds in his first “defense”

Ya that title win deserves an asterisk more than the one given to Roger Maris for the 61 homers