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15 rounds MSG, who ya got?

The question is if Tyson Fury has the punch to hurt Smokin' Joe Frazier. Well, he is 6'9" with 277lbs+. Can he hurt Frazier? Does he had a wallop punch like Muhammad Ali and George Foreman or Mike Tyson?

I don't think so. But he could put his 277lbs body on top of Frazier to wear him down.

Frazier mauls Fury with the non-stop bodypunching and scores a TKO in late rounds.

Smokin' Joe would wear Fury down with his body attack non-stop and landing big left hooks to the head to either take a decision or stopping Fury late under the 15 rounder.

Fury does well early using his height and reach to pick off Frazier with jabs, and straight lefts, piling up points. He's missing a lot due to Frazier's head movement, but he's getting in some as well, and winning most of the early rounds.

Frazier is trudging forward, and digging to Fury's body as often as he can. PIcking up the pace more and more with each passing round. By the end of Round 4 he's starting to get to Fury with the body punches, and getting in the occasional head shot.

As the fight goes on, Fury's movement slows more and more. Frazier's face is lumped up, but Fury's cut and bleeding, and breathing heavily himself, and Frazier just keeps coming. Chopping him down. Steadily getting in heavy body shots, and landing good punches to Fury's head when he can. Fury has a few comeback rounds in him, but the energy it takes him to try to change the momentum, combined with the steady body attack of Frazier takes what's left of him out, and Joe dominates the final stretch of the fight on his way to either a Unanimous Decision or late round KO.

One question I got for y'all. How come Joe Frazier never beats George Foreman in your view, but he could beat someone bigger and taller than Foreman? Are we moving the posts here?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑25 Mar 2025, 22:57 One question I got for y'all. How come Joe Frazier never beats George Foreman in your view, but he could beat someone bigger and taller than Foreman? Are we moving the posts here?

Size is only 1 factor when considering a matchup, and usually not the most important one.

Fury may be taller, and heavier than Foreman, but he doesn't hit nearly as hard, and fights more on the backfoot. You rarely ever see Fury as the aggressor in any of his fights.

Foreman's style was all wrong for Frazier. I don't think Fury's is.

This is not to say that Fury would be a cakewalk for Joe. He'd definitely have his share of difficulties with him, but I think he could beat Fury.

Styles make fights as they say. I also would give Fury a better chance at beating Foreman than Joe had.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑25 Mar 2025, 22:57 One question I got for y'all. How come Joe Frazier never beats George Foreman in your view, but he could beat someone bigger and taller than Foreman? Are we moving the posts here?

George Foreman was Olympic Gold Medalist, who also mopped the floor with Ken Norton. If it was just about size, then Ali would have beaten Joe three times, not just two. And if it was just about size, Fury would have beaten Usyk, which he did not.

Your obsession with size is silly. If it was so important, Valuev would be the GOAT and Mike White have dominated the late 80's and early 90's.

No reason Tommy Hearns couldn't have won the Light Heavyweight title when he was 147. Emmanuel Steward said he decked LHW's in sparring when he was a welterweight. Size doesn't really matter, why even have weight classes.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 09:40

elmersalsa wrote: ↑25 Mar 2025, 22:57 One question I got for y'all. How come Joe Frazier never beats George Foreman in your view, but he could beat someone bigger and taller than Foreman? Are we moving the posts here?

George Foreman was Olympic Gold Medalist, who also mopped the floor with Ken Norton. If it was just about size, then Ali would have beaten Joe three times, not just two. And if it was just about size, Fury would have beaten Usyk, which he did not.

Your obsession with size is silly. If it was so important, Valuev would be the GOAT and Mike White have dominated the late 80's and early 90's.

Tyson Fury is big and talented, just like George Foreman.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 14:28 just like George Foreman.

He is absolutely nothing like George Foreman

Seamus wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 12:03 No reason Tommy Hearns couldn't have won the Light Heavyweight title when he was 147. Emmanuel Steward said he decked LHW's in sparring when he was a welterweight. Size doesn't really matter, why even have weight classes.

it matters up to a point, then it stops being advantage. Then later a disadvantage. In football, a quarterback probably is not going to be too good if he weights 150 pounds. He also isn't if he weighs 300 pounds.

Not sure why this such a hard concept for some people and other people have no problem getting it.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑25 Mar 2025, 22:57 One question I got for y'all. How come Joe Frazier never beats George Foreman in your view, but he could beat someone bigger and taller than Foreman? Are we moving the posts here?

They are of different styles. It wasn't about size. Frazier defeated guys bigger than Foreman. The thing is, Foreman had tools to best Frazier, while Fury had no such stuff.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 20:02

Seamus wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 12:03 No reason Tommy Hearns couldn't have won the Light Heavyweight title when he was 147. Emmanuel Steward said he decked LHW's in sparring when he was a welterweight. Size doesn't really matter, why even have weight classes.

it matters up to a point, then it stops being advantage. Then later a disadvantage. In football, a quarterback probably is not going to be too good if he weights 150 pounds. He also isn't if he weighs 300 pounds.

Not sure why this such a hard concept for some people and other people have no problem getting it.

The daft thing about this size thing, which elmer chooses to ignore, is that Fury just lost back to back fights to a guy who's the same height as Ali. That's all the proof they need.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 06:27

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 20:02

Seamus wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 12:03 No reason Tommy Hearns couldn't have won the Light Heavyweight title when he was 147. Emmanuel Steward said he decked LHW's in sparring when he was a welterweight. Size doesn't really matter, why even have weight classes.

it matters up to a point, then it stops being advantage. Then later a disadvantage. In football, a quarterback probably is not going to be too good if he weights 150 pounds. He also isn't if he weighs 300 pounds.

Not sure why this such a hard concept for some people and other people have no problem getting it.

The daft thing about this size thing, which elmer chooses to ignore, is that Fury just lost back to back fights to a guy who's the same height as Ali. That's all the proof they need.

I don't ignore those facts. But, you ignored the fact that Joe Louis was dropped by Two Ton Tony Galento of all people. Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Talento wasn't even a boxer. He was a drinking stiff that took boxing as a way to feed his family. Not a choice of being a real boxer.

Now, Joe Frazier cannot beat George Foreman, but he could beat someone five inches taller than Foreman, and weighed in at least 60 pounds more than Foreman in his prime days.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 12:13

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 06:27

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 20:02

it matters up to a point, then it stops being advantage. Then later a disadvantage. In football, a quarterback probably is not going to be too good if he weights 150 pounds. He also isn't if he weighs 300 pounds.

Not sure why this such a hard concept for some people and other people have no problem getting it.

The daft thing about this size thing, which elmer chooses to ignore, is that Fury just lost back to back fights to a guy who's the same height as Ali. That's all the proof they need.

I don't ignore those facts. But, you ignored the fact that Joe Louis was dropped by Two Ton Tony Galento of all people. Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Talento wasn't even a boxer. He was a drinking stiff that took boxing as a way to feed his family. Not a choice of being a real boxer.

Now, Joe Frazier cannot beat George Foreman, but he could beat someone five inches taller than Foreman, and weighed in at least 60 pounds more than Foreman in his prime days.

I mean...Steve Cunningham dropped Fury. Steve Cunningham isn't exactly known as a Heavyweight dynamo.

Otto Wallin cut him badly with a punch that almost ended the fight, and Wallin has done nothing else of note really in his career.

Francis Ngannou dropped Fury in his debut, and was obliterated in his 2nd Boxing match, and holds an 0-2 record.

So yeah actually...I can imagine Galento dropping Fury to be quite honest.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 12:13

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 06:27

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025, 20:02

it matters up to a point, then it stops being advantage. Then later a disadvantage. In football, a quarterback probably is not going to be too good if he weights 150 pounds. He also isn't if he weighs 300 pounds.

Not sure why this such a hard concept for some people and other people have no problem getting it.

The daft thing about this size thing, which elmer chooses to ignore, is that Fury just lost back to back fights to a guy who's the same height as Ali. That's all the proof they need.

I don't ignore those facts. But, you ignored the fact that Joe Louis was dropped by Two Ton Tony Galento of all people. Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Talento wasn't even a boxer. He was a drinking stiff that took boxing as a way to feed his family. Not a choice of being a real boxer.

Now, Joe Frazier cannot beat George Foreman, but he could beat someone five inches taller than Foreman, and weighed in at least 60 pounds more than Foreman in his prime days.

He was dropped and he came back to win. I don't see Galento dropping Fury, but I don't see Neven Pajkić dropping Joe Louis, do you?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 13:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 12:13

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 06:27

The daft thing about this size thing, which elmer chooses to ignore, is that Fury just lost back to back fights to a guy who's the same height as Ali. That's all the proof they need.

I don't ignore those facts. But, you ignored the fact that Joe Louis was dropped by Two Ton Tony Galento of all people. Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Talento wasn't even a boxer. He was a drinking stiff that took boxing as a way to feed his family. Not a choice of being a real boxer.

Now, Joe Frazier cannot beat George Foreman, but he could beat someone five inches taller than Foreman, and weighed in at least 60 pounds more than Foreman in his prime days.

He was dropped and he came back to win. I don't see Galento dropping Fury, but I don't see Neven Pajkić dropping Joe Louis, do you?

Yeah honestly out of all the controversial results on Fury's record. The Pajkic fight might be the most egregious one since the referee stopped it just kinda out of the blue when Pajkic was still very much in the fight, and a threat to win it.

Interestingly Pajkic only fought once more after that bout. I'll bet he felt disillusioned by what happened there, and I don't blame him.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 12:50

elmersalsa wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 12:13

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 06:27

The daft thing about this size thing, which elmer chooses to ignore, is that Fury just lost back to back fights to a guy who's the same height as Ali. That's all the proof they need.

I don't ignore those facts. But, you ignored the fact that Joe Louis was dropped by Two Ton Tony Galento of all people. Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Talento wasn't even a boxer. He was a drinking stiff that took boxing as a way to feed his family. Not a choice of being a real boxer.

Now, Joe Frazier cannot beat George Foreman, but he could beat someone five inches taller than Foreman, and weighed in at least 60 pounds more than Foreman in his prime days.

I mean...Steve Cunningham dropped Fury. Steve Cunningham isn't exactly known as a Heavyweight dynamo.

Otto Wallin cut him badly with a punch that almost ended the fight, and Wallin has done nothing else of note really in his career.

Francis Ngannou dropped Fury in his debut, and was obliterated in his 2nd Boxing match, and holds an 0-2 record.

So yeah actually...I can imagine Galento dropping Fury to be quite honest.

No way. Two Ton Tony Galento wasn't a real boxer. He worked as an ice block carrier for a living.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 13:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 12:13

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 06:27

The daft thing about this size thing, which elmer chooses to ignore, is that Fury just lost back to back fights to a guy who's the same height as Ali. That's all the proof they need.

I don't ignore those facts. But, you ignored the fact that Joe Louis was dropped by Two Ton Tony Galento of all people. Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Talento wasn't even a boxer. He was a drinking stiff that took boxing as a way to feed his family. Not a choice of being a real boxer.

Now, Joe Frazier cannot beat George Foreman, but he could beat someone five inches taller than Foreman, and weighed in at least 60 pounds more than Foreman in his prime days.

He was dropped and he came back to win. I don't see Galento dropping Fury, but I don't see Neven Pajkić dropping Joe Louis, do you?

If Two Ton Tony Galento dropped Joe Louis, then Neven Pakjic, a real heavyweight drops Louis. Galento worked was an ice block carrier for a living. Not a real heavyweight boxer. Pakjic was a real boxer.

Wait a minute. Galento knocked down Louis? That changes everything. why haven't you ever mention this before?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025, 15:04

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 13:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 12:13
I don't ignore those facts. But, you ignored the fact that Joe Louis was dropped by Two Ton Tony Galento of all people. Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Talento wasn't even a boxer. He was a drinking stiff that took boxing as a way to feed his family. Not a choice of being a real boxer.

Now, Joe Frazier cannot beat George Foreman, but he could beat someone five inches taller than Foreman, and weighed in at least 60 pounds more than Foreman in his prime days.

He was dropped and he came back to win. I don't see Galento dropping Fury, but I don't see Neven Pajkić dropping Joe Louis, do you?

If Two Ton Tony Galento dropped Joe Louis, then Neven Pakjic, a real heavyweight drops Louis. Galento worked was an ice block carrier for a living. Not a real heavyweight boxer. Pakjic was a real boxer.

Galento was a contender. Pakjic was a million miles away from that.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025, 15:04

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 13:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025, 12:13
I don't ignore those facts. But, you ignored the fact that Joe Louis was dropped by Two Ton Tony Galento of all people. Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Talento wasn't even a boxer. He was a drinking stiff that took boxing as a way to feed his family. Not a choice of being a real boxer.

Now, Joe Frazier cannot beat George Foreman, but he could beat someone five inches taller than Foreman, and weighed in at least 60 pounds more than Foreman in his prime days.

He was dropped and he came back to win. I don't see Galento dropping Fury, but I don't see Neven Pajkić dropping Joe Louis, do you?

If Two Ton Tony Galento dropped Joe Louis, then Neven Pakjic, a real heavyweight drops Louis. Galento worked was an ice block carrier for a living. Not a real heavyweight boxer. Pakjic was a real boxer.

Question for you elmer. Galento's best win was against Lou Nova. Does Pakjic have any wins of that quality? You don't answer this question.

Galento has numerous losses to guys who are light heavyweights by todays standards. It seems doubtful he would be a top contender today

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025, 17:39 Galento has numerous losses to guys who are light heavyweights by todays standards. It seems doubtful he would be a top contender today

No, but at 5'7" and 233lbs, beats all of today's giants. I am having a laugh of my this. This is like the Moon Landing arguments.