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Opinion on the super welterweight/junior middleweight division
Posted: 18 May 2025, 20:18
by GordonChen
Where do you rate 154 as a division?
Re: Opinion on the super welterweight/junior middleweight division
Posted: 19 May 2025, 12:39
by gilgamesh
There's been some good fights there throughout Boxing history, however to me this is one of those Boxing weight classes that really shouldn't exist. Most of the Super/Jr's just kinda water down the sport.
Great fights or not. It just kinda muddies the water having 17 weight classes in a Combat Sport, and this is one I'd cut. So that's my opinion of it as a weight class.
I've seen several great fighters and great fights take place in it though. So I can't sh*t on the fights themselves. Just the idea to create the weight class to begin with.
Re: Opinion on the super welterweight/junior middleweight division
Posted: 19 May 2025, 14:21
by elmersalsa
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 12:39
There's been some good fights there throughout Boxing history, however to me this is one of those Boxing weight classes that really shouldn't exist. Most of the Super/Jr's just kinda water down the sport.
Great fights or not. It just kinda muddies the water having 17 weight classes in a Combat Sport, and this is one I'd cut. So that's my opinion of it as a weight class.
I've seen several great fighters and great fights take place in it though. So I can't sh*t on the fights themselves. Just the idea to create the weight class to begin with.
Re: Opinion on the super welterweight/junior middleweight division
Posted: 25 May 2025, 13:27
by GordonChen
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Re: Opinion on the super welterweight/junior middleweight division
Posted: 26 May 2025, 20:00
by Ambling Alp II
If the choice is between the traditional 8 weight classes and the 17 weight classes that we have today (which of course includes the Jr Middleweight class) then I would say bye bye Jr Middleweight class.
However, it certainly would not be the first weight class that should go. There are certainly guys whose best fighting weight would probably be in the low-mid 150s and would not be at their best at welterweight or middleweight.
I would get rid of some of the low weights. We don't need weight classes at 105, 108, 112, 115, and 118. There is never any depth at these weight classes. Lets just have 112 (flyweight) and (118 bantamweight).
In fact, we probably should get rid of Jr feather, jr lightweight, and jr welterweight before jr middleweight.
Historically, there have been more memorable fights at 154 than at these Jr weight classes.
Re: Opinion on the super welterweight/junior middleweight division
Posted: 26 May 2025, 20:41
by gilgamesh
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 May 2025, 20:00
If the choice is between the traditional 8 weight classes and the 17 weight classes that we have today (which of course includes the Jr Middleweight class) then I would say bye bye Jr Middleweight class.
However, it certainly would not be the first weight class that should go. There are certainly guys whose best fighting weight would probably be in the low-mid 150s and would not be at their best at welterweight or middleweight.
I would get rid of some of the low weights. We don't need weight classes at 105, 108, 112, 115, and 118. There is never any depth at these weight classes. Lets just have 112 (flyweight) and (118 bantamweight).
In fact, we probably should get rid of Jr feather, jr lightweight, and jr welterweight before jr middleweight.
Historically, there have been more memorable fights at 154 than at these Jr weight classes.
I'd personally Eliminate all of the Jr/Super divisions, but I'd agree that 154 isn't one of the weakest among them.
Of all the Jr. divisions. 140 and 154 have probably historically had the best fighters in them. 130 has had it's moments as well.
Re: Opinion on the super welterweight/junior middleweight division
Posted: 26 May 2025, 21:13
by Seamus
Too many weight classes and too many belts aren't the problem. Never has been. I'm not saying they're necessarily a good thing either. The real problem is failure to get the best fighters in the ring with each other, i,e Floyd and PacMan when they were younger, Jones v Michalczewski, Lewis v Bowe, etc.
Re: Opinion on the super welterweight/junior middleweight division
Posted: 29 May 2025, 20:35
by Ambling Alp II
It's a problem, it just isn't the biggest problem.
Getting the best fighters against each is a bigger problem. For several years, Pac vs Mayweather was by far the biggest fight out there. Then it happens way too late. That really hurt the sport at the time and it has just declined ever since. Obviously other cases as well.
I do think in some cases there would be more interesting fights if there were less weight classes. If a guy is the best at one weight class, he might not be that inclined to move up a whopping 3 pounds and fight someone a lot better than anyone else in his current weight class.
But as I said before, I'm fine with Jr Middleweight. It's the lower weight classes that need to be eliminated.