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I really digged Maurico Lara and Florian Marku. Neither of them really amounted to anything. Well Lara had a great victory over Wood but turned out he was a drug cheat. Also Edis Tatli could have been someting but no one was willing to fight him.

And then theres of course Tank and Haney...

Josh Kelly.

Louis Ortiz

Hughie fury

Gassiev.

The charlos.

Jalov, yoka, Dychco.

Gorman

Milas

Strong heavyweight bias, I guess it s the Div where someone can seem like a sure thing and not be.

victor ortiz, still won a world title, but he was so good offensively and with that couldve done a lot more with his head on straight

Kelly Pavlik was a letdown after becoming Champion.

I suppose Gervonta Davis has been a letdown his whole career as he kinda seemed like he was a fighter on the way up, and he just kinda stayed a fighter on the way up without ever going up

Buatsi, eubank, billy joe, kell brook, brock jarvis, Thurman,

Joan Guzman and Frankie Gavin come to mind.

The one that stands out the most at the moment imo is "Bahkrum Murtalaziev".
Hopefully I spelled his name correctly.
He has basically seemingly disappeared or fallen into The Bermuda Triangle after his Epic Victory over "Tim Tsyzu".

Current active boxers id go:
Bakhodir Jalolov- underwhelming double Olympic gold medalist yet has fought next to no one, and his next fight vs Cardillo continues the trend.

Nicholas Walters- icing Donaire and Dorchinyan, then quitting vs Loma and disappearing then coming back this year and not looking the same.

Keith Thurman- I know he’s a former unified world champ at 147 but I still think he could have been even better if it wasn’t for the injuries and the time out the ring.

HM- Andy Ruiz/Jared Anderson/Demetrius Andrade/Joshua Buatsi

Pavliks decision to take slightly more money to fight hopkins rather than winky wright is an all time bad decision

Fighters who are wastes of talent disappoint me. Joan guzman is high up for me

James toney could have been the best ever if he would have ate less food

This goes back a ways, but, a few who won alphabet belts but could have had better careers:
Danny Romero
Jorge Castro (trained by fighting and ate his way from welterweight to cruiserweight)
Hugo Garay
Leeonzer Barber
Pablo Chacon

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025, 23:18 Pavliks decision to take slightly more money to fight hopkins rather than winky wright is an all time bad decision

Fighters who are wastes of talent disappoint me. Joan guzman is high up for me

James toney could have been the best ever if he would have ate less food

I think he would've been beaten by Winky for less money. Would've have been the domination that Hopkins did, but beaten by Wright.

Odlanier Solís has to be up there. Outstanding amateur, was fat and lazy the minute he turned pro.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 16:25

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025, 23:18 Pavliks decision to take slightly more money to fight hopkins rather than winky wright is an all time bad decision

Fighters who are wastes of talent disappoint me. Joan guzman is high up for me

James toney could have been the best ever if he would have ate less food

I think he would've been beaten by Winky for less money. Would've have been the domination that Hopkins did, but beaten by Wright.

I dont think so. Winky was small for 160, didnt fight at angles like hop/martinez and stood right in front of people

I think it would have been even

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 19:15

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 16:25

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025, 23:18 Pavliks decision to take slightly more money to fight hopkins rather than winky wright is an all time bad decision

Fighters who are wastes of talent disappoint me. Joan guzman is high up for me

James toney could have been the best ever if he would have ate less food

I think he would've been beaten by Winky for less money. Would've have been the domination that Hopkins did, but beaten by Wright.

I dont think so. Winky was small for 160, didnt fight at angles like hop/martinez and stood right in front of people

I think it would have been even

Pavlik is slow of hand and foot, no lateral movement and best victory outside of Taylor is Edison Miranda. He's never given me indication that he could comfortably beat someone like Winky. Even when the Hopkins fight was announced, I was shocked by those thinking he would walk through Hopkins. When Taylor realized his power wouldn't pull through, he gave Winky trouble with movements and angles, something Pavlik didn't have.

Mauricio Lara was a great choice, imo.

giacomino wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 15:05 This goes back a ways, but, a few who won alphabet belts but could have had better careers:
Danny Romero
Jorge Castro (trained by fighting and ate his way from welterweight to cruiserweight)
Hugo Garay
Leeonzer Barber
Pablo Chacon

Good call on Romero and Castro.
I remember both of them fellows.
Romero was initially billed as a Mike Tyson of The Flyweight division. He was one Huge 112 lb'er with Huge Power.
Castro was a Tank, Durability wise, and also was equipped with a Great Stamina capacity. The proverbial Action Fighter.

giacomino wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 15:05Hugo Garay

That's a name I had totally forgotten about. I remember him being one tough looking dude, but not much about his career. Did you fell he had a lot of potential?

Lots of pointless boxers that were hyped and amounted to very little. Hearn was the perfect salesman in the last 10 years.

JC wrote: ↑19 Jun 2025, 10:54

giacomino wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 15:05Hugo Garay

That's a name I had totally forgotten about. I remember him being one tough looking dude, but not much about his career. Did you fell he had a lot of potential?

I thought he won at least one of the fights with Erdei (definitely the first) but they were in Germany and nobody was getting a win against Erdei there. I was impressed with how he won a belt, then pretty much dominated a highly regarded Braehmer. But then he just got outworked by Campillo and kind of fell off the wagon. I thought he had a good work rate and (until then) a solid chin, what he lacked was stopping power. He could have been an alphabet belt holder longer than the year that he was, but he was pretty well done before he turned 30

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 20:11

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 19:15

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 16:25

I think he would've been beaten by Winky for less money. Would've have been the domination that Hopkins did, but beaten by Wright.

I dont think so. Winky was small for 160, didnt fight at angles like hop/martinez and stood right in front of people

I think it would have been even

Pavlik is slow of hand and foot, no lateral movement and best victory outside of Taylor is Edison Miranda. He's never given me indication that he could comfortably beat someone like Winky. Even when the Hopkins fight was announced, I was shocked by those thinking he would walk through Hopkins. When Taylor realized his power wouldn't pull through, he gave Winky trouble with movements and angles, something Pavlik didn't have.

After his fights with Taylor I would like to have seen Pavlik fight any of: Abraham, Williams, Sturm, Mundine and Wright.... all of whom HBO talking heads were naming as potential opponents.
......but Kelly and his team tried to cherry-pick an old-man with name value and it back-fired big time.

Audley Harrison - Olympic champion, turns pro with all that hype, gives it the chat, then as soon as he fights someone that could hit him back, he becomes terrified of his own shadow.

Honourable mention to Dominick Guinn whom, along with Harrison, I thought were going to rule the division post Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield, but nothing of the sort happened.

I always thought Frankie Gomez i think he was a welterweight, was going to do something but he just disappeared

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 20:11

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 19:15

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025, 16:25

I think he would've been beaten by Winky for less money. Would've have been the domination that Hopkins did, but beaten by Wright.

I dont think so. Winky was small for 160, didnt fight at angles like hop/martinez and stood right in front of people

I think it would have been even

Pavlik is slow of hand and foot, no lateral movement and best victory outside of Taylor is Edison Miranda. He's never given me indication that he could comfortably beat someone like Winky. Even when the Hopkins fight was announced, I was shocked by those thinking he would walk through Hopkins. When Taylor realized his power wouldn't pull through, he gave Winky trouble with movements and angles, something Pavlik didn't have.

- After Pavlik won the title in his epic Taylor series that was quite impressive, he sorta went off the wagon in celebration and ended up putting a fist through a window that resulted in some permanent physical damage and blood infection that may have put him in ICU, but it's been a while and full details are now hazy. Neither he and most especially Taylor have ever been the same as substance abusers.

40-2, 35 KOs ain't shabby. He came, he saw, he conquered and then made a soft landing.

Panchito Bojado and Felix Verdejo

those two