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I have seen a bit of stuff regarding RJJ and PEDs

I am a bit on the fence with this one. One thing I will say is that sometimes the line between supplement and PED is blurred.
He failed a PED test against Richard Hall Androstenedione. At the time and probably still it is present in different medications and supplements so Jones' defence that it was something he bought over the counter that he didn't know contained it, is plausible.
Jones Jr didn't have a huge amount of his fights during his prime in Vegas, where Nevada, if I understand correctly, had the strictest enforcement of doping in the US. The simple explanation is despite how good he was, Jones Jr wasn't a massive draw so had to sell his fights to the 'lesser' areas outside of Vegas. His PPV numbers would reflect that. Even his fight against Ruiz only sold 600k.
Some people will point to his body as proof. I'm not sure it disproves or proves anything. I would say his abs were the standout difference when talking about fighters shape. When boxings greatest workouts came out, I do remember thinking that RJJ did a lot more ab work than the other guys in the book. How accurate the books were is up for debate. I don't think his body was out of this world for a professional athlete. From what I have read it sounds like he took his diet very seriously all year round and all career long. There wasn't a real body change that I could see from his amatuer days. He put on size, but the body shape stayed more or less the same.
I look at the timing of his decline which was in his mid 30s. That is about the right time. His decline could have been hidden by fairly weak competition so could have started earlier. Tarver was the best guy he had fought for years. It isn't a cure all but you expect guys who are doing PEDs to not decline at the same time as the more natural ones.
From All reports his work ethic was amazing, even amongst other great fighters. That is not proof one way or the other. PEDs help recovery so you can work hard. If you have an incredible work ethic your natural gifts are just gifts from working extremely hard.

I personally wouldn't be surprised either way. I find it hard to believe that these guys weren't on something that is morally questionable but within the rules, especially at the time. The line between PEDs and 'supplements' is certainly blurred with some athletes being experts on what they can and can't use, how much of something they can use etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if many fighters were on something then as testing wasn’t that great. If he was taking PEDS for Richard Hall (who also tested positive) then why wouldn’t he for the bigger names he fought? I guess we will never know but if it’s as widespread as many claim it is today where testing is even better then why wouldn’t it be decades ago. PEDS won’t make someone a better fighter but it certainly makes good fighters perform better.

Look at him

You dont look like that without peds

I don't doubt that he probably took something, and if so he never really got in any serious trouble for it so a tip of the hat to Mr. Jones.

Don't really see any reason to bring up something like this about a guy that's well into retirement.

From LHW to Ruiz he was most certainly juiced to the grills.

Been a couple decades but if I remember right:
RJjr was using Ripped Fuel for the Ruiz fight.
Ripped Fuel was NOT banned by the presiding commission or sanctioning body(WBA) at the time of the fight.

It had already been banned in most other jurisdictions, sports and at least one other sanctioning body(WBC) though.

The story as I nknow it is he failed multiple tests throughout his acreer but had a team of lawyers who always got him off the hook. For the Tarver fight his legal team advised him he could no longer take whatever he was on - they would not be able to defend him. From then on he was not on the saem PEDs.

He was still a talent who beat up a lot of nobodies. His P4P reign was a low point for the sport.

There was always some debate as to whether he ever really was P4P #1 as I recall, but his time was certainly not a low point for the sport. Boxing in the 1990's was pretty awesome

If Jones really did fail multiple PED tests that were covered up as Ezzard claims, then Jones' reign as PFP # 1 is a low point for boxing.

Manny Pacquiao did just as much if not more PED's as Roy.

Manny's head even got bigger.

If Roy was or wasn't on PED's means as much as if Manny was. Nothing.

People only care about PED usage if its not a favorite of there's getting accused of it. If it's someone they're a fan of, they don't care.

I prefer to not be a hypocrite and simply never care.

Ezzard wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 03:16 The story as I nknow it is he failed multiple tests throughout his acreer but had a team of lawyers who always got him off the hook. For the Tarver fight his legal team advised him he could no longer take whatever he was on - they would not be able to defend him. From then on he was not on the saem PEDs.

He was still a talent who beat up a lot of nobodies. His P4P reign was a low point for the sport.

Do you have any sources for this one? Would make an interesting read.

p4p1 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 22:12

Ezzard wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 03:16 The story as I nknow it is he failed multiple tests throughout his acreer but had a team of lawyers who always got him off the hook. For the Tarver fight his legal team advised him he could no longer take whatever he was on - they would not be able to defend him. From then on he was not on the saem PEDs.

He was still a talent who beat up a lot of nobodies. His P4P reign was a low point for the sport.

Do you have any sources for this one? Would make an interesting read.

A journalist had it all documented on a web site that then got remvoed some years back. Tarver knew Jones was no longer on the juice and went into the fight confident.

goose 5 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 20:11 If Jones really did fail multiple PED tests that were covered up as Ezzard claims, then Jones' reign as PFP # 1 is a low point for boxing.

Don't forget Mayweather with the drip in his arm and all the Pac rumours.

And don't forget everything Usyk and Crawford are on right now that you ain't hearing about. Because they only fight once a year which gives them plenty of time to cycle on and cycle off of a PED.

Ezzard wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025, 04:03

p4p1 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 22:12

Ezzard wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 03:16 The story as I nknow it is he failed multiple tests throughout his acreer but had a team of lawyers who always got him off the hook. For the Tarver fight his legal team advised him he could no longer take whatever he was on - they would not be able to defend him. From then on he was not on the saem PEDs.

He was still a talent who beat up a lot of nobodies. His P4P reign was a low point for the sport.

Do you have any sources for this one? Would make an interesting read.

A journalist had it all documented on a web site that then got remvoed some years back. Tarver knew Jones was no longer on the juice and went into the fight confident.

So the answer is NO you don't have a source to support your claim.

Save a nameless journalist on a nameless website that conveniently had the content removed.
I thought your source would be an interesting read too but you don't have one.


I said straight out that I was going only on memory and may be wrong.

You're just throwing out accusations and acting like it's all facts.

Ezzard wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025, 04:03

p4p1 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 22:12

Ezzard wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 03:16 The story as I nknow it is he failed multiple tests throughout his acreer but had a team of lawyers who always got him off the hook. For the Tarver fight his legal team advised him he could no longer take whatever he was on - they would not be able to defend him. From then on he was not on the saem PEDs.

He was still a talent who beat up a lot of nobodies. His P4P reign was a low point for the sport.

Do you have any sources for this one? Would make an interesting read.

A journalist had it all documented on a web site that then got remvoed some years back. Tarver knew Jones was no longer on the juice and went into the fight confident.

Surely that would’ve been copied and pasted across numerous forums including boxrec?

I did find something on another forum but the member who was posting the articles always called him Roid Jones which made it a bit harder. If you search that term it will pop up.
It mostly talks about the Richard Hall fight and the mishandling by the commission and the IBF, WBA, WBC.

Perseus wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025, 17:10

Ezzard wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025, 04:03

p4p1 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2025, 22:12

Do you have any sources for this one? Would make an interesting read.

A journalist had it all documented on a web site that then got remvoed some years back. Tarver knew Jones was no longer on the juice and went into the fight confident.

So the answer is NO you don't have a source to support your claim.

Save a nameless journalist on a nameless website that conveniently had the content removed.
I thought your source would be an interesting read too but you don't have one.


I said straight out that I was going only on memory and may be wrong.

You're just throwing out accusations and acting like it's all facts.

No need to get emotional about it. You don't want to beleve it, that's your choice.

Ezzard wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025, 03:34

Perseus wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025, 17:10

Ezzard wrote: ↑11 Nov 2025, 04:03

A journalist had it all documented on a web site that then got remvoed some years back. Tarver knew Jones was no longer on the juice and went into the fight confident.

So the answer is NO you don't have a source to support your claim.

Save a nameless journalist on a nameless website that conveniently had the content removed.
I thought your source would be an interesting read too but you don't have one.


I said straight out that I was going only on memory and may be wrong.

You're just throwing out accusations and acting like it's all facts.

No need to get emotional about it. You don't want to beleve it, that's your choice.

I don't believe anything from someone who just proved they are full of crap.