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someone said to me the other day, that you can beat a faster guy or a harder hitting guy, but you cant beat someone who is faster and harder hitting

while probably most of the time you'll win if you are faster and harder hitting, it's hardly a lock. the faster/harder hitter could gas themselves, have awful defence and get caught too much, could be chinny, could be a far less accurate puncher with worse timing etc.

i remember old version of bernard hopkins, who had slowed a lot, beating the faster and harder punching jean pascal


you have any examples?

Winky wright beating Shane Mosley twice comes to mind

Everyone who beat Herbie Hide!

Carlos Baldomir beating Zab Judah

Carmen Basilio beating Ray Robinson

excellent examples

Winky Wright vs Mosley is unique in the sense that Mosley probably was indeed the harder and faster puncher, but Wright was certainly the physically stronger man in terms of just physicality, and being able to move your opponent around the ring and so forth.

It seems like for the most part the kinda guy that's going to beat a fighter who has speed and power on him is a relentless pressure fighter who's going to get inside on you a lot, and smother your attack.

There's bound to have been other guys that outboxed people just due to superior timing or what have you though.

Kambosos didn't really have speed or power on Teofimo did he?

Thompson beating Haye.
Watson beating Benn.

Julias francis beating pele reid.
Mike Mcallum beating Julian Jackson.
Marvin Hagler beating Tommy hearns

Iran Barkely beating tommy hearns probably faster harder and more skilled.

All of Wilder’s losses? Surely this happens pretty regularly tbh.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026, 16:55 All of Wilder’s losses? Surely this happens pretty regularly tbh.

I think all guys who beat Wilder were faster than him or? Maybe Zhang ?

Carl Froch beat Jean Pascal, Jermain Taylor, Lucian Bute, Mikkel Kessler and George Groves. All of them were faster than him and IMO hits harder, despite Froch being hard puncher himself. Also not sure if Artur Abraham was slower than Froch. Lot of those guys also had better boxing technique than Froch. It is crazy how far his toughness got him with such limited boxing skills. Some of those clean bombs he took right to the chin would do KO of the year on some other boxers.

ya froch one of the slower guy to do so well at that level

Cent0089 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026, 17:32

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026, 16:55 All of Wilder’s losses? Surely this happens pretty regularly tbh.

I think all guys who beat Wilder were faster than him or? Maybe Zhang ?

Suppose it depends how speed is being measured really. Wilder could be ponderous one minute, then rapidly windmilling the next

Ricky Burns v everyone

Cory Spinks v Judah I

A few of the guys that beat Mike Tyson

Forrest vs Mosley

stujones wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026, 20:38 Forrest vs Mosley

Beat me to it.
Was gutted to see him lose after he looked so good against Taylor and Stone.

marquez v paquiao 4 could argue with a couple of the other fights too

Yep, on the world stage Forrest v Mosely instantly springs to mind. Very effective use of the jab by Forrest.


On the home front Kevin McIntyre beating Kevin Anderson....twice. Big difference in power, maybe less so in speed. That result shocked me...twice !

Honeyghan over Curry

Most recent one for me was Joe Joyce beating DD. DD punches way harder than Joyce and most heavyweights in the divsion are faster than him.

jlh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2026, 05:26 Most recent one for me was Joe Joyce beating DD. DD punches way harder than Joyce and most heavyweights in the divsion are faster than him.

A f*cking Tortoise is faster than Joyce

Vince Philips vs Kostya Tszyu