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This should be a lot easier than an all-time top 10 because there aren't the great discrepancies in training, diet and sheer physical size that cause problems in all-time HW ratings. So just post-Marciano heavyweights, this is a tricky one:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. George Foreman
4. Sonny Liston
5. Mike Tyson
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Joe Frazier
8. Riddick Bowe
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Ken Norton

Not at all sure about the last 3. Okay, abuse me.

Chopping Right wrote:This should be a lot easier than an all-time top 10 because there aren't the great discrepancies in training, diet and sheer physical size that cause problems in all-time HW ratings. So just post-Marciano heavyweights, this is a tricky one:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. George Foreman
4. Sonny Liston
5. Mike Tyson
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Joe Frazier
8. Riddick Bowe
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Ken Norton

Not at all sure about the last 3. Okay, abuse me.

1) Ali
2) Holmes
3) Liston
4) Foreman
5) Lewis
6) Bowe
7) Holyfield
8) Frazier
9) Tyson
10) Witherspoon

I don't know why there is a smiley next to Frazier!! I didn't put it there & I can't get rid of it!!! :x

Syntax Error wrote:I don't know why there is a smiley next to Frazier!! I didn't put it there & I can't get rid of it!!! :x

It's because the eight and ) make a smiley.

Anyway.

1. Mike Tyson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Evander Holyfiel
7. Mike Spinks (heavyweight for a while)
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ken Norton
10. Leon Spinks
10.

Grimm wrote: 1. Mike Tyson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Evander Holyfiel
7. Mike Spinks (heavyweight for a while)
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ken Norton
10. Leon Spinks
10.

Whoa there - Tyson at one, and places for Leon and Mike Spinks. No Sonny Liston???

Chopping Right wrote:

Grimm wrote: 1. Mike Tyson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Evander Holyfiel
7. Mike Spinks (heavyweight for a while)
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ken Norton
10. Leon Spinks
10.

Whoa there - Tyson at one, and places for Leon and Mike Spinks. No Sonny Liston???

I didn't put Liston because we really don't know. Was he really paid off or did he just get KTFO.

Definitely Mike spinks, he fucked up the career of Larry Holmes and Jerry Cooney's as well.

Leon was great before doin' whatever the hell he did that messed his career up.

Well about Tyson........I think in his prime he could beat anyone. Except for Joe Louis.

Grimm wrote:Leon was great before doin' whatever the hell he did that messed his career up.

Drink, drugs, women and lots of nightlife for our Neon Leon.

And not enough training.

He was a force of nature as an amateur though.

On a who beats more of the other heavyweights in there primes.

1. Larry Holmes
2. Mike Tyson
3. Sonny Liston
4. George Foreman
5. Jimmy Young
6. Joe Frazier
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Earnie Shavers

The_Power wrote:On a who beats more of the other heavyweights in there primes.

1. Larry Holmes
2. Mike Tyson
3. Sonny Liston
4. George Foreman
5. Jimmy Young
6. Joe Frazier
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Earnie Shavers

Hang on, you have Ali at 8? But he did beat Joe Frazier, George Foreman and Sonny Liston in their primes!

Grimm wrote:Definitely Mike spinks, he fucked up the career of Larry Holmes and Jerry Cooney's as well.

I've got plenty of respect for Spinks, but his heavyweight resume only really consisted of 2 controversial wins over an elderly Holmes, KO's of a washed-up Cooney and some bloke from Norway, and a 1 round blow-out at the hands of Tyson. Now I'll give the guy respect for pipping Holmes, but that in itself ain't much to go on. All-time top light-heavies, now we're talking.

Chopping Right wrote:

The_Power wrote:On a who beats more of the other heavyweights in there primes.

1. Larry Holmes
2. Mike Tyson
3. Sonny Liston
4. George Foreman
5. Jimmy Young
6. Joe Frazier
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Earnie Shavers

Hang on, you have Ali at 8? But he did beat Joe Frazier, George Foreman and Sonny Liston in their primes!

In the only historically relevant fight when Frazier and Ali fought, both went in undefeated, only Joe came out unbeaten. Ali never beat an unbeaten version of Joe Frazier.

George Foreman was outfought and fooled with a use once only tactic, in a rematch (which ali never gave) foreman would have won, plus in a Foreman Vs all other champions i see him KOing more people, than Ali outboxing, thus his higher ranking.

Liston was in his prime, and even he had to be forced to lose by the mob, hardly an honourable victory. The Liston that blasted out Williams would beat most heavyweight champions.

1. Muhammed Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Sonny Liston
4. Joe Frazier
5. Mike Tyson
6. Larry Holmes
7. Lennox Lewis (not sure where he belongs)
8. Ken Norton
9.Evander Holyfield
10. Riddick Bowe

Grimm wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:I don't know why there is a smiley next to Frazier!! I didn't put it there & I can't get rid of it!!! :x

It's because the eight and ) make a smiley.

Anyway.

1. Mike Tyson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Evander Holyfiel
7. Mike Spinks (heavyweight for a while)
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ken Norton
10. Leon Spinks
10.

Grimm, how can you have Tyson at #1 just because you think he'd beat everyone except Louis? I mean based on accomplishments he is definitely not #1 - everytime he faced an all-time great, he came up short. (Holyfield twice, Lewis once). And he wasn't as far from his prime as Evander - don't go there.

Lexus wrote:

Grimm wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:I don't know why there is a smiley next to Frazier!! I didn't put it there & I can't get rid of it!!! :x

It's because the eight and ) make a smiley.

Anyway.

1. Mike Tyson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Evander Holyfiel
7. Mike Spinks (heavyweight for a while)
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ken Norton
10. Leon Spinks
10.

Grimm, how can you have Tyson at #1 just because you think he'd beat everyone except Louis? I mean based on accomplishments he is definitely not #1 - everytime he faced an all-time great, he came up short. (Holyfield twice, Lewis once). And he wasn't as far from his prime as Evander - don't go there.

I never mentioned achievements.
I base mine on who would beat who, no the ring magazine type ratings.

Grimm wrote:

Lexus wrote:

Grimm wrote: It's because the eight and ) make a smiley.

Anyway.

1. Mike Tyson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Evander Holyfiel
7. Mike Spinks (heavyweight for a while)
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ken Norton
10. Leon Spinks
10.

Grimm, how can you have Tyson at #1 just because you think he'd beat everyone except Louis? I mean based on accomplishments he is definitely not #1 - everytime he faced an all-time great, he came up short. (Holyfield twice, Lewis once). And he wasn't as far from his prime as Evander - don't go there.

I never mentioned achievements.
I base mine on who would beat who, no the ring magazine type ratings.

But who beats who is pure speculation. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to look at what they actually did in their career?

Lexus wrote:

Grimm wrote:

Lexus wrote: Grimm, how can you have Tyson at #1 just because you think he'd beat everyone except Louis? I mean based on accomplishments he is definitely not #1 - everytime he faced an all-time great, he came up short. (Holyfield twice, Lewis once). And he wasn't as far from his prime as Evander - don't go there.

I never mentioned achievements.
I base mine on who would beat who, no the ring magazine type ratings.

But who beats who is pure speculation. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to look at what they actually did in their career?

I do I look at what they did in their career how they fought, what advantages they have , how well they could use those advantages and what their weaknesses were.

Doesn't Joe Louis Barrow fit into this league? Lennox Lewis? George Foreman? maybe top 20. What about Jack "lil Arthur" Johnson?

Tambo wrote:Doesn't Joe Louis Barrow fit into this league? Lennox Lewis? George Foreman? maybe top 20. What about Jack "lil Arthur" Johnson?

Check this thread's title. I'm pretty sure Jack Johnson fought a few years before Marciano.

Grimm wrote:

Lexus wrote:

Grimm wrote: I never mentioned achievements.
I base mine on who would beat who, no the ring magazine type ratings.

But who beats who is pure speculation. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to look at what they actually did in their career?

I do I look at what they did in their career how they fought, what advantages they have , how well they could use those advantages and what their weaknesses were.

So from looking at Tyson's career, you can honestly say that he is #1?

Chopping Right wrote: (...)
8. Riddick Bowe
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Ken Norton
Not at all sure about the last 3. Okay, abuse me.

I wouldn't put Bowe there. He had skills, but his only big achievement is the trilogy with Holyfield (where he lost the second fight and was lucky to fight sick Holyfield in the last fight). Apart from that... well, I have to admit he looked better than anyone else against opponents like Larry Donald, Jessie Fergusson, and so on. Still, I don't think that is enough.

Chopping Right wrote:

Tambo wrote:Doesn't Joe Louis Barrow fit into this league? Lennox Lewis? George Foreman? maybe top 20. What about Jack "lil Arthur" Johnson?

Check this thread's title. I'm pretty sure Jack Johnson fought a few years before Marciano.

Thats true...I'll pay more attention next time

gregor wrote:

Chopping Right wrote: (...)
8. Riddick Bowe
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Ken Norton
Not at all sure about the last 3. Okay, abuse me.

I wouldn't put Bowe there. He had skills, but his only big achievement is the trilogy with Holyfield (where he lost the second fight and was lucky to fight sick Holyfield in the last fight). Apart from that... well, I have to admit he looked better than anyone else against opponents like Larry Donald, Jessie Fergusson, and so on. Still, I don't think that is enough.

Fair points. But who would you replace Bowe with in that 10?

Lexus wrote:

Grimm wrote:

Lexus wrote: But who beats who is pure speculation. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to look at what they actually did in their career?

I do I look at what they did in their career how they fought, what advantages they have , how well they could use those advantages and what their weaknesses were.

So from looking at Tyson's career, you can honestly say that he is #1?

Not by his achievments, by his skills.

Grimm wrote:Not by his achievments, by his skills.

Can you all learn how to quote like this? Thanks.

Tantum wrote: Can you all learn how to quote like this? Thanks.

You're welcome