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What do you guys reckon about lightweight Valero and has anybody seen footage of him fighting apart from the sparring sessions on Max Boxing?

Doug Fischer reckons he is so good that even now after only 13 (uncompleted) rounds as a professional, he would beat Eric Morales.

He fought at the weekend for the first time in two years and added his 13th 1st round KO to his record. I know his opponents are nobodies but it's as impressive a record as I've seen.

He's banned from fighting in the US at the moment - I think this is down to a motor accident after picking up some head injury that has ruled him "unfit" for boxing. (Correct me if I'm wrong on this anybody).

Yep, you're right.

As good as Valero is (and he is) I believe Doug Fischer sucks him off too much. It's an insult to Morales to say that he'd beat him, but he'd keep him away from Corrales and Castillo...

well, he's had one meaningful fight, when he bombed out tough trialhorse cassiani, which is a promising sign his power is for real.

Interesting to see what happens with this kid when he steps up again. Put him in with a toughnut stayer, joe morales for example.

I'm keeping an eye on Jason Litzau, should be interesting when he steps up.

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Does anybody remember watching Tavis Simms V Alejandro Garcia on Don Kings Night of the Undisputed back in December 2003? Both men undefeated, Garcia was the WBA Middleweight Champion and had a record of 28-0 with 28 KO's. In the 5th round the referee broke a clinch and Garcia dropped his arms to his side and turned to look at the referee and Simms completely KO'd him with one punch!

That was a great card actually, Judah, Ruiz, Rahman, Hopkins, Joppy. Sky showed it live too which was a bonus.

Judah had a mismatch, Rahman was in piss poor shape, Mayorga v Spinks was boring and Hopkins v Joppy was always going to be a dull main event.

I thought that show was pants.

Kilburn wrote:Judah had a mismatch, Rahman was in piss poor shape, Mayorga v Spinks was boring and Hopkins v Joppy was always going to be a dull main event.

I thought that show was pants.

I forgot that Mayorga was there too. The fights may not have turned out to have been too exciting but what a card it was. I don't remember any other time that many top fighters were on the same card.

It was full of big names for sure, I just don't think the match-ups were ever going to bring much excitment.

I'd have preferred to see the other title fights on the bill instead.

Kilburn wrote:It was full of big names for sure, I just don't think the match-ups were ever going to bring much excitment.

I'd have preferred to see the other title fights on the bill instead.

We'd all prefer that but my point was that we rarely get to see more than a couple of big fighters on the same cards. Like with the Hatton fight - they should have had Hatton V Tszyu and then on the undercard Skelton V Williams, Brodie V Harrison, perhaps even the Khan debut too! No better way of introducing some British fighters to the American public.

But then you've got the reality of it. Hatton V Tszyu sells out without an undercard to give it support so no doubt we're going to get something rubbish.

johnswan1 wrote: Doug Fischer reckons he is so good that even now after only 13 (uncompleted) rounds as a professional, he would beat Eric Morales.

No - No matter how many 1 round KOs you have.

EVERY fighter needs rounds and experience especially to step up and take on a fighter as good as Morales.

Particularly as Morales is pretty much impossible to KO.

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johnswan1 wrote: Doug Fischer reckons he is so good that even now after only 13 (uncompleted) rounds as a professional, he would beat Eric Morales.

No - No matter how many 1 round KOs you have.

EVERY fighter needs rounds and experience especially to step up and take on a fighter as good as Morales.

He is basing what he is saying on the sparring sessions Valero and Morales had in preparation for the Pacquiao fight. He reckons Valero was getting the better of Morales and looks at it as being a massive achievement considering he has only had 13 rounds as a pro. But then we all know sparring is different to fighting professionally. I haven't watched the footage but want to see it myself. Apparently Morales wasn't holding back at all and it was a great war.

No, he actually said he'd beat Morales well before that sparring session. Go on maxboxing and read through his articles.

He also said he'd KO Casamayor in one round and a whole load of other twattish comments.

In fairness, he could well beat Morales - if the fight was at lightweight. Morales would be too small for that weight. I can't imagine Morales having much of a chance against either Castillo or Corrales.

Way to early to really discuss this guy as a world star. I have been caught up in the hype of a fight too many times. I know some people were raving about Ricky Williams being the next Floyd Mayweather - I never thought he was ever going to make it. However, I, on another forum, said the Bojado was the bees knees - that one ended up a bit wrong.

Olijade the one time Light Middleweight prospect was another fighter who got talked up a bit too soon.

STU IT HAPPENS.

look at my rantings about a certina Audley harrison a while back.

still i live in hope and would still like him to come good, im just losing faith that it will happen.

But if they won't let him fight in the states cause of injury there must really be something wrong with him, in which case its doubtful that he can take it himself.
Its one thing to be koing journeymen quickly but its how a fighter rects when he's in with a live one that counts. That many early koes is probably a disadvantage more than anything else.

yiop silkov a perfect british example would be a certain David Haye.

How different is Valero's issue to Joe Mesi's?

Just asking because the reaction to one of them seems to be 'get him in the ring with one of the roughest guys around at the top of his trade' and to the other it's, 'Don't ever let the guy in a gym again.'

This is from shortly after his 12th fight...

THE CASE OF EDWIN VALERO

Edwin Valero was starting to make quite a name for himself as an unbeaten rising star in the boxing world only a few months ago. Fighting both in Venezuela and the Los Angeles area, the young super featherweight from Venezuela had run up a remarkable streak: 12 fights, 12 knockouts, and all in the first round.

Granted, Valero's opponents weren't exactly world class, with only half of them ever having won a pro fight. But that list of his fallen foes did include at least one seasoned fighter, Roque Cassiani, who went into his fight with Valero on Aug. 28, 2003, in Irvine, CA, with a record of 21-13-2. He, too, went out in the first round.

Valero's story was picked up by Doug Fischer of MaxBoxing.com, who reported on this intriguing prospect and had videotaped footage of him training posted on that site. All this caught the attention of Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions, and all of a sudden Valero was booked to come to New York to fight on De La Hoya's Jan. 29 "Boxeo de Oro" card, televised live on HBO Latino. This was to be Valero's first televised fight in the U.S., and the anticipation among boxing aficionados was great.

But Valero never fought on that card, or any since.

Like all professional fighters, Valero had to pass a set of medical examinations conducted by the New York State Athletic Commission. Unlike other states, New York requires a CAT scan of the head. Basically, a CAT scan provides a three-dimensional image of the interior of whatever is being looked at. Valero's CAT scan, and a subsequent MRI, revealed a spot on his brain that was believed to be caused by some serious head trauma.

After these tests, Valero admitted that he had been in a serious motorcycle accident in 2001, and had had surgery during which a piece of his skull was removed from the back of his head. He had also kept all of this a secret from all of his trainers and management because of the obvious fear that he would not be allowed to fight -- which is what ended up happening anyway.

Doug Fischer, who had come from Los Angeles to New York just to cover Valero's fight, examined Valero after this medical report was revealed, and wrote, "If you run your hand back there, you can feel the scars left from the operation, and you can also feel that part of his scalp is softer than the other areas of his head."

Now the doctors are debating just how serious this spot on his brain is, if he has or ever had a blood clot, and how dangerous that soft portion of his skull in the back of his head is if he were to fight again. But the New York commission, on the order of Dr. Barry Jordan, still has Valero under medical suspension.

Whether or not that will ever change is now being considered, but it is not a stretch to argue that Edwin Valero's life may have been spared by this CAT scan and MRI. A fighter with 12 first-round knockouts in 12 fights is obviously not getting hit that much during his fights, although he may be getting clobbered in the gym.

Nonetheless, every pro fighter at one time or another gets walloped for real in the head. What might have happened to Valero is frightening and sickening to speculate about.

I saw the Valero fight and I was really impressed. He throws some welltimed bombs. He'll fight again in Argentina this saturday. It would be great to see him against some experienced opponent.

stujones wrote: Olijade the one time Light Middleweight prospect was another fighter who got talked up a bit too soon.

To be fair mate Olajide is still worth jumping on the bandwagon for. Bags of talent and firepower.

But er.. where the bloody hell is he??

Oh, didn't realise he'd lost on points last November....

Anyone here remember Engels Pedroza he was from Venezuela.
he was knocking everyone out in a round or 2, till he ran into Mike Johnson who knocked him out in 9 rounds, basicly Pedroza ran out of steam.

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johnswan1 wrote:This is from shortly after his 12th fight...

THE CASE OF EDWIN VALERO

Edwin Valero was starting to make quite a name for himself as an unbeaten rising star in the boxing world only a few months ago. Fighting both in Venezuela and the Los Angeles area, the young super featherweight from Venezuela had run up a remarkable streak: 12 fights, 12 knockouts, and all in the first round.

Granted, Valero's opponents weren't exactly world class, with only half of them ever having won a pro fight. But that list of his fallen foes did include at least one seasoned fighter, Roque Cassiani, who went into his fight with Valero on Aug. 28, 2003, in Irvine, CA, with a record of 21-13-2. He, too, went out in the first round.

Valero's story was picked up by Doug Fischer of MaxBoxing.com, who reported on this intriguing prospect and had videotaped footage of him training posted on that site. All this caught the attention of Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions, and all of a sudden Valero was booked to come to New York to fight on De La Hoya's Jan. 29 "Boxeo de Oro" card, televised live on HBO Latino. This was to be Valero's first televised fight in the U.S., and the anticipation among boxing aficionados was great.

But Valero never fought on that card, or any since.

Like all professional fighters, Valero had to pass a set of medical examinations conducted by the New York State Athletic Commission. Unlike other states, New York requires a CAT scan of the head. Basically, a CAT scan provides a three-dimensional image of the interior of whatever is being looked at. Valero's CAT scan, and a subsequent MRI, revealed a spot on his brain that was believed to be caused by some serious head trauma.

After these tests, Valero admitted that he had been in a serious motorcycle accident in 2001, and had had surgery during which a piece of his skull was removed from the back of his head. He had also kept all of this a secret from all of his trainers and management because of the obvious fear that he would not be allowed to fight -- which is what ended up happening anyway.

Doug Fischer, who had come from Los Angeles to New York just to cover Valero's fight, examined Valero after this medical report was revealed, and wrote, "If you run your hand back there, you can feel the scars left from the operation, and you can also feel that part of his scalp is softer than the other areas of his head."

Now the doctors are debating just how serious this spot on his brain is, if he has or ever had a blood clot, and how dangerous that soft portion of his skull in the back of his head is if he were to fight again. But the New York commission, on the order of Dr. Barry Jordan, still has Valero under medical suspension.

Whether or not that will ever change is now being considered, but it is not a stretch to argue that Edwin Valero's life may have been spared by this CAT scan and MRI. A fighter with 12 first-round knockouts in 12 fights is obviously not getting hit that much during his fights, although he may be getting clobbered in the gym.

Nonetheless, every pro fighter at one time or another gets walloped for real in the head. What might have happened to Valero is frightening and sickening to speculate about.

Blimey, its a shame but the guy shouldn't be allowed to fight with a weakness like that!. What happens if he gets hit at the back of the head? or if he's floored and hits his head, which is a danger for any boxer but when you have a soft patch on your head its going to be lethal.
May well explain why he's koing everybody so quickly, ...doesn't want to hang around to be hit himself.