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ITV back in boxing, time to cancel Sky

Posted: 24 May 2005, 07:03
by MightyWarrior
ITV can lead boxing back into big time

Kevin Mitchell
Sunday May 22, 2005
The Observer

Look away, abolitionists: boxing is back. The sport some hate to love and others love to hate is about to make a big noise on ITV again after an absence of 10 years. And for that we have The Kid to thank.

There is no doubt Amir Khan's debut on ITV, the last bout of his glorious amateur career, stirred the constituency. Even though his opponent, the great Cuban Mario Kindelan, performed poorly, 4.5 million viewers stayed with it last Saturday night, a million more than watched the dogfight relegation finish to the football season on the BBC the following day. The Kid outrated the entire Premiership. He's obviously got 'it', whatever the murmurs at ringside.

It is ludicrous, not to mention legally contentious, to suggest without evidence - as at least one commentator did last week - that Kindelan did not try in this rematch of his Olympic final with the Bolton teenager on national television in The Kid's home town.

Absurd, too, that cynics might suspect - without evidence - that it was a conveniently spectacular result with which to announce the imminent arrival in the professional ranks of the most bankable prospect in British boxing since Naseem Hamed.

allegedly, who promoted the fight but was attending his son's twenty-first birthday party, has paid Khan £1m to turn professional. The first return on that investment comes on 16 July, when Khan appears on the undercard of the Matt Skelton-Danny Williams British heavyweight title fight in a show that has been switched from London to Bolton. It will be on ITV, rather than Sky, where Warren has promoted for 10 years. There would seem to be a connection there somewhere.

Sky, where Warren's promotional contract runs out in June, moved boxing to Friday nights at the start of the football season, arguing that Saturdays are not what they were. Maybe. But there have been other signs that their commitment to boxing has dwindled. Their main boxing commentator, Ian Darke, has been doing more football, for a start, which points to a shift in editorial priorities. And generally, the buzz has been missing from Sky's boxing for a little while. They will no longer be a main provider. Their brief now, I understand, is to cherry-pick big fights.

An industry insider told me last week that Sky realise they're not going to win many new viewers with boxing and the big pay-per-view fights seem to have dried up. So, as committed as Sky have been to the development of young fighters, the figures don't add up for them any more.

Those Khan-Kindelan ratings, ITV's best all weekend, surely determined not only that Khan will remain with ITV (after a flirtation with the BBC) but that ITV will remain with boxing. To put it in context, Celebrity Wrestling , in which ITV have invested such hopes and money, returned a disappointing 2.3m audience earlier in the evening: the rest of the series has been banished to compete with the religious programmes on Sunday morning. Coming on at 9.30pm, Khan-Kindelan pretty much saved ITV's day by securing a quarter of the available audience.

ITV are desperate for a ratings winner in sport, given that Sky and BBC have carved up domestic football, leaving them with Champions League games and Formula One. Their early-evening figures for last Saturday were their worst in decades, according to a TV source.

Warren, meanwhile, has been in serious talks with Sky and ITV for weeks. Sky will show his current star, Ricky Hatton, when he fights the outstanding Australian-Russian Kostya Tszyu in Manchester next month, and that could be the last major boxing show on the channel for a while. Or ever.

Against this background, ITV have galvanised their negotiators to bid hard for Warren's stable of fighters, by far the biggest in Europe. It could be, of course, that he is using ITV's renewed interest to get Sky back to the table. ITV, though, have already made it clear that they have no qualms about boxing: they filmed a documentary on the rising Nottinghamshire super-middleweight Carl Froch during his recent successful visit to the United States and, on ITV2, the Sylvester Stallone-Sugar Ray Leonard reality boxing show, The Contender , has reached the quarter-finals.

If ITV see off Sky, they will resume one of the most successful partnerships in sports entertainment and bring to an end a sabbatical from boxing that began in the most awful circumstances in 1995.

In February of that year Nigel Benn emerged from his memorable collision with Gerald McClellan as the pre-eminent tear-up merchant on Earth. However, McClellan was blinded and crippled and Benn was never the same fighter after the finest win of his career. ITV had no stomach for boxing after that and, after a shocking Hamed ko win over Sergio Liendo the following Saturday night in Scotland, they got out of the sport.

Although the management team of 1995 has moved on, to this day tape of the Benn-McClellan fight is locked away in an ITV safe, marked 'never to be shown again'. It has only turned up in edited form in the early hours on Channel 5.

Yet such had been the interest in the fight - and in boxing generally at the time - that Warren had no problem selling out the Docklands Arena, even though the bout was being shown live in prime time on ITV, where it attracted more than 13 million viewers. You can be sure that Warren has reminded the current regime at ITV of those numbers, and of Khan's potential to match them over time given the right exposure.

Warren made his name with ITV in the 1980s and 1990s, challenging the hegemony of Mickey Duff, Terry Lawless, Jarvis Astaire and Mike Barrett on the BBC. He brought a sense of excitement and freshness to the sport after years of admirable competence by the BBC. He was aided, of course, by the talents of Hamed, Benn, Frank Bruno and many others.

As for Khan's last fight as an amateur, all that you can reasonably, and legally, say about Kindelan's performance is that it was uncharacteristically low-key, certainly at odds with his masterful taming of the ABA lightweight champion Frankie Gavin in Liverpool last month. Maybe the great Cuban is winding down after one of the most outstanding careers in the history of the sport. It is a pity he did not do himself justice. There is still a chance he will return to help the ABA with their coaching of the next young crop of amateurs, and his profile will no doubt generate much interest in the amateur ranks. Few Cubans have done the sport here more favours.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 07:10
by KO Artist
Cancelled mine some time ago mate.

If Warren ditches SKY and gets a contract with ITV to show regualr Boxing, its the best thing ANY promoter has done for Boxing in the UK for decades.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 07:22
by Chopping Right
I've certainly been thinking about cancelling my Sky subs recently, I've hardly seen any boxing this year in comparison to years gone by, I think after Hatton v Tszyu it might have to go. I suppose it all depends how much "cherry-picking" Sky intend to do, but if it's just one fight in a blue moon it's hard to justify the £40 or whatever it costs nowadays.

Still a bit worried about the quality and depth of coverage ITV will provide, but it's better than nowt and it's free. Wonder what's happening to the Hennessey mob of Haye, Froch et all? Was it just coincidence Froch being at that Amir Khan show?

Posted: 24 May 2005, 07:29
by Graham Brett
Chopping Right wrote:I've certainly been thinking about cancelling my Sky subs recently, I've hardly seen any boxing this year in comparison to years gone by, I think after Hatton v Tszyu it might have to go. I suppose it all depends how much "cherry-picking" Sky intend to do, but if it's just one fight in a blue moon it's hard to justify the £40 or whatever it costs nowadays.

Still a bit worried about the quality and depth of coverage ITV will provide, but it's better than nowt and it's free. Wonder what's happening to the Hennessey mob of Haye, Froch et all? Was it just coincidence Froch being at that Amir Khan show?
Haye & co will go with Warren to ITV

It makes sense. Could you imagine Haye v Enzo on ITV

or Calzaghe v Froch?

Back to the good old days, well done allegedly, youve got to hand it to him, avery bright bloke.

I think Haye is out of contract with Figh Academy anyway?

Posted: 24 May 2005, 07:36
by steve689
Cancel SKY? Are you insane?? This means SKY will be showing more competetive matches :lol: :lol: :box:

Posted: 24 May 2005, 07:43
by MightyWarrior
steve689 wrote:Cancel SKY? Are you insane?? This means SKY will be showing more competetive matches :lol: :lol: :box:
Good point! :D Seriously, I'll be canceling Sky after June 5th I reckon.

ITV making a doc about Froch shows he's on the books too.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 08:55
by Kilburn
What a shot in the arm this could be, after things were looking so bleak.

I just hope FW makes the right fights for tv. Unfortunately we're kicking off with a potentially horrible maulfest in Skelton v Williams but matches like Enzo v Haye could really get Joe Public talking.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 09:31
by stujones
Its all if's, buts and maybe's,

Remember the early ratings for Audley Harrison's fights. Remember, Henessey and team David Haye signed long term deals with the BBC. All went pair shaped.

Although, with every Reality/Celebrity show that falls on its face it is better for sport on terrestial TV.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 09:44
by Priff
Graham Brett wrote: Back to the good old days
Am I the only one who thinks this is rose-tinted spectacle nostalgia?
It looks like I am.

The good old days of 1 main event a month and only 4-6 boxers in the country making decent money out of boxing.

I think SKY scaling down boxing is a tragedy for British Boxing. It's they who invested in the game during the 'unpopular years.'
Suddenly, one of the most famous young sportsman in the country is a boxer and ITV come riding along on their white horse as the saviours of boxing. How noble of them.
Do you see the likes of Jimmy Vincent or Javaid Kjhaliq making any money from such a shift in power?

Posted: 24 May 2005, 09:56
by J
i have to agree a bit with Priff here, i mean judging on ITV's coverage so far its going to be 60 mins of build up and tonguing Amirs chod hole, then 12 mins of boxing followed by a load of ex boxers commenting on the performance.

that to me isnt as good as a two hour show packed with 4-5 good undercard fights on too.

ideally id like sky to keep covering some of the small hall shows as well.

i mean how good was minter symonds and to see the up and coming lads like Woolcombe and Mitchell is imperitive.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 12:03
by Coconut
It's a point I've made before. I (we?) grew up with Big Fight Special and the odd card on Wednesday nights. But guys like Mitchell are never going to have their entire careers screened live. One of the joys of Sky is watching the prospects and indeed filling two hours of waiting for Desperate Housewives to re-run on E4 with something to actually watch. I assume most of us who still watch boxing on Sky do so because we'd watch two Cabbage Patch Kids for twenty minutes if they had gloves on. I'll miss this element.

And I also cannot stand Rosenthal.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 12:16
by Priff
ITV's coverage of Amir's fight more more like a Parkinson Chat Show.
Diabolical.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 12:25
by Kilburn
To be fair it was hardly your typical fight card.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 17:43
by Owain
Warren will only do what is best for Warren.
We can only hope that he does go with ITV, to bring boxing back into the mainstream. At the moment though I agree with the above posters - it's wishful thinking.

Posted: 24 May 2005, 18:21
by JimStone
This is why 'boxing' will be big again.

Saturday night viewing figures have dropped big time over the last few years. This is mainly because more and more people are going out on the lash. This trend is unlikely to be bucked any time soon.

However, one sizeable group of people do not go out drinking....Who are they? Muslims. ITV's impressive viewing figures for the Kindelan fight will, in no small part, be due to the mass of muslim viewers who tuned in to watch their hero.

There's nothing wrong with this; it's a smart move by ITV. They have twigged that they can cash in here. Whilever Khan is fighting, the figures will be good. I'll be very surprised if we see a 2100 Saturday night boxing show that doesn't feature him or another Islamic fighter on the card, though.

Posted: 25 May 2005, 03:22
by Chopping Right
FlawedGenius wrote:This is why 'boxing' will be big again.

Saturday night viewing figures have dropped big time over the last few years. This is mainly because more and more people are going out on the lash. This trend is unlikely to be bucked any time soon.

However, one sizeable group of people do not go out drinking....Who are they? Muslims. ITV's impressive viewing figures for the Kindelan fight will, in no small part, be due to the mass of muslim viewers who tuned in to watch their hero.

There's nothing wrong with this; it's a smart move by ITV. They have twigged that they can cash in here. Whilever Khan is fighting, the figures will be good. I'll be very surprised if we see a 2100 Saturday night boxing show that doesn't feature him or another Islamic fighter on the card, though.
I think your genius really could be flawed here. ITV's long-term commitment to boxing is based around getting the nation's Muslim community to tune in? Then why did they ever let Hamed go?

Re: ITV back in boxing, time to cancel Sky

Posted: 25 May 2005, 04:05
by Coconut
MightyWarrior wrote:ITV can lead boxing back into big time

Kevin Mitchell
Sunday May 22, 2005
The Observer


Is this going to be his new line of work, seeing as ITV are unmlikely to devote much air time to him...

Posted: 25 May 2005, 05:21
by KO Artist
Priff wrote:
Graham Brett wrote: Back to the good old days
Am I the only one who thinks this is rose-tinted spectacle nostalgia?
It looks like I am.

The good old days of 1 main event a month and only 4-6 boxers in the country making decent money out of boxing.

I think SKY scaling down boxing is a tragedy for British Boxing. It's they who invested in the game during the 'unpopular years.'
Suddenly, one of the most famous young sportsman in the country is a boxer and ITV come riding along on their white horse as the saviours of boxing. How noble of them.
Do you see the likes of Jimmy Vincent or Javaid Kjhaliq making any money from such a shift in power?
Khaliq hasnt fought in moons mate. How much money is he making?

Besides, the boxing were getting on SKY is not worth paying £40 per month for. Its not value for money.

If Jimmy Vincent is getting HUGE purses, then something is wrong.

Posted: 25 May 2005, 06:58
by Priff
It's not really worth debating individual boxing careers. The point I was making was that lesser known boxers will have less earning potential. (I don't think Khaliq or Vincent are careers boxers so they aren't exactly on much anyway).

A fight I really enjoyed recently(recently?) was Gomez vs Arthur.
The skill level was poor and both fighters are at best british level.
But it was a local fight, with a bit of dig and was a great watch.

Neither fighter (IMO) will have wider public appeal, so I hope there will be a place for such fights on ITV if SKY do scale down.

My recollection of ITV was watching Eubank fight a series of un-competitive fights, not having to get out of 2nd gear most nights.

2 fighters who's fights I have NOT been bothered to catch lately are Calzaghe and Hatton (for obvious reasons). On ITV, we'll probably not have much else (Well, that's my fear anyway.)

Posted: 25 May 2005, 16:43
by Chopping Right
I sometimes wonder why Eurosport don't pick up a few more live midweek cards from the UK. I'm not talking about anything flash, just good domestic cards, a few Area or international matches, the odd British and Commonwealth title. We're not talking megabucks and I'm sure any promoter without TV (which is most of them) would be keen enough.

Posted: 25 May 2005, 18:34
by stujones
Chopping Right wrote:I sometimes wonder why Eurosport don't pick up a few more live midweek cards from the UK. I'm not talking about anything flash, just good domestic cards, a few Area or international matches, the odd British and Commonwealth title. We're not talking megabucks and I'm sure any promoter without TV (which is most of them) would be keen enough.
Good thought. I still think a boxing channell is feasable if the promoters worked together.

Posted: 25 May 2005, 18:49
by Freiheit
Chopping Right wrote:I sometimes wonder why Eurosport don't pick up a few more live midweek cards from the UK. I'm not talking about anything flash, just good domestic cards, a few Area or international matches, the odd British and Commonwealth title. We're not talking megabucks and I'm sure any promoter without TV (which is most of them) would be keen enough.
I have tourght the same thing, not with british boxing though, but with some small danish cards, they are, IMO better than the italian cards we see and also better than most of the french cards we see.