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Interesting topic,
Least Favorite Fighters

Felix Trinidad- I disliked him after he got a gift desicion over Oscar, and I felt that effected Oscar the rest of his career.

Antonio Tarver- Disrespecting Jones, and Jones mother AND SHOWING NO CLASS. and bitching about how he won the first fight when he cleary didnt. I love jones, and a peak jones would destroy tarver. Im glad glen johnson beat tarver.

GOgeu Mitu- UR 7'4 WEIGH 300 LBS AND YOU GET KNOCKED OUT BY A BUM!!! UR A DISGRACE TO GIANTS

Jack Johnson- the guy was porbably a nut case. he paraded around the country with white woman and he def was the most hated champ.


Ingemar Johanssen
vitali klictscho
chris bryd
Darius michalczweski - why not leave europe to fight jones
Larry holmes
zab judah
alot more that i cant think of right now

U hate Jack Johnson for parading around with white women 100 yrs ago...hmmmmm.

Roy Jones... Loads of talent but few greats on his record. Got KO'd by an average LightHeavy in Tarver, which proved he didn't have the chin to mix it with the greats. Then basically capitulated to Johnson who is an honest guy, but only one notch above journeyman. Jones has a brittle ego and like Tyson could never overcome adversity in the ring.

Roy Jones is one of the best middleweights ever 2nd to robinson. he beat tarver in his last good fight but in his 2nd fight vs tarver he was outof his prime and didnt have it anymore. jones is an all time great

So what if Johnson liked white women! why not?... don't you like white women?. I have always admired Johnson and the more I learn about him the more that admiration grows, he was willing to go against convention and follow dreams and ambitions that he was told that he had no right to hold, ...the man deserves a ton of respect imo both as a fighter and as a man!.

Ok it was not a racial issue llike u guys are saying. I am white and yes I do like white woman.

-WHAT I AM SAYING is I am using that as an example of how nuts jack johnson is and how he loved breaking rules. He did same some comments about joe louis, but their was never sufficient evidence that johnson actually said that. A reporter coulld have misquoted johnson. The fact is with all his crazy antics and behavior, I wonder if i would have liked him if i was around in his era.
- It was more of a joke of putting him on my list because i dont dislike him as much as the other guys. especially tarver.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Interesting topic,
Least Favorite Fighters

Felix Trinidad- I disliked him after he got a gift desicion over Oscar, and I felt that effected Oscar the rest of his career.

Antonio Tarver- Disrespecting Jones, and Jones mother AND SHOWING NO CLASS. and bitching about how he won the first fight when he cleary didnt. I love jones, and a peak jones would destroy tarver. Im glad glen johnson beat tarver.

GOgeu Mitu- UR 7'4 WEIGH 300 LBS AND YOU GET KNOCKED OUT BY A BUM!!! UR A DISGRACE TO GIANTS

Jack Johnson- the guy was porbably a nut case. he paraded around the country with white woman and he def was the most hated champ.


Ingemar Johanssen
vitali klictscho
chris bryd
Darius michalczweski - why not leave europe to fight jones
Larry holmes
zab judah
alot more that i cant think of right now

i understand why you hate all those boxers exept for tito and vitali :(

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Roy Jones is one of the best middleweights ever 2nd to robinson. he beat tarver in his last good fight but in his 2nd fight vs tarver he was outof his prime and didnt have it anymore. jones is an all time great

Can't imagine Greb, Monzon, Hagler, Griffith, Robinson, Lamotta, Burley, getting KO'd in 2 by an average fighter no matter how far past their prime they were. Greats come through hard rounds in fights to re-impose themselves. Jones is not able to do this. Once someone tears his script up he simply folds.

I wouldn't rate Jones as ther 2nd greatest Middleweight and I wouldn't rate Robinson as 1st. I think Robinson's best days were at welterweight.

Ezzard,

Robinson is the best at both middleweight and welterweight. I dont think he would lose at either weight especially the night he won the title from La Motta.

- NAME ME A MIDDLEWEIGHT WHO WOULD BEAT JONES OTHER THAN ROBINSON???? were talking Middleweight not light heavyweight. at middleweight, Jones is a force to be reckon with and even with a hurt back he easily outpointed Hopkins. I just think hed beat all the middleweight greats like monzon, hagler, greb, ketchel. ITs just my opinion u can argue me if u want to.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Interesting topic,
Least Favorite Fighters

Felix Trinidad- I disliked him after he got a gift desicion over Oscar, and I felt that effected Oscar the rest of his career.

Antonio Tarver- Disrespecting Jones, and Jones mother AND SHOWING NO CLASS. and bitching about how he won the first fight when he cleary didnt. I love jones, and a peak jones would destroy tarver. Im glad glen johnson beat tarver.

GOgeu Mitu- UR 7'4 WEIGH 300 LBS AND YOU GET KNOCKED OUT BY A BUM!!! UR A DISGRACE TO GIANTS

Jack Johnson- the guy was porbably a nut case. he paraded around the country with white woman and he def was the most hated champ.


Ingemar Johanssen
vitali klictscho
chris bryd
Darius michalczweski - why not leave europe to fight jones
Larry holmes
zab judah
alot more that i cant think of right now

Why would Jack Johnson be the most hated champ? A nutcase.....hmmm........... if anything the man had a good head on his shoulders. How many fighters do you know that would be able to not lose their cool or get frustrated when the whole crowd wanted you to lose and were calling you names like person?

Jack Johnson was a great man.

Grimm, maybe u like johnson and I dont really have a problem with him but the guy liked to break rules alot and ran out of the country with white woman who were all his wives... the guy was asking for trouble.

ANd in the eyes of Boxing fans, in history. Jack Johnson is considered the most hates heavyweight champion especially of that era. Most of it was because of racial reasons im guessing.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Ezzard,

Robinson is the best at both middleweight and welterweight. I dont think he would lose at either weight especially the night he won the title from La Motta.

- NAME ME A MIDDLEWEIGHT WHO WOULD BEAT JONES OTHER THAN ROBINSON???? were talking Middleweight not light heavyweight. at middleweight, Jones is a force to be reckon with and even with a hurt back he easily outpointed Hopkins. I just think hed beat all the middleweight greats like monzon, hagler, greb, ketchel. ITs just my opinion u can argue me if u want to.

Well I'll name one for a start and that's La Motta. If he can beat Robinson then he can beat Jones.

Jones was a fanatstic boxer with great speed and reflexes but when did he overcome a problem in the ring? When did he ever get involved in a close fight and come out on top? Jones "looked" great when beating people he was clearly superior to but he doesn't really have the heart to mix it with these men. Okay, I can imagine a scenario where Jones dances his way to a decision against almost anyone because he is quality but so were these guys. And my point is at some point they WILL have some success against him and I just don't think he can respond.

Greb moved up in weight to face the naturally bigger and master boxer Gene Tunney. He beat Tunney up and in many accounts I've read should have got the decision in the rematch. Greb also gave Dempsey hell in sparring. I know that there isn't much in the way of film of the man in action but when you look at records, achievements and reports i just can't see how a prime Greb loses to Jones.

I know you're going to say that RJJ was past it when Tarver and Johnson beat him but there is no way either of those two are going to KO Greb, Hagler, Monzon, Burley... And Jones' attitude in the Jonson fight was pathetic.

Anyway this leads me to believe that Jones can be hurt and he's just not going to be able to keep a prime Hagler off him for 15 rounds.

My belief is this... All fighters will meet someone at some point who can match them, pose problems, shake them up, hurt them and put them on the receiving end for a while. The greats fight through the pain and find the mental strength to come again (Ali, Marciano, Leonard, Robinson, the lsit goes on and on). Jones has never done this. The only fights he's ever been in trouble in he's lost.

Tony Ayala Jr.

Johnny Nelson - performed like a total pussy against the hardly formidable Carlos Deleon & James Warring, finally wins a bogus 'world title' belt years later & acts like he's the greatest cruiserweight ever.

I challenge anybody to name a more boring fight than Nelson -v Deleon or Nelson -v Warring?

Syntax Error wrote:I challenge anybody to name a more boring fight than Nelson -v Deleon or Nelson -v Warring?

Calzaghe vs Starie was almost as bad.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Ezzard,

Robinson is the best at both middleweight and welterweight. I dont think he would lose at either weight especially the night he won the title from La Motta.

- NAME ME A MIDDLEWEIGHT WHO WOULD BEAT JONES OTHER THAN ROBINSON???? were talking Middleweight not light heavyweight. at middleweight, Jones is a force to be reckon with and even with a hurt back he easily outpointed Hopkins. I just think hed beat all the middleweight greats like monzon, hagler, greb, ketchel. ITs just my opinion u can argue me if u want to.

Well, at least you've got the decency to point out you're just sharing an opinion--I gotta respect that
My own opion is that Greb in particular would beat him--given who Greb did beat--and I'd go with Monzon as well. I'd lean in favor of Hagler, but gladly admit that could be my heart as much as my head talikng--and think that Fitzsimmons is a tough call--I just don't have much to go on as far as footage of either him or his opponents in action.

As someone earlier mentioned, if Lamotta could beat Ray, then he could beat Roy, too. Fullmer and Graziano would both have the proverbial puncher's chance, while the pressure than someone like Mickey Walker could bring, coupled with his durability, would make for an awfully tough fight. I also like Dick Tiger's chances. Charley Burley would be no walk in the park either.

But then, of course, these are all just my opinions.

OK, back to the original question in this thread--have I just missed it, or has no one mentioned...(drum roll, please)...

JOHN RUIZ?!

C'mon, people, how can anyone hate any heavyweight--champion or otherwise--more than this guy?

Why, oh why, won't this guy just go compete for WWF belts, where his "skills" would be better appreciated?

KOJOE90 wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:I challenge anybody to name a more boring fight than Nelson -v Deleon or Nelson -v Warring?

Calzaghe vs Starie was almost as bad.

I swear to god I was looking forward to that fight, and now, years later, the single abiding memory I have of it is them both standing belly to belly, tied up in a clinch, hugging each other.

Roy Jones Jr. - The man ran his mouth his whole career, but didn't feel the need to back it up. Sorry, Roy, a win against Toney does not make you the greatest. A tactical win against a rather poor Hopkins, who looked like a novice, makes it almost silly to think of you fighting a great fighter like Hagler or Monzon or Fullmer or La Motta. A win against Ruiz... it might mean more if you didn't talk your whole career about challenging the heavyweight champion and then finally do it only when fornicating no-hoper Ruiz got ahold of a small piece of the title. And then refuse to fight any other heavyweights before or after.

It's ok for a fighter to run their mouth, but they better back it up to the fullest extent possible (ex: Ali). In addition, Jones displayed a lifelong total absence of class and was a dirty fighter in the ring (hitting fighters while they were down, etc.).

-Dapa

In general I tend to dislike anybody that was ever on on Olympic boxing team. I will soon come to hate anybody Jim Lampley doesn't hate. I hate every single fighter that people begin calling an "all-time" great when he is 11-0.

>>>>It's ok for a fighter to run their mouth, but they better back it up to the fullest extent possible (ex: Ali). In addition, Jones displayed a lifelong total absence of class and was a dirty fighter in the ring (hitting fighters while they were down, etc.).<<<

That's so ridiculous that it's comical! Not only did Jones back up everything he said, he had no need to be dirty...given he did have one lapse, when he grazed Griffin while Griffin was on one knee, but its the act that Griffin put on after, by acting like Jones landed a nuclear bomb on his chin. as he played knocked out...only time in Jones' career that he broke the rules, but I guess really it's because Jones just beat everyone's ass so convincingly and without a lot of effort that it was not only unfair, but down right dirty that Jones was so good!

barry wrote: when he grazed Griffin while Griffin was on one knee

You seem to be completely out of touch with reality. When Jones hit Griffin while he was down, it was one of the most blatant instances of such a foul that I have ever seen. There was no question that it was intentional, it was not just a brush or that he was just carrying through his combination and couldn't stop.

If Jones had backed up his talk, he would have given Hopkins at least one rematch. If he backed up his talk he would have fought Michaelcewski at some point in the many years during which Michaelcewski held the linear title and Jones held the phony titles. If he backed up his talk he would have fought some of the other guys he avoided, like Nigel Benn.

Jones was one of the best fighters of his weak era -- but he talked much bigger than that. He said he was one of the greatest ever, he said nobody could touch him, he said he was on a whole 'nother level, and he never came close to backing that up. Now that he's been KO'd twice by mediocre fighters, even though I think that is somewhat due to old age, maybe you should reconsider what many said throughout Jones' career which was that he would eventually be exposed.

I have always viewed Jones as a Hamed type -- talented, even a great fighter, but destined to be exposed. Jones is no Ali, but he thought he was, pretended he was, and as far as I'm concerned that makes him a big fat phony. Ali did everything possible to prove his talk. A guy like Mayweather, he's doing everything he can. Do you think he will avoid a rematch with Corrales? I don't think so! If he did, then he had better shut his damn mouth about how great he is.

Why do you think Jones would never give Hopkins a rematch when Hopkins got so much better as a fighter after their first match? You're telling me Jones can't make a catch-weight when he's coming into matches weighing 171, 172, 173lbs?

The more I think about his career, the farther Jones falls in my book. It is difficult to imagine him defeating a fighter on the level of a Barrera or Morales if he had any fighters like that in his division. He is just like Hamed was, except he was lucky enough not to get exposed while in his prime.

If Barrera hadn't been around to slap Hamed like a little bitch, then people would be talking about him as one of the greatest too.

-Dapa

>>>Why do you think Jones would never give Hopkins a rematch when Hopkins got so much better as a fighter after their first match?<<<

For starters Hopkins never wanted to move up to Jones' weight, so the blame is more on Hopkins than Jones...Jones even offered to come down to 168, which would have been stupid, but Hopkins felt that he was worth more than the four, or five million that was offered, so the bout fell through...not because Jones didn't want it, but because Hopkins did not accept! It would not have made a difference anyway...it would have been a replay of the first bout. This is not meant as an insult, but do some more fact-finding before stating things that you have not done your homework on!

barry wrote:>>>Why do you think Jones would never give Hopkins a rematch when Hopkins got so much better as a fighter after their first match?<<<

For starters Hopkins never wanted to move up to Jones' weight, so the blame is more on Hopkins than Jones...Jones even offered to come down to 168, which would have been stupid, but Hopkins felt that he was worth more than the four, or five million that was offered, so the bout fell through...not because Jones didn't want it, but because Hopkins did not accept! It would not have made a difference anyway...it would have been a replay of the first bout. This is not meant as an insult, but do some more fact-finding before stating things that you have not done your homework on!

Actually, I recall numerous times Hopkins talking about wanting to fight Jones and wanting to fight him at a catch-weight and it never happening. Maybe you're right that Hopkins didn't try hard to make the fight, though.

If you're telling me that Hopkins turned down $4-5 million to fight Jones then I would like to see some back-up of that, because it was only a few years ago that Hopkins was getting only like $150k for his title defenses and all angry and bitter about it. That sounds like bullshit to me, although perhaps such an offer was made with some insanely oppressive contractual terms attached that they new Hopkins would reject.

Jones is famous for saying, "Oh yeah, I'll fight this that and the other guy," like Buster Douglas, when he has no intention whatsoever of doing so.

-Dapa

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Roy Jones is one of the best middleweights ever 2nd to robinson.

Jones 2nd to Robinson at middleweight ??? Hmmmm, probably in speed.