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Lets get some lists rolling. I'll start it off. this is tough rating fighters because this is all pound for pound.

top 20:

1. sugar ray Robinson - Possesed the great boxing ability. Untouchable at welterweight. He dominated welterweight divison and midddleweight divison. Past his prime he beat many hall of famers. Nearly won light-H title. Amazing speed, power, skill, heart, and stamina.
2. sam Langford - Never got to fight for title, 167 wins. Weighed only 175 but beat much larger men. Easily would have been champ at Middleweight and light-H. Beta heavyweight Harry wills, and Joe gans.
3. Joe Louis- greatest heavyweight of all time, most title defenses
4. Henry Armstrong- 151 wins, 3 time world champ, beat ambers, and ross and possed KO power and a warriors attitude.
5. Muhammad Ali- first 3 time world heavyweight champ, superb boxer and amazing speed. Beat many hall of famers.
6. Barney Ross- 72-4. 3 time champ, beat canzoneri twice, ruled 3 divisions
7. Harry Greb- Middle weight champ, beat micky walker and only man to beat gene tunney. USA light-H champ.
8. Willie Pep - One of best stylist boxers ever, dominated featherweight
division. 230-11 record. beat sandy saddler in peak fight to regain title.
9. Roberto Duran- born to fight, best lightweight ever, stepped up to win Welterwight title by beating sugar ray leonard. won WBC midd title at 37.
10. Sugar Ray Leonard-incredible boxer, 5 time champ, Beat Hagler and hearns and duran.
11. Sandy Saddler- Beat Pep 3 times, ruled featherweight divison, possesed a lot of power.
12. Ezzard Charles-greatest light-H all time, dominant heavyweight champ.indredible boxing skills.
13. Mickey Walker- Middleweight and welterweight champion,great brawler, held sharkey to Draw. beat much larger men.
14. Benny Leonard- One of the best lightsweights all time, superb boxer
15. Rocky Marciano- undefeated heavyweight champ, est KO percentage among heavyweights all time.
16. Roy Jones jr- god given boxing ability, dominated 3 weight classes. beat hopkins, toney and outclassed everyone in light heavyweight.
17. Marvin Hagler- never hurt, Ruled Middleweight divison in 80s and beat the likes of duran and hearns.
18. Jack Johnson-best defensive boxer. held title for 6 years. Untouchable in his prime.
19. Archie Moore- all time leader in KOs. Ruled light-H division for 10 years. past his prime when won title.
20. Julio Cesar Chavez- 90-0 before losing. dominated 3 weight classes. showed hes a true warrior.

Lets get some more lists. Barry, perhaps u could fill in some possible spots for old timers which u know a lot about. do guys like Joe Gans, Tony Canzoneri, Johhny dundee, joe walcottt deserve to be on this list???

That's a pretty solid list, but I'd probably have Greb top five. Gans certainly deserves recognition, but my lightweight ranks looks like 1. Benny Leonard, 2. Duran, 3. Gans. I would probably have Terry McGovern, but that's just me as I feel that he accomplished enough during the short time that he was on top to be a top 20, hell he beat every top batamweight and featherweight of the time in just a couple of years.

Lets get some more lists going.

I throw out heavyweights when compiling a pound for pound list. They're too difficult to place in a p4p sense. My p4p list would be:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Bob Fitzsimmons (I know he was a HW champ, but I'm factoring in that he was a natural LH and that he won undisputed titles at middle, LH, and Heavy)
5. Jimmy Wilde
6. Eder Jofre
7. Harry Greb
8. Joe Gans
9. Roberto Duran
10. Benny Leonard
11. Archie Moore
12. Barney Ross
13. Terry McGovern
14. Carlos Monzon
15. Sandy Saddler
16. George Dixon
17. Sugar Ray Leonard
18. Pernell Whitaker
19. Fighting Harada
20. Marvin Hagler

Deepak