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uh oh, i bob arum have gotten my hands on my dear friend and partner in evils don kings time machine, i have made my own little money make in which i will pit the greatest jr welters and welters in a 16 man tourney to have an undisputed all-time welterweight champion

the fighters are as following and as in dons evil lay out winners of matches labeled 1 fighter eachother and same with the 2's and 3's etc, after that being matched from top to bottom

matches are as follows:

1- ike quartey ~ kostya tzyu
1- roger mayweather ~ **ray robinson**

2- emile griffith ~ pipino cuevas
2- julio cesear chavez ~ pernell whitaker

3- shane mosely ~ ray leonard
3- tommy hearns ~ oscar de la hoya

4- felix trinidad ~ roberto duran
4- aaron pryor ~ wilfred benitz

** sadly ray was injured while being captured and suffer not only a broken jaw and a broken right thumb but he also has a bruised rib

muhahaha i bob arum am screwing vegas with those outrageous odds they put on robinson once i told em i was putting him in the tourney, little do they know id swindle not only them but my own mother too, hahaha

1-quartey
i like quartey in this possible war, i feel he has been in with the better opposition so his chin is better tested to stand up to power.
1-maywether
come on arum cripled robinson, no way ray could beat a guy of rogers calibur with a broken jaw, thumb and messed up ribs

2-griffith
ok i was short a slot in the tournement went to the title section and this guy pipino looked like he could be a good tough opponent, but since i havnt seen any of his fights, try not to mock me, i gotta go against him
2-jcc
a primed julio i think has enough tricks to beat a limiteded, ofensively, fighter such as pernel, pernel i think has the bigger heart possibly quicker but jc has the experience, and power

3-leonard
i hate ray leonard, not only does he have the fakest act, he has the fakest smile but the guy was a badass in the ring. i think mosely can become more, potentially but onlytime will tell. as is mosely dosnt have the big fights under his belt to beat a guy who is quite comprable in all fields save maybe style. less satanic smile is mosely by a longshot though
3-oscar
i know everyone thinks im a crack smoking fiend in my views of oscar. way i see it is these guys at welter would be very even, speed hearns, power though oscar didnt have as high of a kayo rate as hearns at welter i still see the punches being pretty much the same on tape, just hearns are faster so it looks like they are harder, to me of course. i think oscar has a more sturdy chin and has more ring smarts than hearns. hearns got beat while up on ray leonard which isnt shameful but he got himself into that situation and couldnt get out, but oscar when he got in trouble with felix knew what he needed to do to save himself from fire, or so he thought. so hearns with speed as to oscars ring smarts and chin

4-duran
felix would have been kayoed, weve seen his legs buckle on more than one occasion when in against a power hitter, i see this as a better tougher shorter hopkins tito fight. while hopkins and durans style arnt all that similar i say that in that tito would try to go bomb for bomb and go packing early against roberto
4-benitz
experience, desire, technical ability all in favor of wilfred, pryor would be game to make it a could fight but in the end i think he'd be short on card by 3-4 rounds

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quartey-mayweather
mayweather
quartey lacks the ability to make things go his favor in big fights, enter oscar and vargas fights, while many feel he got robbed on the vargas fight and ive heard some people say he got screwed against de la hoya...i dont see it, i just see him as an A- guy looking in. enogh to be game and make fights good, not good enough to win em though

jcc-griffith
jcc
jcc has everthing in this one again in my opinion save possibly power. id see him braving emiles punishment to get to his body, after that its all over.

oscar-leonard
leonard
like i said i see mosely as a greener version of leonard in many ways, maybe a more agressive fighter though, shane definately will pounce faster but other than that... anyway if mosely can out point oscar so can ray leonard

duran-benitz
dur...ben?...duran?...duran
duran was a stronger fighter the lower in weight he was, sure he got outpointed by wilfed at light middle, but moveit down to welter or jr welter and you got a new ball game.

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mayweather-jcc
jcc
roger was kayoed by jcc already, do i smell a repeat?

leonard-duran
leonard
while i used the 'the lower he gets in weight the tougher he is' for duran againts benitz sugar ray had durans number and he proved it.

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jcc-leonard
anyone want to call this for me?

1- ike quartey ~ kostya tzyu
1- roger mayweather ~ **ray robinson**

2- emile griffith ~ pipino cuevas
2- julio cesear chavez ~ pernell whitaker

3- shane mosely ~ ray leonard
3- tommy hearns ~ oscar de la hoya

4- felix trinidad ~ roberto duran
4- aaron pryor ~ wilfred benitz
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Tzyu beats quartey and moves on...

Robinson beats Mayweather UD 15 with his injuries....

Only Fight I saw Pipino in was when Hearns utterly and completely destroyed him in 2 rounds, Griffith uses his experience on the top level to move on to the next round...

Whitaker uses his great skills to beat JC Superstar, AND DOESNT GET ROBBED!!!!!!

Ray Leanord couldn't handle a guy like Mosley, with such speed, power, chin, and heart. Sure Duran and guys like Hagler were heavy hitters, but they weren't agile and fast too!

Hearns KO's DLH in the later rounds. DLH wins early rounds, but then Hearns starts to land the right hand.

In a furious battle, Tito beats Duran by a Hagler-Hearns type of 2 round battle. Tito down 3 times, Duran down 3 times, but ref stops it in the 2nd round and Tito is the winner.

Benitez tries to use his experience to beat Pryor, but Pryor, who never lost a title fight, and only lost in a comeback bout, pulls it outta the fire, and KO's Benitez down on the cards in the 8-10th round.

(Round 2 coming up)

Ray, you forgot Jose Napoles. Pretty good welter, moved up and challenged Monzon. He would probably be competitive with any of the Welters.

was he competetive at jr middle and middle? cause ill toss him into the middle tourney

I don't know if he ever fought at Jr. Middle, but he would probably be good at that weight. He was 77-7 with 54 knockouts for his career. He probably would be at some disadvantage as the moved up in weight because he wasn't a big Welter, I think he was 5-7 or 5-8.

FINALLY, I have come back to do round 2, lol...

kostya tzyu ~ **ray robinson**

emile griffith ~ pernell whitaker

shane mosely ~ tommy hearns

felix trinidad ~ aaron pryor

****Robinson's injuries NOW HEALED...
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Robinson gives Tszyu a boxing lesson, winning the first 12 rounds, then KO's Kostya in the 13th...

Emile's experience isn't enough to overcome Sweet Pea's great defense and quickness... UD 15 Sweet Pea.

Hearns SD 15 Mosley, GOD I'd love to see this fight... Mosley down once, Hearns down 3 times, but Hearns uses his reach to keep Mosley at bay, and Mosley's chin, heart gets him a split decision... but his looping punches cost him the fight.

In a war, Trinidad KO 5 Pryor, Pryor tries to take Tito out early in round 1, but gets sent to the canvas twice, recovers, and in round 2 sends Tito down... but Tito recovers, and in round 5 sends Pryor down twice before the ref stops it...

(round 3 on its way)

ray robinson ~ pernell whitaker

tommy hearns ~ felix trinidad
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Ray Robinson's superior boxing skills vs Whitaker's superior defensive skills, but defense don't win fights vs a guy like Ray Robinson... UD 15 Ray

Hearns keeps Tito's left hook away with his jab, and tito gets sent down twice in round 6 from great, we're talking mass destruction right hands from HEarns and the ref steps in and stops it as Tito lays cold sprawled out on his back.

(The Final round is coming)

The Championship!!!!!!
ray robinson ~ tommy hearns
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Hearns comes out looking to KO robinson early... But just wears himself down, but wins rounds 1-4 (40-36 Hearns). Robinson takes advantage of Hearns' fatigue and gets in close and bangs away at the body and takes rounds 5,6, 7, and 8. (76-76) Rounds 9-14 are split (133-133) And at the beginning of round 15, both Kid Gavilan and Henry Armstrong charge the ring, and take out both fighters, being that they're pissed to be NOT in this tournament

damnit damnit dammnit, i knew i didnt cripple ray enough! bah damn you and your infinite greatness robinson. interesting point of veiw there justin more probably would agree with the way you see it than me.

Yea, Ray, you should've had Ray's left arm amputated or something permenant, lol. Then He would've lost before the infamous NC to hearns in the final...

1- ike quartey ~ kostya tzyu
1- roger mayweather ~ **ray robinson**

2- emile griffith ~ pipino cuevas
2- julio cesear chavez ~ pernell whitaker

3- shane mosely ~ ray leonard
3- tommy hearns ~ oscar de la hoya

4- felix trinidad ~ roberto duran
4- aaron pryor ~ wilfred benitz

Quartey
Havent seen Tzyu so i have to go with ike on this one UD12
Robinson
Far far too fast and good enough to stay away mayweather in a UD12

Griffith
Cuevas was just too slow and was only champ because of a lack of competition in the WBA ranks UD12
Whitaker
Chavez is a great fighter but was just too slow for Whitaker sweet pea also had a solid chin aswell. UD12

Leonard
I hate leonard but after the forrest fight i have to say that there is no way mosely could overcome ray UD12
Hearns
I dont know what whoever was talking about oscar having a solid chin his chin is poor at best Hearns by KO3

Duran
I dont care how hard tito hits if a mediocre puncher like hopkins can knock him down then i see a man like Duran killing him TKO10
Pryor
I also dont care how fast benitez was pryor had exceptional stamina and speed a good power and a great chin his only weakness is that hes a slow starter Benitez doesnt hit hard enough to KO him early so its a UD12

Round 2
Quartey Robinson
Robinson
Not even a close one everyone saw how vargas killed quartey well robinson was just that much better TKO11

Griffith Whitaker
Whitaker
Whitaker is just too fast for all of them i dont care who sure he was slower at welter but hes still fast enough to pick up a UD12

Leonard Hearns
Hearns
Leonard never neat hears convinsingly the first one was stopped way too early and the second one was all hearns this time there is no champion so hearns doesnt get robbed UD12

Duran Pryor
Pryor
Duran had the power Pryor had the chin Pryor had the speed and the stamina advantage at lightweight i see duran but not at welter or jr welter pryor comes very close in another thrilla in manilla but wins a MD12

Round 3
Robinson Whitaker
Whitaker
I dont like whitaker but i still think hes fust too fast for robinson plus robinson lost to many people he shouldve beat the first time i see whitaker just getting away for a SD12

Hearns Pryor
Pryor
Hearns had power but a weak chin was very fast but had little stamina to speak of pryor on the other hand had good power and a great chin was not extremely but pretty fast and had unlimited stamina i see hearns winning the first rounds but tiring out and losing via TKO12

Tournament final

Whitaker Pryor
Pryor
Whitaker couldnt hurt pryor and pryor didnt tire at all both were fast but eventually pryor would corner the tiring whitaker and that would be all of it as whitaker dispite all of his defensive skills couldnt ward off pryor TKO12-15

BTW fights that are not championship are not 15 rounds

BTW fights that are not championship are not 15 rounds

Given the preliminary fights were for the IBO, IBC, etc titles, they were 15 rounders