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Herbie: Fully Loaded

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 09:08
by Wellington
Herbie: Fully Loaded

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Former two times WBO heavyweight champion Herbie Hide has enlisted the services of the respected trainer Floyd Mayweather Senior ahead of his assault on the cruiserweight division.

‘The Dancing Destroyer’ has returned to his training base in Las Vegas in order to work with the father of WBC light welterweight champion and pound for pound contender ‘Pretty Boy’ Floyd Mayweather after a stay in Nigeria that followed the death of a close relative.

“Things have been a bit rough recently, but now it is time for me to get down to business again,” said Hide, who should next fight in September.

“Some people will doubt me because I have had comebacks stall in the past, but this time its different. I am going to win a third world title.”

He added: “The decision to move down to cruiserweight has re-invigorated me. This is a completely fresh challenge; I feel the excitement again.

“I am excited that I am going to make history by becoming the first British fighter to win a world title at heavyweight and then at cruiserweight.

“Now I enjoy getting up early in the morning to go for my runs. Now I can’t wait to get in the gym, particularly since I have started working with Floyd.

“He is different to anybody else I have worked with in the past, because he commands my respect. I take in everything he says.

“When Floyd started training me, I queried something he said. He turned round and asked me if I wanted a trainer or not.

“He is a strict disciplinarian and that is just what I need.

“With Floyd in my corner I am going to wreak havoc at cruiserweight. As a heavyweight I knocked out 34 of my 35 victims, can you imagine what I am going to be able to do now?

“I have been watching videos of all the world champions in the division. They wont be able to live with me. I could take out Johnny Nelson, Jean Marc Mormeck and O’Neil Bell on the same night.”

Hide’s new trainer shares his confidence.

"Herbie was knocking out heavy weights when he was a cruiserweight, now he is fighting at the weight he should have been from the beginning, I dread to think what he will do,” said Floyd Mayweather Senior.

“Remember that Riddick Bowe said that Herbie was the hardest puncher he had ever met - Herbie was only a cruiserweight then and he was still hurting heavyweights.

“With the way I have got him catching and throwing punches it is going to be an exciting year.

“The cruiserweight division needs someone like him: a two times heavyweight champion of the world who was knocking out heavyweights.

“Herbie will bring that power, excitement and money to the division."

Such is Hide’s reputation that he has already been avoided heavily at cruiserweight in Britain.

“When David Haye pulled out of the Mark Hobson fight on the Fight Academy show scheduled for July 22nd, I offered to step in on just eight days notice,” Hide explained.

“The Hennessy Sports matchmaker John Ingle even contacted the Fight Academy matchmaker Richard Poxon to offer them the fight – before the show was cancelled by Sky.

“To prove to Sky that I was serious, I even faxed over a doctors certificate of my weight to prove that I could make the cruiserweight limit. On the Saturday before the fight, I was just 6lbs over – even though I had eaten twice that day.

“Me against Hobson would have been an excellent replacement fight. The fans would have got to see me knocking out a British champion in style.

Hide continued: “Through John Ingle, Hennessy Sports have also made a generous offer to Richard Poxon at Fight Academy for Carl Thompson to fight me.

“For some reason, they weren’t interested. Do these guys want to fight or not?”

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 10:32
by KO Artist
Herbie should sign with Fight Academy, then all the fights can be made.

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 11:41
by Gwyndaff
I actually can't wait to see Herbie at cruiser. He's always exciting to watch, and I have to agree with him, he really should be able to knock most of the current cruisers for 6!

If he's serious and he gets the chance, I think he could easily be world champion.

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 11:59
by Old bones Ian
I've got a few of Herbies early fights on tape, when he was around the cruiser weight, and he was devistating, but alot of things have happened since then, don't know if he would still have it anymore

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 12:03
by nickd
It will be interesting to see how he gets on, but in all honesty does Chingangu hit much harder than the best cruisers in the world? I would say not so his chin is still going to be a problem even at the lower weight.

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 14:19
by Hesketh Vampire
Hide is just a talker these days. If he does fight again then the breaks between his fights will make Audley look active.

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 16:37
by silkov
A third world title?.. 8) :-? :x ... when did he win the first two??? :x .......... :o :o :o

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 17:38
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
I'm a Herbie fan and he could dominate the Cruser division if he is what he once was BUT how much will he have left?

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 17:56
by Hesketh Vampire
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:I'm a Herbie fan....
:o Any specific reason?

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 18:00
by silkov
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:I'm a Herbie fan and he could dominate the Cruser division if he is what he once was BUT how much will he have left?
The guy has never had either a chin nor a heart... he'll be koed the first time that he gets hit by a decent punch...... :box:

Posted: 29 Jul 2005, 18:13
by stujones
Thats a cracking heading for the presser.

Floyd Mayweather Snr?? Dont rate him personally, he has ruined DLH - very surprised DLH is still with him.

Posted: 30 Jul 2005, 02:45
by Timmbo
Anyone seen the film? Herbie was being put into the crusher ! :lol: :lol:

Posted: 30 Jul 2005, 03:23
by pasty_spud
silkov wrote:A third world title?.. 8) :-? :x ... when did he win the first two??? :x .......... :o :o :o
he won his first WBO belt v michael bentt in 1994,lost it in his next fight v riddick bowe,won the WBO again in 1997 v tony tucker and held it till vitali klitchko beat him in 1999...

re

Posted: 30 Jul 2005, 04:01
by barry
This is something he should have tried about five, or six years ago! He may be able to beat most cruisers, but I think he will be in big trouble when he faces, if he faces, Mormeck. Plus there are several cruisers out there that carry very heavy hands! I think too much time has passed now!

Posted: 30 Jul 2005, 06:51
by stujones
I just think this is a last ditch attempt to salvage his career, I would like to see this happening. Not so long ago Herbie was 31 lbs over that limit and he looked ripped at that weight also. Its 1991 the last time Hide weighed less than 200 lbs and he was only under it by 9 lbs - His body frame has changed since then.

I'm not expecting big things from Hide at Cruiser. He's not going to get any faster and might suffer like Roy Jones has to make the weight.

Posted: 30 Jul 2005, 09:26
by silkov
pasty_spud wrote:
silkov wrote:A third world title?.. 8) :-? :x ... when did he win the first two??? :x .......... :o :o :o
he won his first WBO belt v michael bentt in 1994,lost it in his next fight v riddick bowe,won the WBO again in 1997 v tony tucker and held it till vitali klitchko beat him in 1999...
I know all that but the fact is that he was never a genuine world champion and it really sickens me that the guy can claim to be a TWO TIME world champion!!!.... MADNESS!!!...

Posted: 30 Jul 2005, 10:01
by Lefthookhappy19
Maybe Herbie's speed will comeback. He probably did tons of weights to try and bulk up so he wouldn't get manhandled by the big heavys. I wanna see his frame at cruiser.

Pitter Patter!

Posted: 02 Aug 2005, 15:09
by HeavyHitters
You mean Herbie Hide, "Partially Loaded"

:lol: :TU: :lol:

Posted: 02 Aug 2005, 17:41
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
Hesketh Vampire wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:I'm a Herbie fan....
:o Any specific reason?
Herbie-Bowe was 1 of my earlier great boxing memories, I really routed for him, and surely he showed heart in that fight (for the man who said he didn't have chin or heart). And his chin would be less of a factor against Cruserweights

Anyone want to see Hide against Nelson, Haye and the top guns in the division - hes got a great shot against any.

Posted: 02 Aug 2005, 18:05
by nickd
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Hesketh Vampire wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:I'm a Herbie fan....
:o Any specific reason?
Herbie-Bowe was 1 of my earlier great boxing memories, I really routed for him, and surely he showed heart in that fight (for the man who said he didn't have chin or heart). And his chin would be less of a factor against Cruserweights

Anyone want to see Hide against Nelson, Haye and the top guns in the division - hes got a great shot against any.
Hide was an absolute joke in that fight, he was going down without any shots landing. The pathetic sight of him trying to cling to Bowe's legs still has me in stitches when I think about it.

Hide will lose as soon as he faces a stiff test, the man has no balls.

Posted: 02 Aug 2005, 18:22
by Tantum
Herbie was down for 14 seconds after being hit in the head with Riddick Bowe's bicep.

Richard Steele ruled it a slip, because he didn't get punched, and at first it didn't look like a KD, but Herbie was hurt bad.


If you can get KO'd (14 seconds) from someone's bicep hitting you... You probably shouldn't be weight draining.

I bet you 70 year old Floyd Patterson could knock him out, with one punch.

Posted: 02 Aug 2005, 18:30
by stujones
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Hesketh Vampire wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:I'm a Herbie fan....
:o Any specific reason?
Herbie-Bowe was 1 of my earlier great boxing memories, I really routed for him, and surely he showed heart in that fight (for the man who said he didn't have chin or heart). And his chin would be less of a factor against Cruserweights

Anyone want to see Hide against Nelson, Haye and the top guns in the division - hes got a great shot against any.
Phenomenal,

Herbie's chin though is astronmically bad, I mean nothing shots but him away - should have seen the signs when he went down early in his career vs Craig Peterson.

I still see Cruiserweight punchers - which most of the decent domestic Cruisers happen to be, taking him out when they land flush.

Posted: 02 Aug 2005, 19:56
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
stujones wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Hesketh Vampire wrote: :o Any specific reason?
Herbie-Bowe was 1 of my earlier great boxing memories, I really routed for him, and surely he showed heart in that fight (for the man who said he didn't have chin or heart). And his chin would be less of a factor against Cruserweights

Anyone want to see Hide against Nelson, Haye and the top guns in the division - hes got a great shot against any.
Phenomenal,

Herbie's chin though is astronmically bad, I mean nothing shots but him away - should have seen the signs when he went down early in his career vs Craig Peterson.

I still see Cruiserweight punchers - which most of the decent domestic Cruisers happen to be, taking him out when they land flush.
To be honest when I started watching Herb, it was before I had boxed or had a good understanding of the sport. I still like his fast furious style though.

I'll still support Herb, even though his chin isn't so solid and hes probably shot anyway.

1 thing to Remember is look how a top Crusers get blown out by average HW contenders. Look how Jirov was destroyed by Moorer - does he have a china chin at Cruser? Or how Moorer got ko'd by Foreman - his chin was fine at 175. Look at how Gomez was taken out by Diaz. Look at how Spinks was blown away by Tyson.

The only Crusers to do anything at HW are Holyfield and Toney (sort of). So fighting for Cruser titles is far easier than fighting HW contenders.

Chin to Knee

Posted: 02 Aug 2005, 23:36
by HeavyHitters
Tantum wrote:Herbie was down for 14 seconds after being hit in the head with Riddick Bowe's bicep.

Richard Steele ruled it a slip, because he didn't get punched, and at first it didn't look like a KD, but Herbie was hurt bad.


If you can get KO'd (14 seconds) from someone's bicep hitting you... You probably shouldn't be weight draining.

I bet you 70 year old Floyd Patterson could knock him out, with one punch.
I think when he slipped in front of Bowe, Herbies chin came down hard and flush on Bowe's knee, which put him on queer street for the rest of the fight.
I don't think it was a punch or an elbow.

:TU:

Posted: 03 Aug 2005, 21:54
by Tantum
Bowe's legs weren't bent.