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Holmes Vs Spinks 1- could have gone either way. i actually had it 143-142 spinks.

Homes vs spinks II- I thought larry holmes won this one. 9 rounds to 6 or 144-141

Pernell Whitaker vs De La hoya- I had it 114-113 de la hoya. a lot of people thought whitaker won even though on judges card whitaker lost by a landslide. why were judges cards so wide at 116-110, 115-111, 116-110 oscar.


Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton- i had it 143-143 draw. this fight was too close for a winner.

Sugar ray leonard vs tommy hearns I- at the time of the stoppage tommy even though knocked down was up 125-122,125-121, and 125-121. were those scores too wide. bur sugar though they were. what did u have it after 13 rounds. i had it 124-123 hearns.


Muhammad ali vs Ken NOrton III- one of the most controversial decisions of all time. who do u think won??

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Robetot Duran I- scores were very close and one round separated leonard from victory.

buster douglas- miek tyson- did we have a potential controversial decision if buster didnt knock tyson out in the 10th. the fight was even after 9 rounds. though many i assume though douglas was winning.

Holmes- Spins 1 and 2 I scored both for spinks.

Whittaker-DLH I scored for DLH

Holmes-Norton I scored for Holmes, he won the first half of the fight on his jab alone and outside of the last few rounds he pretty much had control the entire time.

Ali-Norton 3 I scored it for Norton.

Leonard-Duran 1 I scored for Duran

Douglas-Tyson I scored for Douglas fairly easily until the KO. I could only give Tyson a couple of rounds at best plus a two point round for the KD

Whitaker Vs DLH - I had it 115-113 Whitaker -

Holmes Vs Spinks II - Agree with you, I had Holmes winning -

Tyson Vs Dougles - I had Douglas winning -

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Holmes Vs Spinks 1- could have gone either way. i actually had it 143-142 spinks.

Homes vs spinks II- I thought larry holmes won this one. 9 rounds to 6 or 144-141

Pernell Whitaker vs De La hoya- I had it 114-113 de la hoya. a lot of people thought whitaker won even though on judges card whitaker lost by a landslide. why were judges cards so wide at 116-110, 115-111, 116-110 oscar.


Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton- i had it 143-143 draw. this fight was too close for a winner.

Sugar ray leonard vs tommy hearns I- at the time of the stoppage tommy even though knocked down was up 125-122,125-121, and 125-121. were those scores too wide. bur sugar though they were. what did u have it after 13 rounds. i had it 124-123 hearns.


Muhammad ali vs Ken NOrton III- one of the most controversial decisions of all time. who do u think won??

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Robetot Duran I- scores were very close and one round separated leonard from victory.

buster douglas- miek tyson- did we have a potential controversial decision if buster didnt knock tyson out in the 10th. the fight was even after 9 rounds. though many i assume though douglas was winning.

Holmes vs Spinks 1 ...I had this for Spinks by about 2 or 3 rounds... Holmes clearly outboxed and even outpunched at times.

Holmes vs Spinks 2 ....I gave this to Holmes by about a round or two... closer than first fight but Holmes the more dominant imo.

Whitaker vs Delahoya ....total robbery imo... Pernal by about 2 or 3 rounds... like his fight against Chavez he was robbed again.

Holmes vs Norton ...I have Holmes winning by about 2 rounds... he dominated early with jab then finished strongly after comeback by Norton.... shame they didn't fight again though.

Leonard vs Hearns 1 Hearns clearly ahead I thought... outboxed and seemingly confused leonard... fight stopped too early I think. Hearns robbed in rematch too....

Ali vs Norton 3... I've watched this countless times and despite the myth that Norton won really I think Ali did enough to hold on to his title... strong finish by ALi was the key.....

Duran vs Leonard 1 ...I gave this to Duran by about 3 rounds... a clear victory... I can never understand why some people say Leonard won.

Douglas vs Tyson... Douglas should have been about 3 rounds ahead... at least........ dominated most of the fight except for when he was floored
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BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Holmes Vs Spinks 1- could have gone either way. i actually had it 143-142 spinks.

Spinks won close, don't remember actual point total and I haven't watched it in years...

Homes vs spinks II- I thought larry holmes won this one. 9 rounds to 6 or 144-141

I definitely though Holmes edged him by a round or two...

Pernell Whitaker vs De La hoya- I had it 114-113 de la hoya. a lot of people thought whitaker won even though on judges card whitaker lost by a landslide. why were judges cards so wide at 116-110, 115-111, 116-110 oscar.

I remember watching that fight on HBO (I think) with a friend, we were both DLH fans, so probably somewhat biased towards Oscar..and I was honestly surprised (pleasantly) when they announced the decision...thought Pernell won...couldn't believe the judges cards...but as a DLH fan, I figured the judges were smarter than me that night...also, DLH has had a number of bad decisions going both ways...perhaps a thread in itself...

Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton- i had it 143-143 draw. this fight was too close for a winner.

I was rooting for Holmes big time, I had already seen him live once, was very aware that he was very good...biased towards Holmes going in, I thought he won...but it was obviously razor close...could easily have gone 3 ways...W-L-D...

Sugar ray leonard vs tommy hearns I- at the time of the stoppage tommy even though knocked down was up 125-122,125-121, and 125-121. were those scores too wide. bur sugar though they were. what did u have it after 13 rounds. i had it 124-123 hearns.

I was rooting for Leonard...biased toward Leonard...but I felt he was down by at least 3 points...I felt he had to win by KO or he was going to lose...the end of that fight was like a late inning winning home run in baseball...you knew it was possible, but you really didn't think it would happen...Ray Leonard showed me something that night...that his greatness wasn't all made by the media, as his critics (and some of my friends) kept saying over and over...

Muhammad ali vs Ken NOrton III- one of the most controversial decisions of all time. who do u think won??

Everybody called it 'controvesial' at the time...but I just didn't see it that way...it was as close as Norton-Holmes would be a couple years later (minus the excellent action, of course)...it could easily have gone 3 ways...I remember watching a sports special on ABC after the fight to 'evaluate' the controversy...Howard Cosell hosted several boxing 'experts'...writers, officials, boxers, etc...I only saw it once (1976), don't remember who was on it...but they all watched the fight round by round, they all voted...and in the end...after the votes were tallied...it came out dead even...(big surprise! )

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Robetot Duran I- scores were very close and one round separated leonard from victory.

Duran definitely won...he also definitely lost the rematch

buster douglas- miek tyson- did we have a potential controversial decision if buster didnt knock tyson out in the 10th. the fight was even after 9 rounds. though many i assume though douglas was winning.

I have watched many fights...and scoring is always subjective...but I just don't see how Douglas wouldn't be considered a couple points up through 9...even with the two point knockdown round...every Tyson defender always comments on how 'Tyson wasn't the same in that fight.'...yeah, he wasn't the same because he was actually losing...something the fans and press weren't used to seeing...

I also have a theory about defending cahmpions who aren't fighting their normal "A" fight...judges and fans frequently give the champion a subconsious edge, I think...at first, when a champion is losing, they just don't believe it...or it hasn't sunk in yet, or something...people say the same thing about the first Liston-Clay fight...that it was even through 6...well, I sure didn't see it that way...young Clay was dominating that fight every round except the burning eyes round...and the judges had it even?

I agree with scientist on all bouts except Holmes Spinks 1. I had Holmes squeaking it by a round.

I'm with Sci Guy on these Good thread Blocky

Love to add 5 more to this discussion if possible.

DLH vs Trinidad

DLH vs Mosely 1 and 2

Taylor Hopkins

Ali Young


I think DLH beat Trinidad despite the bicycle
I'm with the Judges on DLH Mosely 1 but not 2
I'm with the judges on Taylor Hopkins
And Ali Young could have been a draw. But I don't think Young would have deserved a win.

...as I mentioned, you could have a seperate thread about bad DLH decisions in both directions...

I thought DLH had a huge lead on Trinidad...and apparently, so did he...
DLH won that fight in my mind...

He lost to Mosely the first time, the second was Oscar's in my mind...but I was amazed at how many people thought Sugar Shane had won...it was a real 50/50 deal I guess...Mosely certainly thought he lost, so did his corner...watch the tape if you have it...Mosely had that fight written off until the judges all gave it to him by the same score!

Taylor beat Hopkins...it wasn't pretty, but it was a win...

I thought Ali edged Young, but fully admit it could have gone 3 ways...W-L-D...You could make an arguement for Ali squeaking by several opponents in 1976-77...
but when you start looking at those fights as a group (Young, Norton III, Shavers), it makes you wonder...that's a lot of close fights going your way...he certainly had more luck with judges than DLH...

I thought hopkins beat taylor. what ur basically saying is besides round 5 and rounds 9-12 which hopkins clealry won, taylor won the rest of the close rounds?????? i am pretty sure hopkins won at least 1 of those close rounds making it a draw and rightfully retaining his title.

i had it 7 rounds to 5 hopkins. and the hopkins should defintely have been at least 6 rounds earning him the right to retian his title. a draw should have happened, but duane ford had a cock shoved up his ass during the 12th round.


i am another one o those firm believers that de la hoya won the tito fight despite the last 3 rounds. unlike taylor, oscar clearly dominated the first 9 rounds a lot more than taylor did. and i also think mosely won the first de la hoya fight, but the 2nd fight, i thought de lay hoya beat mosely pretty convinsingly 115-113. i thought de la hoya won a close but clear decision defintely winning 7 rounds.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Holmes Vs Spinks 1- could have gone either way. i actually had it 143-142 spinks.

Homes vs spinks II- I thought larry holmes won this one. 9 rounds to 6 or 144-141

Pernell Whitaker vs De La hoya- I had it 114-113 de la hoya. a lot of people thought whitaker won even though on judges card whitaker lost by a landslide. why were judges cards so wide at 116-110, 115-111, 116-110 oscar.


Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton- i had it 143-143 draw. this fight was too close for a winner.

Sugar ray leonard vs tommy hearns I- at the time of the stoppage tommy even though knocked down was up 125-122,125-121, and 125-121. were those scores too wide. bur sugar though they were. what did u have it after 13 rounds. i had it 124-123 hearns.


Muhammad ali vs Ken NOrton III- one of the most controversial decisions of all time. who do u think won??

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Robetot Duran I- scores were very close and one round separated leonard from victory.

buster douglas- miek tyson- did we have a potential controversial decision if buster didnt knock tyson out in the 10th. the fight was even after 9 rounds. though many i assume though douglas was winning.

Interesting topic. Here's what I saw:

Holmes-Spinks I . Spinks in a close decision. They got that one right.

Holmes-Spinks II. Holmes in a comfortable decision. They missed on that one.

Whitaker-DLH. I had it for Whitaker and I really couldn't see it any other way.

Hiolmes-Norton. A draw sounds just about right.

Leonard-Hearns I. I had Hearns ahead by a point also.

Ali-Norton III. I had Norton by a single point, so it could have gone either way.

Leonard-Duran I. I had Duran by two points.

Douglas-Tyson. You're kidding, right? Douglas should have been ahead by a very wide margin at the time of the stoppage. Of course, there was no way it was going to the cards. Douglas spanked him until he had nothing left.

yeah no one ever seems to think of what the scorecards might have been and who would have won had the fight gone 12 rounds. if there was no knockout in round 10, their could have been a controversial decision.

scorecards after 9 rounds read 88-82 douglas, 87-86 tyson, and 86-86.

Of the fights I remember scoring. I had DeLaHoya beating Whitaker 116-112, but Sweet Pea could have won if he decided to hit Oscar with some counters instead of taunting him. I had Leonard ahead of Hearns at the beginning of the 14th, and I honestly can't see how all 3 judges could possibly have had Hearns in front. The Hitman dominated the first 5 rounds, but after Leonard clocked him with a pair of left hooks in the 6th, he fought a fairly defensive fight. The 6th and 13th were 10-8 rounds as well.

I had DeLaHoya leading Trinidad 78-75 after 8 rounds. Which meant that Tito had to sweep the last 4 to win, AND in my opinion he did, making it 115-114 Trinidad at the end.

For Mosley-DeLaHoya I actually predicted an 8th-round ko for the Golden Boy, and in the 4th round when he pounded Mosley to the body along the ropes, I remember saying that he can't keep taking those shots, when lo and behold, Mosley makes adjustments and takes away Oscar's body attack. Going into the 12th I had the fight dead even, but Shane Mosley clearly won the final round in route to a 115-114 victory on my scorecard.

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I had DeLaHoya leading Trinidad 78-75 after 8 rounds. Which meant that Tito had to sweep the last 4 to win, AND in my opinion he did, making it 115-114 Trinidad at the end.

last 4 rounds???/ de la hoya clearly won the 9th round so ur scorecard should have been 88-84 after 9 rounds, and after you give tito the last 3 rounds, that makes it 115-114 de la hoya. so you have it the wrong way buddy.

i had it 115-113 oscar over tito. i had it 7 rounds to 2 or 88-83 after 9 rounds, and giving tito last 3 rounds makes it 115-113. and de la hoya dominated tito the first 9 rounds a lot more than taylor dominated hoopkins

Holmes-Spinks I

Spinks won the fight by 2-3 points

Holmes-Spinks II

Very close. Spinks was trying to steal the round by fighting for the last 30 seconds. I think Holmes might have just nicked it but it was close.

Whittaker - DLH

I think DLH won by a whisker.

Holmes - Norton

I think Larry won. The last 5 rounds were very competitive but I think Holmes won most of the early rounds

Leonard-Hearns

I think hearns had a 2-3 point lead. He outboxed Ray completely. he was defensive minded but his jab controlled the fight. It was a great turn around by Ray but Tommy was winning comfortably.

Ali-Norton III

Norton won the fight. he should have pressed more so that there could have been no debate. the judges didn't do Ali any favours he should have lost and retired.

Duran-Leonard I

Duran by 2 but he gave rounds away at the end because he knew he had the fight won. A great scrap. Duran won but Ray proved his point.

Douglas-Tyson

Douglas had a comfortable lead.

This one got me thinking. The old memory banks failed me so I had to check out my old notes on some of the classics I've watched so heres my tuppence worth.

Holmes-Spinks 1 Spinks edged it
Holmes Spinks 2 Larry won this one on my card
Whitaker-DLH I agreed with most ppl Pernell was convincing for me
Holmes -Norton Larry outboxed Norton all the way to a UD.
Leonard Hearns I had Tommy ahead by 2 rounds when it was stopped.
Ali -Norton 3 Ali by a round but it was very close.
Duran Leonard. How anyone can see SRL win this is beyond me, Duran by 3 rounds

Douglas Tyson Taking into consideration the Knockdowns I still had Buster in front .

Holmes-Norton - I like Norton, but I can't have him winning after Holmes won clearly the first half of the fight (and some of the latter rounds were close)

Douglas-Tyson - IMO, Douglas won every round except when he was floored. Maybe you can somehow make one round even, but that is it.