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Two big, tough powerhouses who never quite won the title. If they could have fought eachother in their primes who would be left standing when the smoke clears?

Any thoughts fight fans?

Would have been interesting - Inside of 3 rounds I'll go with Razor....after three I'd take Lyle -

And if I had to bet the farm....I'd pick Lyle -

Would be a potentially great brawl and definitely a pick-em fight. It could go either way.

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Lyle is in a class above. Razor had that great telegraphed hook-uppercut but his boxing skills were horrendous and he was the definition of one dimensional.

Lyle hit as hard and a much better boxer. Could fight on the outside and inside. The way he got up from that monster hook from Shavers and won the slugfest was amazing.
Big decider-Lyle actually used the left jab.

Lyle KO 7.

dempseyfire wrote:Lyle is in a class above. Razor had that great telegraphed hook-uppercut but his boxing skills were horrendous and he was the definition of one dimensional.

Lyle hit as hard and a much better boxer. Could fight on the outside and inside. The way he got up from that monster hook from Shavers and won the slugfest was amazing.
Big decider-Lyle actually used the left jab.

Lyle KO 7.

Agreed

No real thoughts. Lyle wins without resorting to thinking. Lyle did get up and tap shavers out and almost tapped Foreman out. I don't think Razor fits into this equation competitively. I would watch it though. Might produce it's share of fireworks.

I pretty much agree with dempseyfire on this one.

Rudduck was a tough fighter and always dangerous with his left 'Smash'. But Lyle traded with meaner cats in Foreman and Shaver.

The Razor would always have a punchers chance But Lyle had more guns in his arsenal.

Ron Lyle TKO6.

Got to go with Ron Lyle.

Ruddock had a great Left hook cum uppercut, he was horridly predictable.

His 2 fights with Tyson were terrible. If he had more guile & variety in his boxing, he would have beaten Tyson no problem.

Syntax Error wrote:His 2 fights with Tyson were terrible. If he had more guile & variety in his boxing, he would have beaten Tyson no problem.

You may have a point there.

Apparently in his youth Razor was much more of a boxer type it was only in his later career he became more of a slugger.

If he had used those skills more against Mike Tyson it may have been more interesting.

KOJOE90 wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:His 2 fights with Tyson were terrible. If he had more guile & variety in his boxing, he would have beaten Tyson no problem.

You may have a point there.

Apparently in his youth Razor was much more of a boxer type it was only in his later career he became more of a slugger.

If he had used those skills more against Mike Tyson it may have been more interesting.

Most definitely.

You could see, watching those fights, that Ruddock possessed the basic durability needed to live with that version of Tyson.

By 1991, Tyson had stopped moving his head & throwing combos. He was reduced to throwing single hard shots! What did Ruddock do? Excatly the same in reply!

Tyson was there for the taking! Holyfield would have crucified him, had they met in 1991, as originally planned.

Ruddock was foolish, because he really could have won those fights & history would be a lot different.

Apparently Ruddock didn't really learn he had a punch until his controversial win vs Mike Weaver. In his early career he was much more a boxer who relied on a good jab and movement. After that he developed his Smash trademark (wonder how exactly that happened . . .) and became much more of a slow stalker, who rarely used the left jab (which was essential vs Tyson but Ruddock literally NEVER threw it vs Mike). One explanation for this is that if you basically want to set up a person for a huge left hook/uppercut, a constant left jab may tire your left arm out and your big left uppercut won't have as much pop. I don't think this was a good strategy b/c the jab sets everything up in boxing and the opponents in turn knew that Razor was gonna try that telegraphed left uppercut sooner or later, and that's all they looked for. It was frustrating to watch b/c when he chose to fire it, Razor had a HEAVY left jab. Against Lewis he could have had more success if he'd chose to jab with Lewis instead of just sitting there waiting for openings.

I heard as a teenager Razor was a very promising Tennis player.

Kojoe...On the level?

IMO this is a no brainer, lyle wins by early or mid round KO. lyle has just as much power if not more and lyle is the better boxer. lyle nearly KOed foreman when they both went toe to toe and lyle survived a flush shavers right hand and got up and knocked shavers out, so i think it will be hard for ruddock to knock lyle out which will be his only chance.

Syntax Error wrote: Tyson was there for the taking! Holyfield would have crucified him, had they met in 1991, as originally planned.

I realize I'm straying from the topic here, but in 1991 we sure didn't think Holyfield was going to crucify Tyson!

That's what I love about this sport - you never really know how careers are going to turn out.

sweetsci wrote:

Syntax Error wrote: Tyson was there for the taking! Holyfield would have crucified him, had they met in 1991, as originally planned.

I realize I'm straying from the topic here, but in 1991 we sure didn't think Holyfield was going to crucify Tyson!

That's what I love about this sport - you never really know how careers are going to turn out.

I certainly believe so in hindsight (not at the time mind you).

Look at Tyson in his 2 fights with Ruddock. He was shell of the 1986-89 Tyson.

Holyfield was in his absolute peak & would have beaten him relatively comfortably by late TKO.

BoxBuzz wrote:Kojoe...On the level?

Yes, on the level mate.

I've heard it from a few reliable people over the years.

Lyle was stunned by a single punch from Ali. While Ali was certainly a very good fighter he is not renowned for having a devastating punch. If a single blow from Ali could stun Lyle coulden't Ruddock do the same?

Cojimar 1945 wrote:Lyle was stunned by a single punch from Ali. While Ali was certainly a very good fighter he is not renowned for having a devastating punch. If a single blow from Ali could stun Lyle coulden't Ruddock do the same?

It wasn't Ali's power that stunned him but the speed and sharpness of the punch . . . .Ali hadn't done much in the bout and it really caught Lyle off guard.

Razor would not be as fast/sneaky. He hit hard but you could see his punches coming from a mile away.

My point was that Ali is not renowned for putting people away with a single blow regardless of speed or sharpness. Generally his foes seem to have been gradually beaten down.

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Lyle TKO

Ruddock KO 6. Remember in the Shavers bout when Shavers landed that left hok on Lyle and he was on the floor for over 10 seconds? Add to the fact that the bell saved Lyle as well and Shavers should of won right there and then.

All it takes is Ruddock to land one of his hooks and Lyle will be out, Shavers has the hardest right hand in HW history but his left hook isnt as hard as Ruddocks and I think Ruddock would KO Lyle in a slugfest.

I've watched SHavers-Lyle many times. Lyle was up by the count of 7. 10 seconds my ass.

Lyle would punish Ruddock. Such a more fluid fighter. Ruddock had his smash and that was it.

Ruddock by knockout, probably climbs off the floor. If Tyson couldnt knock Ruddock out, a slow lumbring Lyle wont.

Exciting early but Lyle runs out of gas & does his obligatory quit job diving to the canvas. Remember Muhammad Ali nearly iced this guy with one punch. When it gets late in fights Lyle gets tired & beat up.