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I think Gerald McClellan coz he would wing big straight rights leaving himself off balance and open so much. He just was like "either i get a first round KO or he does". He looked like a psychotic person when he was fighting.

Who else displayed htis characteristic?

PLEASE ONYL LIST BIG PUNCHERS!!!

Khaosai Galaxy - While he wasn't the type to wing huge shots that would throw him off balance.....he also didn't mind getting hit....if it would allow him to deliever a shot of his own - (perahps his lack of defense was more by design?) -

Sung Kil Moon was another who definitely would let it all hang out....irregardless of the defense.....in order to land his own bombs.

COUGH::Holyfield::COUGH

Neither Aaron Pryor, Jack Dempsey, nor Pipino Cuevas had even a concept of defense. And offense meant charge forward til you were close enough to hit the other guy. Made for a lot of fun fights though. PS Although I haven't seen that much of Joe Louis he didn't seem real defensive minded either. But then again why should he have been? :)

tagjohnson wrote:Neither Aaron Pryor, Jack Dempsey, nor Pipino Cuevas had even a concept of defense. And offense meant charge forward til you were close enough to hit the other guy. Made for a lot of fun fights though. PS Although I haven't seen that much of Joe Louis he didn't seem real defensive minded either. But then again why should he have been? :)

Joe Louis had a pretty solid defense.

Grimm wrote:

tagjohnson wrote:Neither Aaron Pryor, Jack Dempsey, nor Pipino Cuevas had even a concept of defense. And offense meant charge forward til you were close enough to hit the other guy. Made for a lot of fun fights though. PS Although I haven't seen that much of Joe Louis he didn't seem real defensive minded either. But then again why should he have been? :)

Joe Louis had a pretty solid defense.

Not really he kept his hands up but you never saw him block many punches. He parried jabs a lot but for most part was offensive fighter.

tagjohnson wrote:Neither Aaron Pryor, Jack Dempsey, nor Pipino Cuevas had even a concept of defense. And offense meant charge forward til you were close enough to hit the other guy. Made for a lot of fun fights though. PS Although I haven't seen that much of Joe Louis he didn't seem real defensive minded either. But then again why should he have been? :)

oh yeah i loved watching cuevas he was an animal he just jumped in planted his feet and winged in big hooks and uppercuts. Fantastic fighter.

I'm going with Early Foreman and Harry Greb. I"m not sure Foreman thought he needed it until his second coming, and Harry.....well the human windmill says it all.

..joe louis was an aggressive fighter but by no means was he a wide open charge in slugger like others mentioned here. yes, he did parry jabs, but he was also good at moving a bit to his own right to diminish the power of right hands thrown at him. he had fast hands and was a great counter puncher, especially in his earlier days. he'd feint and feint and feint and drive his opponenent nuts until the guy released a punch and louis' hands were so fast he counter punch would get there first...usually folowed buy some damaging combinations.

so....repeat...he DID care for defense and did it well.

Dempsey had a very good defense...his bobbing and weaving befuddled many, but his offense is what always get mentioned because he was such a devastating offensive machine, but he did have a good defense.

I agree on Cuevas, also Danny Lopez hd a leaky defence... Saad Muhammed was often quite open too.

People mention Greb, Dempsey, etc... but just like La Motta these guys must have had good defences to win as many figths as they did.

Well Joe Louis had great defense period, one of the most scientific punchers ever in my mind. Dempsey a little less so but still he like Joe was a complete fighter. Now everything I've read about Greb is that he invited people to hit him to discourage them and although I'm sure he took evasive action now and again but defense was not his "cup of tea". So I'm staying with Greb based on that and his fame for just being an offensive windmill.

.....in his auto bio (man must fight, i think is the title) and in other writings gene tunney said it was hard to hit dempsey with a clean right hand..because of the bob and weave. so at least he had some defense in his style.

boxbuzz is usually right when he agrees with me.....and i agree with him on greb, unless one might say that a constant offense is a good defense.

i wonder if anyone here remembers tommy hurricane jackson...who fought patterson a couple of times...once in an elimination fight and i think once for the title. lost both. he was all offense....one of his favorite attacks was a double uppercut. goofy guy....goofy but somewhat effective style if he was in against the right opponent...just kept throwing punches from crazy angles and as i recall didn't concern himself withj defense at all. drove a lot of conventional fighters coo coo. for relaxation he liked to go down to garbage dumps and shoot rats.

Louis had very good defense-he could slip weave parry . . .the whole bit. Sometimes he was open to counters but his great reflexes made up for it.

They were not champs but Corrie Sanders and Bob Satterfield basically had ZERO defense . . . .

Harry Greb had a great defense. He was extremely hard to hit. There are numerous numerous numerous accounts of opponents only being able to land in the single digits, world class opponents over a 15 round route, not bums.

elmersalsa wrote:Neither Gene Fullmer

A fighter with no defence does not clearly outbox Ray Robinson over 15 rounds. It does not take one of the most precise, stunning, one-punch knockouts of all time to put put over a fighter with 'no defence' for the one and only time in a 64 fight career (much of which was at the top level).

A fighter with no defence does not stand in front of Dick Tiger for 15 rounds, while shot, and only end up with slight swelling over an eye.

A fighter with no defence does not currently speak clearer than many a 25 year old in the game today.

Grimm wrote:COUGH::Holyfield::COUGH

hahahaha...that was funny.

Manos de Oro wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:Neither Gene Fullmer

A fighter with no defence does not clearly outbox Ray Robinson over 15 rounds. It does not take one of the most precise, stunning, one-punch knockouts of all time to put put over a fighter with 'no defence' for the one and only time in a 64 fight career (much of which was at the top level).

A fighter with no defence does not stand in front of Dick Tiger for 15 rounds, while shot, and only end up with slight swelling over an eye.

A fighter with no defence does not currently speak clearer than many a 25 year old in the game today.

Well, that is your opinion. I saw his fights with Sugar Ray and Carmen Basilio and the most impressive thing that I got from Fullmer was his relentless pressure. He was on top of you most of the time. He always carried the fight. He was also a guy that had a good chin, fighting the best out there. He was always in great shape, but technically, Fullmer lacked in it. He was an all out give and take guy. I did not see no jab, no lateral movement, no slipping of punches, just pure agression and stamina. Hey, he even did not had a great punch. He used to KO people out in the beginning of his career, but in some way, his KO percentage began to drop.

ShoeShine wrote:

Grimm wrote:COUGH::Holyfield::COUGH

hahahaha...that was funny.

Do you agree?

elmersalsa wrote:

Manos de Oro wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:Neither Gene Fullmer

A fighter with no defence does not clearly outbox Ray Robinson over 15 rounds. It does not take one of the most precise, stunning, one-punch knockouts of all time to put put over a fighter with 'no defence' for the one and only time in a 64 fight career (much of which was at the top level).

A fighter with no defence does not stand in front of Dick Tiger for 15 rounds, while shot, and only end up with slight swelling over an eye.

A fighter with no defence does not currently speak clearer than many a 25 year old in the game today.

Well, that is your opinion. I saw his fights with Sugar Ray and Carmen Basilio and the most impressive thing that I got from Fullmer was his relentless pressure. He was on top of you most of the time. He always carried the fight. He was also a guy that had a good chin, fighting the best out there. He was always in great shape, but technically, Fullmer lacked in it. He was an all out give and take guy. I did not see no jab, no lateral movement, no slipping of punches, just pure agression and stamina. Hey, he even did not had a great punch. He used to KO people out in the beginning of his career, but in some way, his KO percentage began to drop.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. And I think your assessment/opinion of Fullmer is shared by most people.

How about the two Rocky's Marciano and Graziano. With Marciano you wouldn't notice, he had the jaw of steele. With Graziano you definitely knew when he got hit hard and that was a lot.