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okay... it was asked for and i shall giveth... id like to hear you opinions on this fihts, in the other thread this was a fight that some people had going one way and others had going the other... i think that floyd had a more successful career and was probly the better boxer, but i think braddocks power could keep him alive, and of course his heart.. before i pick id like to know what you guys think?

Hey Rory you'll never make a good manager, trainer or promoter stickin your finger to the wind to see which way it's blowin before you get behind your man. Tell em who your pullin for.

I'm with Braddock because I know he will be standing at the 15th I can not be sure if Floyd will be there for the finish. If they are both standing it will be a razor thin decision. Could go either way at that point. I think James would deliver the greater beating but it's possible that Floyd could still eek out the decision.

I cant believe the underating of floyd patterson here.

u guys have to realize james braddock is made for patterson. a guy that is a fair boxer, whos slow, but doesnt have a KO punch. guys like that are made for floyd patterson.

floyd patterson has way to much handspeed and boxing skills, and he has the left hook to hurt braddock. braddocks defense was sub par, and patterson would be landing shots at will. patterson also could go the 15 rounds. patterson outboxed bonavena, chuvalo, eddie machen, quarry I, jimmy ellis, and KOed ingo twice but u think braddock can outbox him??????


IMO this would be a landslide decision for patterson and only braddocks heart, warrior mentality, and toughness would keep him on his feet.

this was a guy made for patterson IMO

o yea just to let u guys know, patterson may have been knocked down a lot, but only ONE guy could keep him down for the 10 count: murderous puncher sonny liston. that shows u somehting about pattersons heart.

braddock wont be able to deal with floyd handspeed,boxing skills, and decent power which will take a toll on him

okay boxbuzz.. obviously i was going for braddock you were right i just didnt want people to think i made the thread to try and make braddock look like the greatest boxer ever and he could beat anyone... well anyway i posted my opinion in the other thread earlier, but here it goes....

it is true that floyd had a betetr chin before he won the title, but he still wouldnt be able to keep himself up after braddock continously poundds him round after round. braddock was much slower then floyd, but could punch so much harder, and had a steel chin, floyd on the other hand would have to do whatever he coudl to get ahead of braddock early, and after braddock wore him down and frustrated him like he did with corn griffin and jh lewis in there rematch fight. floyd simply didnt have a good enough chin to stay with braddock.. boxbuzz put it perfectly... we know braddock would be there at the end of 15, but we dont know about floyd.

ill take braddock in KO round 13

i wouldnt be so quick to say that braddock didnt have KO power.... power was his specialty. that and heart and a great chin. floyd simply isnt strong enough and granted hes faster, but its happened to alot of fighters... they punch and they punch and they wear themselves down and they get frustrated cause it doesnt even look like theyre hurting their opponent, then next thing you know they make a few mistakes and get knocked down or out.

rory wrote

but could punch so much harder

actually floyd patterson had more power than james braddock. his left hook was better than any of braddocks punches. whod braddock knock out????

patterson nearly killed ingo with one left hook. and he knocked out archie moore. patterson had a lot of power, dropping eddie machen jimmy ellis and jerry quarry,

Patterson beat the tough chinned geoerge chuvalo whos alot like braddock, yet chuvalo couldnt wear him down.

patterson wont get frustrated, he wont try to knock out braddock,
he will outbox braddock and use his handspeed to beat braddock to the punch every moment of the fight. braddock wont wear patterson down if quarry or chuvalo couldnt. patterson is just too skilled for braddock. braddock will be beaten to the punch, outboxed, his face will be a bloddy mess and braddock will be fighting to hang on. SPEED WILL BEAT A SLOW GUY LIEK BRADDOCK. not to mention floyd could hit hard. and floyd had a lot of heart too.
he will easily beat braddock on points, this is a clear win for patterson

patterson 15 unanimous decision 11 rounds to 4 at most

well jimmy had to shrot of a career in the limelight to have this huge list of famous guys hes KO but he did KO some of the better fighters in the time in light heavyweight.. jimmy slattery(often overlooked.. great fighter) tuffy griffith(heavyweight) corn griffin(heavy) he broke pete latzo's jaw, latzo was a fighter that had a SOLID chin... after the loughran fight, tommy said jim hit him with 1 good left the entire night and it gave him the worse bruise hed ever had... he Ko'd his first 8 opponents.. 26 of his 46 wins were by KO..the guy had power....

This would be an easy fight for Patterson. Braddock would need up on the canvas like Ingo in the third fight...but with both feet twitching.

floyd is no tommy farr or corn griffin or jimmy slattery. floyd is a much better boxer with more power and with possibly the fastest hands in heavyweight history.

if floyd outboxed machen,chuvalo, quarry, ellis, and bonevena, why cant he do that to braddock??

braddock had power floyd had speed.... theone you have no idea hwat your talking about if u think braddock was just a shmuck you could easily knock down... im saying if these 2 fought either braddock would KO floyd or floyd would win a decision.. and with braddocks power and floyds questionable chin, i see a better chance for a KO imo.

Im going to do you a favor Rory. You can pick pretty much any heavyweight champ and a hell of a lot of top HW contenders and post your mythical matchups with Braddock and Id bet my house and my car that Braddock would lose to each and every one 9 out of 10 times. For the last time, he wasnt called the Cinderella man, and he wasnt a huge underdog against a middle of the road champion for nothing. He did no one thing great and was only decent at a few aspects of the game. Hes compelling because of his story and not much else. Floyd would win, whether by KO (which he could) or by simply outpointing (which he could also do) is irrelevent because not only is it an easy pick but its a horrible style matchup for someone as plodding and uncoordinated as Braddock. Floyd beat bigger and better men, and smaller and better men, by KO and by points victories. The only reason why Floyds record is remotely spotty (yet still extremely impressive) is because he was fighting HW which wasnt his natural weight. He could have easily fought at LHW and we may be viewing him as one of the greatest LHW fighters of all time.

klompton wrote

Floyd would win, whether by KO (which he could) or by simply outpointing (which he could also do) is irrelevent because not only is it an easy pick but its a horrible style matchup for someone as plodding and uncoordinated as Braddock. Floyd beat bigger and better men, and smaller and better men, by KO and by points victories. The only reason why Floyds record is remotely spotty (yet still extremely impressive) is because he was fighting HW which wasnt his natural weight. He could have easily fought at LHW and we may be viewing him as one of the greatest LHW fighters of all time.

i completely agree with THIS part.

rory u have to understand braddock didnt have much skill compared to the greats and was slow and could be outboxed, in this case floyd has more power than braddock and way to much skill and speed for braddock to lay a glove on him

Lets be real here. Braddock is famous for being a mediocre pug who went on a nice little winning streak beating a wet behind the ears up and comer, a future light heavyweight hall of famer and an under acheiving heavyweight champ who clowned away the fight.
The story is inspiring but lets keep it in perspective. Braddock maybe the most undeserving entrant in boxings hall of fame. A couple of great moments alone should not warrent membership.

i see patterson winning on points.unanimous,somewhere in the region of 10-5 or 9-6 in rounds.i think braddock was tough enough and good enough to at least make an argument of it.

I don't see what possible advantage Braddock would have. Patterson was better at virtually everything. He much faster, better defensively, harder puncher.
If Braddock was a big puncher,he would have a chance, but he was one of the weakest punchers of any heavyweight champion. He scored knockouts in less than a third of his fights.
Guys like Griffin,Slattery, Latzko, Griffiths weren't great fighters. In fact, Griffin was only 7-3 when fought Braddock and finished his career with a losing record. Does anyone really believe Patterson would have lost to any of these guys?
These guys don't even compare to Ali or Liston, or even Machen, Bonavena, Chuvalo,Quarry, Ellis, etc. that Patterson fought.
Braddock did have a good chin so he may go the distance, but Patterson would have little trouble winning this fight.

A heavyweight who only has KO's in 56.5% of his wins and 33.3% of his total fights can't be considered a power punching heavy. His punching power is pretty equivalent to Chris Byrd's. Like Byrd, the majority of Braddock's KO's came at the beginning of his career fighting opponents with little or no boxing experience. His first 11 victories where all by KO against opponents with a combined record of 3-19. Take those KO's out of the equation and Braddock only had KO's in 42.8% of his wins....an extremely low KO rate for a heavy. There is no doubt that Braddock is one of the weakest punching heavyweight champs in history. His only attribute is his heart, and heart alone gets a guy his ass kicked 9 out of 10 times against a champ.

Just for fun, once Patterson stepped up to heavyweight his record was 26-7-1. His only losses came against Liston (twice), Ali (twice), Johansson, Jerry Quarry, and Jimmy Ellis. So, even as a heavyweight, Patterson was one of the best fighters of his era. Patterson had KO's in 73.1% of his wins and 55.9% of his total fights. All of Patterson's opponents while he was a heavyweight were against top notch competition. Considering that Patterson had a higher KO rate than Braddock, and Patterson obviously fought tougher competition than Braddock, there is, in my mind, no argument you could make that Braddock had more punching power.

Hey I'm trying to get over a lifetime of resentment at the fact that Patterson beat Archie when that should not have happened. And you guys want to rant and rave about facts and statistics and with some pretty persuesive arguements that make sense.

I got Braddock standin at the end of the fight and IF Floyd is there he may have the better shot at the decision. And thats as far as I"m goin with this. And if this would have taken place on the very night that Max Baer and Braddock fought I'm thinkin Braddock would have found a way ....against all odds, sensiblity facts and statistics. Indeed just as he did that night against Max.

Logic does not always have to dictate the outcome. And many of you have made a very good logical case.

well boxbuzz thats a good arguement.. if you look over a career here then floyd obviously has the advantage, but the incredible misgivings for braddock kept his prime to a bare minimum n people often think he was bum because of it.. i would say max baer is better then floyd patterson..and braddock wooped him and won that fight easily.. if he fought in 1935, when braddock finally got to enjoy his prime, ill give it to braddock because he was a great fighter in 1935, and even until his retirement i mean yeah he lost but he lost to a 23 joe louis..how many people could say they woiuldnt? and how many people could say theyd last longer then braddock...he went on to beat a VERY capable tommy farr.. ive said it before if its in braddocks rare prime then ill give it to braddock, and i assumed this was a fight that would be prime vs prime

Finally a chance to make Rory happy. Yes, Braddock beats Patterson. Patterson was definitely the better athlete but all the intangibles are with Braddock.

braddock was made for the faster, harder hitting, better boxer patterson

i dont think thats necessarily true... heavyhitters have defeated quicker fighters, its not like you win just because your faster... and besides he never faced a real good quick fighter so i dont think that this is a fair assumption

Patterson was a much better fighter than Baer. Baer was a one trick pony with that right hand (although a pretty awesome trick) and Patterson was just too versitile to get caught with it too many times. I can definitly see Baer getting lucky with that punch like Ingo did and win a match against Patterson, but in a series of fights Patterson would win almost all the time.

a serious max baer would possibly murder floyd patterson

A serious Max Baer would get a serious boxing lesson then knocked out in the later rounds.