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This is ridiculous....

Jose Luis Castillo failed to make weight for tomorrow's rematch against Diego Corrales, first weighing in at 137 pounds, two pounds over the lightweight limit of 135. Castillo went into the sauna to try to sweat off the extra pounds, but came back 50 minutes later weighing even more, at 1381/2. During this second weigh-in, a member of Castillo's camp was caught lifting up the platform of the scale (thus making Castillo's weight appear lighter) by NSAC Executive Director Marc Ratner.

Castillo's final attempt also clocked in at 138 1/2, and after some heated negotiations, the fight will now go on as a non-title 12 round special attraction, at a catchweight of 147 pounds. Saturday's weigh-in (for Castillo only) will take place at 3pm PT. The WBC and WBO are willing to sanction the fight. Castillo will be fined 75k for every pound over 147.

I think that it's 137 ya no....

147 is ridiculous...

It is 147 that will be the weight that Castillo have to make.

Jesus...

This is all really due to the stupid weighing in a day before the fight rule. We have Lightweights who are really Welterweights and Welterweights who are really Middleweights!. The whole thing is a farce and they are wondering in Vegas why so many fighters are getting injured recently (duh!). Look at Cottos weight on the day of his recent fight. He should be at Lightmiddleweight at least.

One does wonder if Cotto gets similar assistance to make the weight and the quack hasn't got caught out.

stujones wrote:One does wonder if Cotto gets similar assistance to make the weight and the quack hasn't got caught out.

When something like this is exposed you can be sure it isn't the first time its happened. The thing about the weighing in the day before policy is that many boxers are losing far more weight than they would if the fight was the same day as the weighin because they have about 24 hours to 'recover'. I think the practise is very dangerous and the injuries to boxers at the lighter weights could well be caused by this yo-yoing in weight. No way is it healthy for a fighter to put on 18 pounds in 24 hours like Cotto did for his recent fight. Thats why his punch resistance has been dwindling in recent fights.
Corrales well known dodgey chin may well be caused by him dragging himself down to 135 and previously 130. He should probably be at 147 at least.

stujones wrote:One does wonder if Cotto gets similar assistance to make the weight and the quack hasn't got caught out.

Interesting point, Stu. You may well be right. Surely it's time to rethink the whole weigh-in procedure? Staggered weigh-ins in the fortnight preceding the fight perhaps? And a ruling that no more than, say 8lbs can be put on in the 24 hours before the fight?

EBU already have a 3 step weigh in process, seems like its working fine, but I also think that european fighters are fighting nearer their natural weight than in other places.

Don't the IBF also have the rule that you have to be within 10lb's at a second weigh-in?

I'm sure I remember reading something in KO once along the lines of Mustafa Muhammed receiving 'assistance' to make the weight for a fight which ultimately didn't go ahead due to him not making the weight.

silkov wrote:This is all really due to the stupid weighing in a day before the fight rule. We have Lightweights who are really Welterweights and Welterweights who are really Middleweights!. The whole thing is a farce and they are wondering in Vegas why so many fighters are getting injured recently (duh!). Look at Cottos weight on the day of his recent fight. He should be at Lightmiddleweight at least.

Yeah but weigh ins the day before allow a fighter to rehydrate more fully and so reduces chances of injury.

E wrote:

silkov wrote:This is all really due to the stupid weighing in a day before the fight rule. We have Lightweights who are really Welterweights and Welterweights who are really Middleweights!. The whole thing is a farce and they are wondering in Vegas why so many fighters are getting injured recently (duh!). Look at Cottos weight on the day of his recent fight. He should be at Lightmiddleweight at least.

Yeah but weigh ins the day before allow a fighter to rehydrate more fully and so reduces chances of injury.

I know thats the idea behind the rule but the reality is that fighters are losing vast amounts of weight in the buildup to fights because they have this 24 hours to rehydrate.

silkov wrote:

E wrote:

silkov wrote:This is all really due to the stupid weighing in a day before the fight rule. We have Lightweights who are really Welterweights and Welterweights who are really Middleweights!. The whole thing is a farce and they are wondering in Vegas why so many fighters are getting injured recently (duh!). Look at Cottos weight on the day of his recent fight. He should be at Lightmiddleweight at least.

Yeah but weigh ins the day before allow a fighter to rehydrate more fully and so reduces chances of injury.

I know thats the idea behind the rule but the reality is that fighters are losing vast amounts of weight in the buildup to fights because they have this 24 hours to rehydrate.

YEah that's true.... the best option might be for officials to monitor a fighter's weight in the build up to championship fights, though this is obviously costly.

Don't some organisations do thsi already?

On thinking more about this, I don't think it will make a massive difference. Both guys would have fought at close to 150 lbs anyway so to weigh in less than 147 on the day of the fight is reasonable. The only thing is that it is a distraction for both, but more so Castillo who had to try work the weight off and is being fined. Plus you have to question the training and conditioning of Castillo. To come in 2-3 lbs over weight is massive and I just don't understand how him and his team could get it so wrong. I fancy Corrales more now because of this and I fancy him to be more forcussed and more determined and to win this fight by stoppage in six rounds.

johnswan1 wrote:On thinking more about this, I don't think it will make a massive difference. Both guys would have fought at close to 150 lbs anyway so to weigh in less than 147 on the day of the fight is reasonable. The only thing is that it is a distraction for both, but more so Castillo who had to try work the weight off and is being fined. Plus you have to question the training and conditioning of Castillo. To come in 2-3 lbs over weight is massive and I just don't understand how him and his team could get it so wrong. I fancy Corrales more now because of this and I fancy him to be more forcussed and more determined and to win this fight by stoppage in six rounds.

Yeah, but aside from the dangers to the boxers which is obviously the main thing with all this yo-yoing in weight, I think its a farce to have two men fighting for say the lightwelter weight title when one or both of them is weighing close to the middleweight limit. Its just a farce.
Fighters weight should be monitored in the weeks up to a big fight and the last weighin should take place about 6 to 8 hours before the fight.

I can't foresee Castillo getting stopped in 6 rounds but you never know, Corrales does have the power. Is it true to say the last fight was the first time Castillo has been stopped other than on cuts? Or am i thinking or someone else.

steve689 wrote:I can't foresee Castillo getting stopped in 6 rounds but you never know, Corrales does have the power. Is it true to say the last fight was the first time Castillo has been stopped other than on cuts? Or am i thinking or someone else.

Well he had three TKO losses early in his career and one of them was in the second round so I would be surprised if they were all cuts. In saying that, he did prove in the last fight (and many times before) that he has a granite chin. In fact, his chin in his last fight was too good - hence the TKO stoppage rather than falling over and getting time to recover.

steve689 wrote:I can't foresee Castillo getting stopped in 6 rounds but you never know, Corrales does have the power. Is it true to say the last fight was the first time Castillo has been stopped other than on cuts? Or am i thinking or someone else.

I just think there is something wrong with Castillo being so far out with the weight - if he trained properly with no problems, how on earth could he come in so much overweight. At 135 lbs, 3 lbs is an awful lot.

johnswan1 wrote:

steve689 wrote:I can't foresee Castillo getting stopped in 6 rounds but you never know, Corrales does have the power. Is it true to say the last fight was the first time Castillo has been stopped other than on cuts? Or am i thinking or someone else.

I just think there is something wrong with Castillo being so far out with the weight - if he trained properly with no problems, how on earth could he come in so much overweight. At 135 lbs, 3 lbs is an awful lot.

I've got the same feeling. We may actually see one or two 'shot' fighters out there today. Castillo is either having problems physically or mentally or both, but he can't be in top fighting shape.

I think it's guaranteed Castillo will be in shape. He's no doubt come to win, and only a madman wouldn't train for the type of fight he knows he's in for.
Could be he just can't make 135 anymore, without taking drastic measures - sounds like he went and drank a load of water on the 2nd attempt, and didn't even bother trying to remove anymore weight.

If he's that tight at 135, it's likely a good thing he didn't go for a run in the desert, or a sauna, to take off the weight - I think that'd be certain defeat, and dangerous too - title or no title.

Yes, the story is all his early losses were cuts, which isn't hard to believe.

I've gone for Corrales - but who knows with this one....

Maybe Castillo thought 'fornicate it, I can't make the weight so I'll come close and get a non-title fight which I'll have more change of winning because I'm not fucked from making the weight and then win and trap off for a rubber match'??? Just a thought.

Someone said that it doesn't matter if they have the weigh ins on the night of the fight, or the day before, because the guys are going to try to lose as much weight and put on as much as possible...

And this is not true for all fighters... Some fighters actually fight at the weight they weigh in at, and it is unfair for them to have the weigh in the day before when someone is going to be weighing 20lbs more the next day.

silkov wrote:

E wrote:

silkov wrote:This is all really due to the stupid weighing in a day before the fight rule. We have Lightweights who are really Welterweights and Welterweights who are really Middleweights!. The whole thing is a farce and they are wondering in Vegas why so many fighters are getting injured recently (duh!). Look at Cottos weight on the day of his recent fight. He should be at Lightmiddleweight at least.

Yeah but weigh ins the day before allow a fighter to rehydrate more fully and so reduces chances of injury.

I know thats the idea behind the rule but the reality is that fighters are losing vast amounts of weight in the buildup to fights because they have this 24 hours to rehydrate.

Is 24 hours enough time to rehydrate though?

Good job the Heavyweights don't have this problem.

Well in terms of pulling a fast one, the Mex camp certainly paid back the Americans big time for the gumshield trickery last time out.

They obviously decided some time ago, this rematch was going to be at 140+ no matter what.

For the first few rounds, I thought Corrales looked the more dangerous - he seemed to shake Castillo a few times, and the Mexican's hooks were just bouncing off him.
Looked like Chico thought he was near invincible, and I was begining to think he might be right.........but great win for Castillo. Hatton next?

Still, credit to Diego for taking the loss so well - no excuses at all. He's still one of the most dangerous fighters out there - you're one punch away from defeat with Corrales, until the refereee is counting 10 over him.