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Champions whose only losses were to other champions.
Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 20:46
by BoxBuzz
I'm looking for a listing of former champions whose only losses (or draws) were to other champions for their entire career. In any weight class. I don't think the list will be that long.
Linear/WBC/WBA/IBF only. I can't get any more complicated than that.
E.G.
*Foreman does not make the cut by virtue of his loss to Jimmy Young and Shannon Briggs
*Frazier does not make the cut by virtue of his draw to Jumbo Cummings
*Ali Makes the Cut only due to the fact that Norton actually held the WBC belt even if it was given to him. Berbick Held the WBC title as well.
Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 21:47
by Jaclem
.....it sounds like an impressive list, but when ingemar johansenn is the first name i think of it loses a little luster.
joe louis, on the other hand, brightens things up a bit.
jim jeffrfies and gene tunney also add luster.
the tough thing is to find boxers in the smaller divisions...usually had more fights and so many in past era fought over thre weight matches. so tough, in fact, that i don't think i'll dig for them, though i'll be watcing this thread with interrest.
Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 21:50
by cybox
Michael Spinks only loss was to Mike Tyson
Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 21:53
by cybox
Michael Nunn had 4 career losses all to champions ( Toney, Little, Liles and Graciano Rocchigiani )
Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 22:00
by cybox
Azumah Nelson lost to all champions ( Sanchez, Whitaker, Leija, and Genero Hernandez)
Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 22:23
by cybox
Roy Jones Jr.
Mike McCallum
Posted: 23 Nov 2005, 22:38
by Seamus
Vitali Klitschko. Lennox Lewis.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 00:17
by cybox
Edwin Rosario
Felix Trinidad
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 03:03
by Sweet P
Tszyu , Fenech
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 10:11
by BoxBuzz
The Loser of the Calzaggy Lacy fight will enter this catagory.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 10:19
by KOJOE90
Decagon wrote:Riddick Bowe
Lennox Lewis
Ike Ibeabuchi
Ike Ibeabuchi shouldn't be included on this list.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 10:23
by KOJOE90
Eder Jofre
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 10:36
by dalek
two more greats
wilfredo gomez
carlos zarate
Re: Champions whose only losses were to other champions.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 11:26
by iceman21287
BoxBuzz wrote:I'm looking for a listing of former champions whose only losses (or draws) were to other champions for their entire career. In any weight class. I don't think the list will be that long.
Linear/WBC/WBA/IBF only. I can't get any more complicated than that.
E.G.
*Foreman does not make the cut by virtue of his loss to Jimmy Young and Shannon Briggs
*Frazier does not make the cut by virtue of his draw to Jumbo Cummings
*Ali Makes the Cut only due to the fact that Norton actually held the WBC belt even if it was given to him. Berbick Held the WBC title as well.
I'm just nitpicking here, but technically George Foreman was the linear champ when he lost to Shannon Briggs, even though all his titles had been stripped. Because of this, some people (including myself), count Shannon Briggs as the linear champ from the time he beat Foreman until the time he lost to Lennox Lewis. That said, it doesn't matter at all because as you already pointed out, Foreman lost to Jimmy Ellis as well. Just attempting to clarify a little bit.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 11:35
by KOJOE90
Naseem Hamed.
Paul Ingle.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 11:44
by iceman21287
Do Interim WBA/WBC/IBF Titles Count?
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 11:46
by Tantum
Lennox Lewis?
It doesn't count when the person who beats you gets YOUR title, and only your title.
You could try to claim Rahman, because he was just handed the WBC belt...
But Oliver McCall was never the champ before he beat Lennox, nor did he gain a title after beating Lennox.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 11:53
by iceman21287
Tantum wrote:Lennox Lewis?
It doesn't count when the person who beats you gets YOUR title, and only your title.
You could try to claim Rahman, because he was just handed the WBC belt...
But Oliver McCall was never the champ before he beat Lennox, nor did he gain a title after beating Lennox.
Should it count if the person who beats you gets only YOUR title, but manages to defend it successfully at least once?
Or does it have to be a completely different title all together?
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 11:54
by dalek
Tantum wrote:Lennox Lewis?
It doesn't count when the person who beats you gets YOUR title, and only your title.
You could try to claim Rahman, because he was just handed the WBC belt...
But Oliver McCall was never the champ before he beat Lennox, nor did he gain a title after beating Lennox.
rahman got beat by tua.mccall became wbc champ when he beat lennox.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 11:56
by iceman21287
dalek wrote:Tantum wrote:Lennox Lewis?
It doesn't count when the person who beats you gets YOUR title, and only your title.
You could try to claim Rahman, because he was just handed the WBC belt...
But Oliver McCall was never the champ before he beat Lennox, nor did he gain a title after beating Lennox.
rahman got beat by tua.mccall became wbc champ when he beat lennox.
He meant that you could say that Lewis was beat by a champ in Rahman, because Rahman just got back the WBC belt.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 12:09
by dalek
well i don't get you!rahman was a champ anyway when ko'ing lennox.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 12:13
by iceman21287
dalek wrote:well i don't get you!rahman was a champ anyway when ko'ing lennox.
His point was that it doesn't count as losing to a champ if the only belt the guy won was from you. So, in the case of McCall, who never had another belt besides the one he got from Lewis, it wouldn't count as Lewis losing to a champion. In the case of Rahman, because he just got a belt that he didn't get from lewis, it would count as losing to a champion.
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 15:41
by tagjohnson
Sugar Ray Leonard?
Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 16:23
by BoxBuzz
Yes the championship you take from someone else would qualify for the simple approach to this. It's not complex. Ali did not qualify for this until Berbick actually won the WBC title.
Yeah thats why Ingemar qualifies. Damn I forgot that McCall was actually a WBC champ for a while. amazing.
Posted: 25 Nov 2005, 08:05
by theguvnor
FranK Bruno?
losses to:
Witherspoon
Smith
Tyson
Lewis