Ezzard Charles vs. Michael Spinks at 175
Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 10:09
Who would win this matchup?
Charles is slick and packs a punch, but so does Spinks.
Charles is slick and packs a punch, but so does Spinks.
got a copy?Decagon wrote:I've seen his rematch with Lloyd Marshall.viciousmaussa wrote:Charles was a beautiful boxer and I don't think any of us have even seen him fight in his prime. Obviously, all of his best form was in non title matches at 160-175, but he has beaten so many outstanding men it's unbelievable. Spinks always found a way to win, and he goes down as one of the best ever light heavies for that, but Charles would punish him for the many mistaes he made.
You can get it from Sweet Fights. That guy has a pretty good Ezzard Charles collection. BoxRec's own Woller probably has the best Charles collection though. If only he would get back to me! Hear me Woller!Ezzard wrote:got a copy?Decagon wrote:I've seen his rematch with Lloyd Marshall.viciousmaussa wrote:Charles was a beautiful boxer and I don't think any of us have even seen him fight in his prime. Obviously, all of his best form was in non title matches at 160-175, but he has beaten so many outstanding men it's unbelievable. Spinks always found a way to win, and he goes down as one of the best ever light heavies for that, but Charles would punish him for the many mistaes he made.
Seeing as how Charles handled Jimmy Bivins in all three of their fights during Ezzard's Light Heavyweight peak (including once by KO), I'm not so sure that would be the best way to beat him. Afterall, Bivins was a great fighter in his own right, who was said to be a very smart outside boxer who used excellant footwork, a very tight defensive style, and what some consider to be one of the very best jabs in boxing during that time ("fast", "accurate" and "hard" are words that have described Bivins' jab).silkov wrote:Even at his peak Charles would struggle with Spinks... the way to beat a peak Charles would be to out-box and out manuvre him and I think Mike would be able to do this... he was very intelligent in the ring and would use his movement to keep Charles off balance and his jab would be the main punch in the fight.
Yes but when Charles and Bivins fought in '43 when Bivins was in his prime, Bivins won on points after flooring Charles 7 times.Randineous wrote:Seeing as how Charles handled Jimmy Bivins in all three of their fights during Ezzard's Light Heavyweight peak (including once by KO), I'm not so sure that would be the best way to beat him. Afterall, Bivins was a great fighter in his own right, who was said to be a very smart outside boxer who used excellant footwork, a very tight defensive style, and what some consider to be one of the very best jabs in boxing during that time ("fast", "accurate" and "hard" are words that have described Bivins' jab).silkov wrote:Even at his peak Charles would struggle with Spinks... the way to beat a peak Charles would be to out-box and out manuvre him and I think Mike would be able to do this... he was very intelligent in the ring and would use his movement to keep Charles off balance and his jab would be the main punch in the fight.
spinks was of fbalance so much. eddie mustafa was beating him on the counter until that punch in the eye/knockdown. eddie davis was robbed vs spinks, and he did a good, cagey job on him. Charles was a beautiful counter puncher...Spinks also was very tall, but didn't have long arms for his size - he sometimes had trouble finding the right distance. I think Charles would take advantage.Ambling Alp wrote:This would be a great matchup; the two best lightheavyweights of all time. Charles may capitlaize on Spinks' mistakes, but Spinks didn't make many. Spinks was also great at captializing on his opponents mistakes. Charles would also have to deal with Spinks unorthodox style. I would go with Spinks in a close decision.
Spinks balance was part of his style though and offset his oppoents more than anything else... I wouldn't say Davis was robbed against Spinks at all. I think times when spinks looked like he was struggling in fights he was often just waiting to drop the right hand in... thats very often what happened...viciousmaussa wrote:spinks was of fbalance so much. eddie mustafa was beating him on the counter until that punch in the eye/knockdown. eddie davis was robbed vs spinks, and he did a good, cagey job on him. Charles was a beautiful counter puncher...Spinks also was very tall, but didn't have long arms for his size - he sometimes had trouble finding the right distance. I think Charles would take advantage.Ambling Alp wrote:This would be a great matchup; the two best lightheavyweights of all time. Charles may capitlaize on Spinks' mistakes, but Spinks didn't make many. Spinks was also great at captializing on his opponents mistakes. Charles would also have to deal with Spinks unorthodox style. I would go with Spinks in a close decision.
don't get me wrong, spinks is one of the most underrated 175 greats
This. I would very comfortably pick Ezzard by decision. Frankly Charles beat fighters who were better than Spinks.Autobarn wrote:spinks was of fbalance so much. eddie mustafa was beating him on the counter until that punch in the eye/knockdown. eddie davis was robbed vs spinks, and he did a good, cagey job on him. Charles was a beautiful counter puncher...Spinks also was very tall, but didn't have long arms for his size - he sometimes had trouble finding the right distance. I think Charles would take advantage.Ambling Alp wrote:This would be a great matchup; the two best lightheavyweights of all time. Charles may capitlaize on Spinks' mistakes, but Spinks didn't make many. Spinks was also great at captializing on his opponents mistakes. Charles would also have to deal with Spinks unorthodox style. I would go with Spinks in a close decision.
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You mean better than Spinks?BoxBuzz wrote:yep, he beat one that was better than Charles on 3 occasions.