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Felix Trinidad's style
Posted: 16 Dec 2005, 12:18
by wolverine1
In a recent thread, a poster mentioned that he'd rather watch Tito fight than RJJ. This is not meant to "troll" the poster, but to ask fans which style of boxer they'd rather watch or prefer.
I like Tito, don't get me wrong, but I'd always thought he was a bit 1-dimensional: stalking forward with his right leg cocked way back waiting to unload. Granted he could throw really good combos; loved his body work etc, but would have liked to see a little more lateral movement from him. His style was his bane when he fought Hopkins - he couldn't back up.
I like a boxer's style of being able to stick and move, and stand and trade when the occasion arises. Marvin Hagler was my favorite for this. and currently I like Winky Wright's style, and Miguel Cotto.
How about you guys?
re
Posted: 16 Dec 2005, 13:12
by barry
My favorite style to watch is the seek and destroy mixing up punches to the head and body, some of the great Mexican fighters are my favorite type to watch...Chavez, Olivares, Gonzalez. I'm not a big fan of fancy boxing for points, though I respect it, I prefer to see knockouts.
styles
Posted: 16 Dec 2005, 13:17
by wolverine1
Chavez was a "seek & destroyer", true, but he had a lot of great boxing skills, too. He wasn't just a come forward at all costs, he was a great tactician.
Posted: 16 Dec 2005, 13:50
by Borinken25
Tito’s style at 147 was better because he was a bit one dimensional but when he moved to 160 he became too stationary and his lateral movement was non-existent. Personally I like Duran, Chavez, Gomez and Trinidad style of seek and destroy.
style
Posted: 16 Dec 2005, 13:59
by wolverine1
borinken25 wrote:Tito’s style at 147 was better because he was a bit one dimensional but when he moved to 160 he became too stationary and his lateral movement was non-existent. Personally I like Duran, Chavez, Gomez and Trinidad style of seek and destroy.
Duran had an awkward defensive style, though, that made his opponents miss alot. And Tito was better at welter because he was bigger and stronger than most of his opponents.
Re: styles
Posted: 16 Dec 2005, 17:00
by zuru
wolverine1 wrote:Chavez was a "seek & destroyer", true, but he had a lot of great boxing skills, too. He wasn't just a come forward at all costs, he was a great tactician.
I too loved Chavez.Even though he was always coming forward,he did it with style,not one dimensional.He did box as well,but it was not the jab & move style,it was his own personal style.Chavez could adapt to any style,and I have many of his fights,against a variety of opponents,and he always comes out on top,
zuru
Re: Felix Trinidad's style
Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 00:29
by ferocity
wolverine1 wrote:In a recent thread, a poster mentioned that he'd rather watch Tito fight than RJJ. This is not meant to "troll" the poster, but to ask fans which style of boxer they'd rather watch or prefer.
I like Tito, don't get me wrong, but I'd always thought he was a bit 1-dimensional: stalking forward with his right leg cocked way back waiting to unload. Granted he could throw really good combos; loved his body work etc, but would have liked to see a little more lateral movement from him. His style was his bane when he fought Hopkins - he couldn't back up.
I like a boxer's style of being able to stick and move, and stand and trade when the occasion arises. Marvin Hagler was my favorite for this. and currently I like Winky Wright's style, and Miguel Cotto.
How about you guys?
I would rather watch a Felix Trinidad fight over a Roy Jones fight 4 out of 6 times.
I don't remember Trinidad being only able to apply pressure. He was also able to move back and lateral and to this proof I say watch him against Larry Barnes. Why Trinidad didn't use movement like this? Maybe he belived Hopkins when Hopkins said he was going to fight Trinidad toe to toe.
I remember early Trinidad starting late and moving, circleing -all in steps not on his toes- untill he got a good feeling of his opponet around the 4th round then he's off load his murderous attack.
I think Trinidad showed us he was going to change his style for prime time -ppv- in the Troy Waters fight where he came out throwing bombs from the get go and ko'd Waters. Awsome display of Trinidad ablity and power.
Tito
Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 15:10
by wolverine1
Ferocity, I have the Barnes fight on tape. Barnes is just over-powered by Tito. He works best when his opponents stay in front of him and try to trade. That, and his susceptibility of flash knockdowns, then his opponents think they hurt him and throw caution to the wind and find out he's not really hurt.
DLH gave him fits, though I had Tito winning that narrowly. Vargas proved his mettle by surviving 2 early knockdowns, then making Tito come to him.
Tito was relentless in pressuring his opponents. But some more movement from him would have been nice. And even if he did believe Hopkins, still it was stupid to go toe-to-toe with that great defensive artist. Hopkins was much bigger that Tito in that fight.
Posted: 17 Dec 2005, 21:59
by Lefthookhappy19
I have Tito's career collection and Roy Jones's. Trinidad's is by far the more entertaining to watch simply because Roy Jones fights (cept at the end of career) where never close.
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 20:39
by tiredoldngrey
Just for the record, at his best (which was at 147) Trinidad was not one dimensional. When he beat Carr and Campos and Turner and Blocker etc He used a stiff jab considerable movement a right to equal his hook and took his time more so than later.
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 21:49
by ferocity
Decagon wrote:He used a little movement, but come on. He mostly looked to trade with his opponents. He was very carefully matched up throughout his career.
I aggree, he was more then happy to exchange punches. But I disaggree about being carfully matched up.
I remember he was trying to get fights with prime Whitiker and Norris that for some reason or another didn't come off, and I recall Trinidad calling for these fight.
The fight that I wish would have taken place is Quartey v. Trinidad I think this fight would have been great.
Posted: 19 Dec 2005, 21:50
by ferocity
Forgot to add even Mosley wanted no part of Trinidad once Trinidad became 154 champion and Mosleys dad was very clear of this.
tito
Posted: 20 Dec 2005, 11:12
by wolverine1
Another good match-up would have been Vernon Forrest vs Trinidad. And Tito was great against Yory Boy, just pounded him into submission.
Posted: 20 Dec 2005, 20:41
by Borinken25
At 147 lbs in my opinion he would have destroy Forrest,Mosley and Quartey because they are in no way slick fighters and they tend to trade punches and that is were Tito would have kill them. He was really powerful at 147 and had better boxing skills. Most people have to agree that he was a master finisher, once he got you hurt that was the end. In my opinion very exciting fighter.
Trinidad
Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 08:59
by wolverine1
I just re-watched the Trinidad/Reid bout on tape tonight. If ever there were an example of mercy in the ring, it was Tito showing it in the 12th round. He had numerous opportunities to unload on Reid with his right hand to David's left eye, but he held back. Because he knew if he hit Reid, it would hurt him even moreso than he already was. Hats off to Felix for showing mercy, even while beating his opponent this fight. That just shows class.
tito/reid
Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 11:55
by wolverine1
Decagon wrote:He was probably afraid that the eye would pop out and follow him around, like one of those 1950s horror flicks.
Now, c'mon, show some decency. I'm talking about the respect boxers have for each other.
Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 13:29
by Autobarn
Tito seemed better and stronger at 154, but Reid & vargas were very tricky , they were able to make him look bad at times.
my fave style to watch would have to be a guy like castillo, who chips away bit by bit until the bricks and the roof come tumbling down. real method and grim purpose to what he does.
i also like precise European technicians, who have a good mastery of distance & timing. Tszyu and Abraham, to various degrees, have been able to temper this with power punching making them scientific and exciting
Posted: 24 Dec 2005, 14:10
by Borinken25
Decagon wrote:Reid and Vargas were near-amateurs, who'd already showed glaring flaws in the ring before facing Trinidad.
Well I wouldn’t say that, Reid had a solid amateur background and was already making his fourth defense title, but I also believe that fighting Trinidad at that stage in his career was not wise and Vargas also had a solid amateur background and was making his seventh defense. In terms of professional experience in the ring Trinidad did have much more than either one of them. Two great fights and both of them give Trinidad all he could handle.