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Posted: 21 Jan 2006, 13:55
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
Witter probably didn't train properly for Lynes or Kotelnik, he'd train harder for a title shot. Remember Hatton-Vilches - Hatton looked very poor in that fight.
On the other hand maybe Witters past his, can't fight for 12rounds, and doesn't have a plan B when hecan't land his haymakers. He'll win the WBC if Mayweather vacates though.
Posted: 23 Jan 2006, 09:25
by jamesmcdonnell
Great fighters don't struggle for motivation. I know witter has been dispirited of late, but bearing in mind that the N'dou fight was a big deal, it was worrying how out of sorts he looked in the latter half of the fight.
Hatton looked poor against Vilches, but he still won almost every round, Witter barely got past the winning post against N'dou and Kotelnik and even Lynes.
Posted: 23 Jan 2006, 09:57
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Hatton looked poor against Vilches, but he still won almost every round, Witter barely got past the winning post against N'dou and Kotelnik and even Lynes.
Hattons game is putting pressure on and fighting 12 rounds, Witters is more of a countering, looking for the KO shot game. Also isn't Vilches basically a profesional journeyman? Hes been stopped by Julio, Augustus and Mitchell, Ndou and Kotlenik are contender level. All the same Witter didnt look good at all in his last 2 outings.
Posted: 23 Jan 2006, 10:09
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
Did you hear Ricky in the corner saying he wanted to quit against Vilches? He kept getting butted and had a cold and kept spitting flem out between rounds, dirty manc
What do you expect them to say Terrance - Vilches he can't punch properly has no skills and this is going to be a crap boring fight - but he can headbutt really sneakilly so thats something to look forward too

Posted: 24 Jan 2006, 00:14
by josh fg
I think witter should take a couple of fights between now and his shot to be honnest, I know he is number one now but inactiverty is corrosive especialy for a fighter who needs to be sharp to find angles a la Witter.
Would realy like to see Witter Hatton but I think Hatton is scaired Witter has the wrong style for him. Maybe as a title unificatoin wouldn't that be sweet.
Re: Witter and his missing Motivation.
Posted: 25 Jan 2006, 08:58
by boxingchat
Terence wrote:A lot is said about the problems Witter has motivating himself and I myself have sympathy for him; he was shafted by the Hatton/Warren axis as Ricky should have dealth with this domestic issue long ago. On the other hand Witter is a sportsman so should he be blaming poor performances on motivational problems? After all he is a contender not a champion so surely he should be giving 110% in every fight to make himself a compelling case for a title fight; don't forget that his subsequent "positive" US showcase must have only gone 25% to rectifying the stench he left after the Judah fight (I know he performed admirably but he did ruin his reputation). Am I being quaint in thinking a "contender" like Witter should punch his way into contention and win public affection and thereby bring about a public demand for a big fight. Hatton went a bit flat but then perked up yet Witter looks suspect once a guy takes his best shots and is looking pretty poor lately. Motivation is a funny thing but if a guy started a fight easily out-jabbing the other guy then neglected his jab and got KO'd only to say: "Well I was out-jabbing the guy so easily I got bored and decided not to bother anymore and in the end I decided not to throw any punches becasue I'm so much better." would we respect that? Witter is basically saying that he doesn't respect his recent foes and could score a spectacular home-goal in the way Frankie Randall did when he got KO'd versus (? Don't recall name at the mo') after securing #1 status and doing the hard graft. Witter seems to be withering on the vine and could go this year.
I feel that even in the days of more title belts than contenders the guys in the top ten should be able to maintain focus and state their claims. Witter talks about beating Floyd Mayweather but struggles versus Lynnes! He talks about raising his game but motivation is not a switch, it needs to be "on" all the time IMO and when the big chance comes for Witter it may be for a vacant title versus someone he does not rate so will he be motivated then? It seems that he mistakes thinking he can beat Floyd and Ricky with having done it already.
Witter deserves a shot don't get me wrong but in his last few fights he has just loaded up early then got hit often late. Hardly pressing his claim is it? I know, I know, he isn't motivated.
How as he shafted by Warren? Warren wanted the fight, Sky wanted the fight and Witter wanted te fight. That just leaves one of the 'axis' and guess who didn't want the fight?
Plus he (JW) looked shit most of the time and US TV didn't want him as a result and thus the inflated demands of 'guess who' could not be met.
Posted: 25 Jan 2006, 10:15
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
They both planned the fights Terrance, Warren wanted to protect Ricky, Ricky wanted the most money for the least amount of work
Posted: 25 Jan 2006, 11:47
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
We don't know who veteod the fights really. But I think Warren would easily have made fights with Maussa/Freitas/Gatti - the fights Ricky is making now are no different to the fights he'd be making under Warren.
Posted: 25 Jan 2006, 11:56
by theguru
Whatever the situation,Warren has lost 2 of the leading 140lbers,maybe something to do wuith his business practices.
Posted: 25 Jan 2006, 12:05
by jamesmcdonnell
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:We don't know who veteod the fights really. But I think Warren would easily have made fights with Maussa/Freitas/Gatti - the fights Ricky is making now are no different to the fights he'd be making under Warren.
Precisely. Warren stated he wanted Maussa next after Hatton beat Tszyu, Hatton said he wanted Corralles/Mayweather etc. However, he then fought Maussa and doesn't look anywhere near fighting Mayweather or Corralles.
Team Hatton themselves said in interview that this whole thing was about money.