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Would this fight be like Dempsey-Firpo?

Taylor wrote:Would this fight be like Dempsey-Firpo?

I dunno. Bonavena wouldn't have been dropped 7 times (or however many it was) in the first round. He had a great chin. Dempsey would still clean him out though, don't get me wrong. It would just take longer and be less exciting.

Taylor wrote:Would this fight be like Dempsey-Firpo?

Dempsey would get banged-up badly, but he'd win a decision.

Nero3000 wrote:

Taylor wrote:Would this fight be like Dempsey-Firpo?

Dempsey would get banged-up badly, but he'd win a decision.

banged up?


this would be a one sided slaughter



dempsey TKO 4 bonavena

For a brawling type of Heavy weight when he fought on the inside Bonavena looked awkward, standing too straight up. Dempsey would exploit this on the inside and bust him up. Oscar might last for a while he was tough but Dempsey would stop him.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Nero3000 wrote:

Taylor wrote:Would this fight be like Dempsey-Firpo?

Dempsey would get banged-up badly, but he'd win a decision.

banged up?


this would be a one sided slaughter



dempsey TKO 4 bonavena

So Dempsey could do in 4 rounds what Frazier couldn't in 25? Or big-punching Ron Lyle? Oscar had an iron jaw and iron fists. There is no heavyweight slugger in history that would have found him to be an easy night. He was stronger than Dempsey(Nat Fleischer put him among the strongest in history) and would make a good showing. Dempsey would whack him and Oscar would whack him right back. His awkward style and strength would trouble Jack, but Dempsey's superior work rate and intelligence would win him the fight by a wide margin.

But it would not be an "easy" fight.

Dempsey KO 10

Bonavena was a tough customer and a better athlete then given credit for. I strongly believe he was better then Firpo.

However, a prime Dempsey was too fast and hit too hard to let Oscar go the distance. He'd do what Frazier couldn't b/c of the faster footwork and harder punch.

nero3000 says:

His awkward style and strength would trouble Jack, but Dempsey's superior work rate and intelligence would win him the fight by a wide margin.

But it would not be an "easy" fight.

Hmmm..... if a guy wins by a wide margin, doesn't that qualify as an "easy" fight?

No he didn't.....what are you blind?

Decagon wrote:Ali was ahead by five or six rounds, around 10 rounds to 4.

Might as well not respond to anything ringsider says, as he is among the most ignorant posters on boxrec today. Its like arguing with a camel. A fat, hairy, smelly camel.

Nero3000 wrote:

Taylor wrote:Would this fight be like Dempsey-Firpo?

Dempsey would get banged-up badly, but he'd win a decision.

Good call. I think Bonavena was a bit too awkward and tough to get blown out by Dempsey. He was extremely strong, too, if not a one-punch KO kind of guy. I think he'd muscle Dempsey around in a clinch and poleaxe him with stiff arm punches, but nothing enough to beat the great Jack. He was able to floor a green Frazier twice though and give a prime one hell in the rematch, so I think it is conceivable he gives Dempsey hell too. Dempsey W 15 Bonavena by a clear margin in a tough, tough fight that possibly sees Dempsey down for a flash knockdown early. He'd be banged up by the end of the fight, but Bonavena would look even worse.

Decagon wrote:Why do you think Dempsey hits harder than Frazier?

even if he didnt hit harder, dempsey was by far the greater puncher. dempsey had faster hands, had two fisted KO power unlike frazier, he threw better and more unpredictable combinations, etc

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Decagon wrote:Why do you think Dempsey hits harder than Frazier?

even if he didnt hit harder, dempsey was by far the greater puncher. dempsey had faster hands, had two fisted KO power unlike frazier, he threw better and more unpredictable combinations, etc

He did hit harder then Frazier. Most first round KOs of any HW champ, he had one punch KO ability in either hand, knocked out Fulton, Sharkey, Miske, Smith, and Morris with one punch. Frazier's left hook was dynamite but it still usually took an accumulation of punches to get his opponents out of there, and Frazier hardly ever got early KOs . . .

He did hit harder then Frazier. Most first round KOs of any HW champ, he had one punch KO ability in either hand, knocked out Fulton, Sharkey, Miske, Smith, and Morris with one punch. Frazier's left hook was dynamite but it still usually took an accumulation of punches to get his opponents out of there, and Frazier hardly ever got early KOs . . .

Frazier would have destroyed those guys as well. He fought tougher, stronger and better compitition than Dempsey.

Anyone remember Firpo driving Dempsey through the ropes? Bonavena was just as big as Firpo, but had way more skill than the original Wild Bull of the Pampas. If he drops Dempsey, he wouldn't let Jack back in the fight the way the clumsy Firpo did. This is a brutal fight. No easy win for Dempsey, he may even get blasted out. But Bonavena wasn't a huge puncher and did manage to get outboxed by light-punching Jimmy Ellis. I see this going the full ten with both guys banged up, but Dempsey gets his mitt raised at the end, especially if it's New York.

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