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Floyd Mayweather Now, against Chavez in his prime, i think this fight would look alot like pbf against castillo. with pbf winning ud12 very close tho

Floyd has hardly been tested at all. He looks top quality but until he's faced some real opposition it's impossible to know. It's way too early in his career to compare him with an ATG like Chavez.

Ezzard wrote:Floyd has hardly been tested at all. He looks top quality but until he's faced some real opposition it's impossible to know. It's way too early in his career to compare him with an ATG like Chavez.

I agree. I think people are overrating Mayweather a bit. He looks great against someone like Gatti... An over-the-hill fighter who was never that good in the first place. Corrales is too stiff and too straight-ahead - he hasn't got much variety, not like other tall, hard-hitting greats such as Monzon*, Arguello and Hearns. Any fluid, flexible, versatile fighter would take him apart. Same with Castillo, I think he's a bit stiff and straight-ahead. Not like Roberto Duran, for instance, who was incredibly relaxed and fluid, and he had a huge variety of techniques at his disposal. Same with Chavez and Armstrong.

I want Mayweather to fight Hatton and see how he looks. Hatton is a little more old-school. He's a great bodypuncher, has an underrated jab and some good skills. In the mould of Chavez himself.

*Actually Monzon could be described as one-dimensional, but he was terribly accurate, intelligent and tough - unlike Corrales.

DoubleM wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Floyd has hardly been tested at all. He looks top quality but until he's faced some real opposition it's impossible to know. It's way too early in his career to compare him with an ATG like Chavez.

I agree. I think people are overrating Mayweather a bit. He looks great against someone like Gatti... An over-the-hill fighter who was never that good in the first place. Corrales is too stiff and too straight-ahead - he hasn't got much variety, not like other tall, hard-hitting greats such as Monzon*, Arguello and Hearns. Any fluid, flexible, versatile fighter would take him apart. Same with Castillo, I think he's a bit stiff and straight-ahead. Not like Roberto Duran, for instance, who was incredibly relaxed and fluid, and he had a huge variety of techniques at his disposal. Same with Chavez and Armstrong.

I want Mayweather to fight Hatton and see how he looks. Hatton is a little more old-school. He's a great bodypuncher, has an underrated jab and some good skills. In the mould of Chavez himself.

*Actually Monzon could be described as one-dimensional, but he was terribly accurate, intelligent and tough - unlike Corrales.

Agree on it all except for Monzon. Carlos was a very versatile fighter who quickly adapted his game plan to suit his opponent. He could fight inside or outside. His only weakness IMO is that he liked to counterpunch and often struggled when forced to lead. If he fought someone who made him lead it would be a tough night for him. Mind you, very few could have ever made this happen. I know how much you rate Hagler (and rightfully so). These two were 2 of the most versatile champions I've ever seen. I'd go as far to say that Monzon was possibly even better than Marvin at adapting halfway through a fight.

In terms of Floyd... I want to see him fight Hatton. I'd like to see Ricky bang him up a bit and make Floyd respond. In fact, the best thing for the sport would be for Ricky to fight the fight of his life, win a close points decsions and sign for an immediate rematch. Boxing needs these rivalries. Floyd is the most talented figther so if he wins its a case of told you so but if he lost it would generate massive interest and we'd see what Floyd's psychological make-up is like.

Leonard's loss to Duran made him become a better fighter in the long run. We need a true superstar(s) and these two have the styles and abilities to create some great fights.

Ezzard wrote:

DoubleM wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Floyd has hardly been tested at all. He looks top quality but until he's faced some real opposition it's impossible to know. It's way too early in his career to compare him with an ATG like Chavez.

I agree. I think people are overrating Mayweather a bit. He looks great against someone like Gatti... An over-the-hill fighter who was never that good in the first place. Corrales is too stiff and too straight-ahead - he hasn't got much variety, not like other tall, hard-hitting greats such as Monzon*, Arguello and Hearns. Any fluid, flexible, versatile fighter would take him apart. Same with Castillo, I think he's a bit stiff and straight-ahead. Not like Roberto Duran, for instance, who was incredibly relaxed and fluid, and he had a huge variety of techniques at his disposal. Same with Chavez and Armstrong.

I want Mayweather to fight Hatton and see how he looks. Hatton is a little more old-school. He's a great bodypuncher, has an underrated jab and some good skills. In the mould of Chavez himself.

*Actually Monzon could be described as one-dimensional, but he was terribly accurate, intelligent and tough - unlike Corrales.

Agree on it all except for Monzon. Carlos was a very versatile fighter who quickly adapted his game plan to suit his opponent. He could fight inside or outside. His only weakness IMO is that he liked to counterpunch and often struggled when forced to lead. If he fought someone who made him lead it would be a tough night for him. Mind you, very few could have ever made this happen. I know how much you rate Hagler (and rightfully so). These two were 2 of the most versatile champions I've ever seen. I'd go as far to say that Monzon was possibly even better than Marvin at adapting halfway through a fight.

In terms of Floyd... I want to see him fight Hatton. I'd like to see Ricky bang him up a bit and make Floyd respond. In fact, the best thing for the sport would be for Ricky to fight the fight of his life, win a close points decsions and sign for an immediate rematch. Boxing needs these rivalries. Floyd is the most talented figther so if he wins its a case of told you so but if he lost it would generate massive interest and we'd see what Floyd's psychological make-up is like.

Leonard's loss to Duran made him become a better fighter in the long run. We need a true superstar(s) and these two have the styles and abilities to create some great fights.

By one-dimensional, I mean Monzon didn't like to change his style. Hagler, for instance, could swarm, become a boxer-puncher, boxer-mover, mix them all up, and from either stance. Monzon could adapt very well, you're right, but I wouldn't say he had so much variety. Didn't make him any less effective though. Loved it when he nailed Napoles three times with the same combination within a space of about eight seconds. Monzon was extremely accurate. As a sidenote, he's also one of my favourite fighters

And yea, I agree with you on Hatton-Mayweather.

DoubleM wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

DoubleM wrote: I agree. I think people are overrating Mayweather a bit. He looks great against someone like Gatti... An over-the-hill fighter who was never that good in the first place. Corrales is too stiff and too straight-ahead - he hasn't got much variety, not like other tall, hard-hitting greats such as Monzon*, Arguello and Hearns. Any fluid, flexible, versatile fighter would take him apart. Same with Castillo, I think he's a bit stiff and straight-ahead. Not like Roberto Duran, for instance, who was incredibly relaxed and fluid, and he had a huge variety of techniques at his disposal. Same with Chavez and Armstrong.

I want Mayweather to fight Hatton and see how he looks. Hatton is a little more old-school. He's a great bodypuncher, has an underrated jab and some good skills. In the mould of Chavez himself.

*Actually Monzon could be described as one-dimensional, but he was terribly accurate, intelligent and tough - unlike Corrales.

Agree on it all except for Monzon. Carlos was a very versatile fighter who quickly adapted his game plan to suit his opponent. He could fight inside or outside. His only weakness IMO is that he liked to counterpunch and often struggled when forced to lead. If he fought someone who made him lead it would be a tough night for him. Mind you, very few could have ever made this happen. I know how much you rate Hagler (and rightfully so). These two were 2 of the most versatile champions I've ever seen. I'd go as far to say that Monzon was possibly even better than Marvin at adapting halfway through a fight.

In terms of Floyd... I want to see him fight Hatton. I'd like to see Ricky bang him up a bit and make Floyd respond. In fact, the best thing for the sport would be for Ricky to fight the fight of his life, win a close points decsions and sign for an immediate rematch. Boxing needs these rivalries. Floyd is the most talented figther so if he wins its a case of told you so but if he lost it would generate massive interest and we'd see what Floyd's psychological make-up is like.

Leonard's loss to Duran made him become a better fighter in the long run. We need a true superstar(s) and these two have the styles and abilities to create some great fights.

By one-dimensional, I mean Monzon didn't like to change his style. Hagler, for instance, could swarm, become a boxer-puncher, boxer-mover, mix them all up, and from either stance. Monzon could adapt very well, you're right, but I wouldn't say he had so much variety. Didn't make him any less effective though. Loved it when he nailed Napoles three times with the same combination within a space of about eight seconds. Monzon was extremely accurate. As a sidenote, he's also one of my favourite fighters

And yea, I agree with you on Hatton-Mayweather.

It's painful to watch. Napoles has some success for about 2 rounds and then Monzon just starts to unpick him.

I know what you mean he's deceptive. The first time I saw Monzon I wondered what all the fuss was about but the more I see of him the more impressed I am.

Ezzard wrote:

DoubleM wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Floyd has hardly been tested at all. He looks top quality but until he's faced some real opposition it's impossible to know. It's way too early in his career to compare him with an ATG like Chavez.

I agree. I think people are overrating Mayweather a bit. He looks great against someone like Gatti... An over-the-hill fighter who was never that good in the first place. Corrales is too stiff and too straight-ahead - he hasn't got much variety, not like other tall, hard-hitting greats such as Monzon*, Arguello and Hearns. Any fluid, flexible, versatile fighter would take him apart. Same with Castillo, I think he's a bit stiff and straight-ahead. Not like Roberto Duran, for instance, who was incredibly relaxed and fluid, and he had a huge variety of techniques at his disposal. Same with Chavez and Armstrong.

I want Mayweather to fight Hatton and see how he looks. Hatton is a little more old-school. He's a great bodypuncher, has an underrated jab and some good skills. In the mould of Chavez himself.

*Actually Monzon could be described as one-dimensional, but he was terribly accurate, intelligent and tough - unlike Corrales.

Agree on it all except for Monzon. Carlos was a very versatile fighter who quickly adapted his game plan to suit his opponent. He could fight inside or outside. His only weakness IMO is that he liked to counterpunch and often struggled when forced to lead. If he fought someone who made him lead it would be a tough night for him. Mind you, very few could have ever made this happen. I know how much you rate Hagler (and rightfully so). These two were 2 of the most versatile champions I've ever seen. I'd go as far to say that Monzon was possibly even better than Marvin at adapting halfway through a fight.

In terms of Floyd... I want to see him fight Hatton. I'd like to see Ricky bang him up a bit and make Floyd respond. In fact, the best thing for the sport would be for Ricky to fight the fight of his life, win a close points decsions and sign for an immediate rematch. Boxing needs these rivalries. Floyd is the most talented figther so if he wins its a case of told you so but if he lost it would generate massive interest and we'd see what Floyd's psychological make-up is like.

Leonard's loss to Duran made him become a better fighter in the long run. We need a true superstar(s) and these two have the styles and abilities to create some great fights.

Two fighters flyod will aviod as long as he can 1st. Ricky Hatton 2nd. Antonio Margarito. I think Hatton would give Mayweather a lot of trouble and would be an interesting fight.

Floyd is not given enough credit. He will eventuallyfight those guys its where the $$ is at.

ferroz wrote:Floyd is not given enough credit. He will eventuallyfight those guys its where the $$ is at.

Yeah but Hatton will be still in his prime while Margarito may be 40 years old and past his prime before Mayweather enters the ring with him. Lacys going to europe to fight calzaghe cause he belive hes the better fighter, can't say that about Mayweather against Hatton. And we know Margarito is the top fighter at welterweight.

wow you cant even compare a legend to PBF cmon, 140 was prime for chavez, chavez would destroy PBF in 10 rds as of now, unles PBF shows me that he can fight the best in his division ( hatton, cotto, Tsyou) instead of fightings c+ fighters (mitchell, gattin well B-) he needs to fightin the best in the game and prove how great he is, fight the best and be the best who the hell fiths Sharmba Mitchell cmon really that is not top notch competition

Mayweather has fought and beat some great opponents. Diego Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, Jose Luis Castillo, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Phillip N'Dou and Angel Manfredy (Back when Manfredy was a force to be reckoned with) all were top flight boxers. Mayweather has yet to face a real dangerous test since he has moved up to 140 and 147, but when he does he will still be as good as he every was, but I think Chavez would break him down and stop him late. Jose Luis Castillo has tried to pattern himself like Chavez and Castillo has had the best success against Mayweather, but Chavez was a hell of a lot better than even Castillo. Mayweather would probably gain an early lead, but in the middle rounds Chavez would bust him up with hard shots to the body and head and by round 10, 11 and 12 Mayweather would be hanging on for dear life.

Chavez always had more trouble with slick boxers, especially when he moved up, look at the trouble Taylor gave him and Mayweather has as much speed and a better defense than Taylor had... I think Mayweather would outbox Chavez and perhaps even stop him late on... Mayweathers power is very underrated and for such a elusive and fast fighter it is very impressive....

I think both PBF and Chavez have been slightly overrated (with Chavez starting to finally come back down a bit).

At 135 I think Chavez probably would have beat PBF by close UD.....at 140 I'm not so sure - I think I might go with PBF by UD -

The reality is Chavez definitely would have had problems with PBF's speed... a lot of problems.....plus PBF probably hits harder then say M. Taylor (who had speed like PBF).

At 135 I'd take Chavez....at 140 I'd take PBF.

meade95 wrote:I think both PBF and Chavez have been slightly overrated (with Chavez starting to finally come back down a bit).

At 135 I think Chavez probably would have beat PBF by close UD.....at 140 I'm not so sure - I think I might go with PBF by UD -

The reality is Chavez definitely would have had problems with PBF's speed... a lot of problems.....plus PBF probably hits harder then say M. Taylor (who had speed like PBF).

At 135 I'd take Chavez....at 140 I'd take PBF.

At 140 -im remembering the gatti fight- Mayweahter does NOT have the speed of Taylor. No way. Mayweather has looked to slow down, his speed ain't what it used to be at 130 or 135. And with Mayweathers style he would let Chavez hit him, which is a no, no.

I say Chavez would win a close descision 140. Mayweather speed is overrated.