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Posted: **03 Feb 2006, 19:08**

Just after watching the fight on Sky and completely disagree with the commentating of the fight. In my view Chi should still be champion and he would of been if it wasn't for that completely ridiculous WBC rule where he got deducted a point for an accidental clash of heads, if he had that point he would of drawn the fight, on my scorecard he would of won it.

My scorecard

1 - Even 10-10
2 - Koshimoto 20-19
3 - Koshimoto 30-28
4 - Koshimoto 40-37
5 - Chi 49-47
6 - Chi 58-57
7 - Chi 67-67
8 - Chi 76-77
9 - Chi 85-87
10 - Koshimoto 95-96
11 - Koshimoto 105-104 *Chi deducted a point
12 - Chi 114-114

I have no idea how Sky had Koshimoto 4 points ahead, they gave Koshimoto the 8th but the 8th was clearly Chis in my mind. They kept going on about Koshimotos punches landing but I didn't see it, Chi was landing better in that round and even when they brought up the replays to show Koshimotos work they showed a 10 punch combination where only one punch landed on Chi where the rest just drifted past his neck and over his shoulders.

I feel that Chi should be given a rematch if he is up for it, he is definitely faded but I felt he did enough to keep hold of his title.

Posted: **03 Feb 2006, 19:16**

I think that last round showed that there is plenty left with Chi. Think it was a clash of styles, ring rust plus a damned underated opponent (where has he been).

I haven't seen it all, but my card from the 5th was everything to Chi except the 10th and the 11th (which was a draw for me then dock the point).

Sky commentary was bad, it rounds 8, 9, 10 seemed to be whoever was taking more punches was doing the best in the round. They said 10 was close, it was a clear Koshimoto round (one of the biggest of the last half of the fight) and 8,9 were definate Chi rounds, as Smith kept saying "good attack from Chi..... combinations from Chi" and then McCory said "Koshimodo is in command in this round" - I was like WTF.

Posted: **03 Feb 2006, 19:31**

ROBBED.........hardly. Close fight but I wouldn't grudge the decision going to Koshimoto. He fought a smart fight. Kept Chi behind the jab and in my opinion seemed to win the first 4 rounds pretty easily. The next 8 were entertaining and some were hard to score. For me this exposed Chi's limitations. If you box him at a distance and don't just meet him head on in the middle , as Brodie did, and work off the jab he looked pretty clueless. Koshimoto looked like a solid world level fighter but nothing too great. Pretty much at the level of Chi's last 2 challengers. All have been no where near top 20 world level yet have given the Korean big problems.
For me Marquez would outclass Chi at ease and Manny Pac would crush him. If Harrison refound his boxing I would favour him and I think Juarez would outclass him to. As for Soto, Chris John and Nicky Cook I don't know. Haven't seen enough of them to judge so I'd favour Chi there.
Chi is very aggressive and has great strength. But he's not a puncher. He caught Koshimoto flush on several occassions and didn't get much change out of him.
As for Koshimoto........it really is a question of how long the WBC will let him fight the bum of the month club in his homeland that decides how long he'll be champ.

Posted: **03 Feb 2006, 19:37**

Koshimoto has to meet Humberto Soto next.

Posted: **03 Feb 2006, 19:57**

I should have checked the Kashimodo stats before picking this fight. If I would have known he had height and reach on Chi, I think I might have picked him. Chi's strength is his size and strength, but Koshimodo was taller and had a much bigger reach and was pretty quick for a 35 year old.

Soto vs Koshimodo is no formality to Soto.

Posted: **03 Feb 2006, 21:30**

Robbed and you had it a draw, silly boy.

Posted: **03 Feb 2006, 21:48**

I had it 115/113 Chi

1 10/9 Chi
2 10/9 Kashimoto
3 10/9 Chi
4 10/9 Kashimoto
5 10/9 Chi
6 10/9 Chi
7 10/9 Chi
8 10/10 (being a tad kind to the Japanese here)
9 10/9 Chi
10 10/9 Kashimoto
11 10/8 Kashimoto
12 10/9 Chi

Although Kash succeeded in making Chi look clumsy/bad quite a lot, I certainly don't think he won all the early rounds like the sky boys gave him because he simply wasn't doing anything but keeping away and what punches Chi did land were far more effective.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 05:19**

Freiheit wrote:Koshimoto has to meet Humberto Soto next.

Oscar Leon could pull a surprise in two weeks.

But it will have to be by stoppage in Soto's home town

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 05:21**

I'm not really too fussed on the decision, i think it could have gone either way and don't begrudge Koshimoto his win, Chi looked well rusty in there (although i gave him round 1) from the start and Koshimoto got into a nice rhythm and gave Chi problems with his jab.

Two things bothered me about the fight, firstly as usual it stunk of SKY knowing the result beforehand...usually when this is the case you get Adam Smith and whoever his sidekick is acting like some sort of prophets as they see the fight the "right way".

And secondly the WBC need to get rid of this stupid headbutt rule, it costs fighters and makes a mockery of world title contests, although most alphabet boys seem to do that pretty well as it is. In the first Chi-Brodie fight we ended up with the headbutt points fiasco with Van Der Wiele as ref and all the totalling up the scores wrong business. And now Chi effectively lost his title on this daft rule, had he not lost the point it would have been a draw by my estimation. Although quite what planet Omar Minton or whatever his name is, is on i don't know...five points either way seemed harsh but what can you do?

The WBC are supposed to be the premier organisation, when referring to the "legitimate" belts the WBC are usually the first on the list or in the big three with WBA/IBF but with these headbutt rules and inventing Youth titles that 30 year olds can contest and South American Rainforest Belts can they be taken anymore seriously than the rest of the crap out there?

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 05:22**

Blue wrote:
Freiheit wrote:Koshimoto has to meet Humberto Soto next.
Oscar Leon could pull a surprise in two weeks.
But it will have to be by stoppage in Soto's home town

I'm sorry we don't know anything about hometown decisions here in Britain Blue

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 05:29**

Yeh;

It’s your referees I worry about.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 09:21**

I know he is an editor here, but Daniel Van de Weile DIDN'T apply the WBC law (or at least it wasn't what he said in the interview on Sky after) for the first Chi vs Brodie fight

He said, it was accidental - both fighters got cut, however the reason (this is what he said on Sky) he docked the point on Brodie, cause it shouldn't have been cause Chi was cut - because both were, was that Brodie was leaning more than Chi. Now, I don't know if this is the WBC law - but surely then it cannot be deemed purely accidental. If it was accidental, then no one should have got blamed.

It is a stupid law, what would have happened if Chi got a cut (no matter how small) - if it was anyones fault it was Koshimodo, he did the Brodie leaning in.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 09:36**

Haven't seen the fight but thought it was a tough one fro Chi cos Koshimoto of what i've heard of his style. Bad match making by Chi's people. Koshimoto is a fighter that sometimes gets mentioned about being a tough opponent on various websites.

Hopefully Koshimoto will face the victor of Soto-V-Leon to clean things up much the same as i hope things get sorted at Flyweight.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 09:49**

Freiheit wrote:Koshimoto has to meet Humberto Soto next.

Does he though? They should meet, obviously, but then can somebody explain what's going on with the flyweight title? Arce has now won 4 WBC interim title fights, with a 5th on the way, whilst Wonjongkam appears to continue to defend the WBC title as normal. Is it a time-based thing that enforces when interim/outright champions fight (as Arce has actually only held the interim title since last July) rather than a "you must fight the champion within x fights)

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 09:51**

Blue wrote: Yeh;
It’s your referees I worry about.

good one blue!

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 10:13**

Chi was never as good as some people made out so it wasn't the greatest surprise he has come unstuck. Can't imagine the WBC crying too much over it - considering the empty seats in the MEN (both times) and also when he fought at home on what looked the equivalent of a dinner show. If the Soto fight doesn't happen Koshimoto should take on a fellow countryman: Hiroyuki Enoki (legitimate ranking for a contender), or even Kazuhisa Watanabe (hype as David vs. Goliath), maybe even Toshiaki Nishioka (as he goes for two titles etc). Not sure I'd like to see Nishioka, he might be too small. And Watanabe could be too green... perhaps.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 10:34**

Cannibal wrote:Just after watching the fight on Sky and completely disagree with the commentating of the fight. In my view Chi should still be champion and he would of been if it wasn't for that completely ridiculous WBC rule where he got deducted a point for an accidental clash of heads, if he had that point he would of drawn the fight, on my scorecard he would of won it.

My scorecard

1 - Even 10-10
2 - Koshimoto 20-19
3 - Koshimoto 30-28
4 - Koshimoto 40-37
5 - Chi 49-47
6 - Chi 58-57
7 - Chi 67-67
8 - Chi 76-77
9 - Chi 85-87
10 - Koshimoto 95-96
11 - Koshimoto 105-104 *Chi deducted a point
12 - Chi 114-114

I have no idea how Sky had Koshimoto 4 points ahead, they gave Koshimoto the 8th but the 8th was clearly Chis in my mind. They kept going on about Koshimotos punches landing but I didn't see it, Chi was landing better in that round and even when they brought up the replays to show Koshimotos work they showed a 10 punch combination where only one punch landed on Chi where the rest just drifted past his neck and over his shoulders.

I feel that Chi should be given a rematch if he is up for it, he is definitely faded but I felt he did enough to keep hold of his title.

How on earth is it a robbery if you had it a draw?

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 10:37**

Because I strongly disagree with that headbutt ruling. If that wasn't deducted from Chi he'd be a winner on my card and would have achieved a draw in the actual fight and kept his title. He lost on a dumb technicality in my view and not in the ring.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 13:17**

Chi looked good in spurts but couldn't seem to sustain that. Though it was close but Koshimoto won. Chi just didn't do anything in the first four, he let Koshimoto to settle and coundn't claw it back. If Chi shakes off the ring rust or perhaps moves up a weight then he could still do things are world level.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 14:27**

I had Chi winning, he did look tired though and if he used the right hand plenty, he needed some left hooks as well. in the first 3 rds he let Koshimoto circle to his right. Chi needed to step left, cut him off, slam in left hooks.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 15:37**

El Raincoat wrote:Hopefully Koshimoto will face the victor of Soto-V-Leon to clean things up much the same as i hope things get sorted at Flyweight.

Flyweight has the potential to be a shit hot division, we need to get all the top guys in together though! Lorenzo Parra, Ponsaklek Wongjongkam, Vic Darchinyan, Omar Narvaez, Jorge Arce, Brahim Asloum, Irene Pacheco, Hussein Hussein, Koki Kameda (Japanese prospect my mate says is gonna be good) i mean if we can't make decent matchups out of this lot then what hope is there?!?!

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 15:54**

Never mind the Chi fight, I'm wondering what the hell the undercard was all about? Two experienced Japanese fighters get fed a four-fight novice and a pro debutant, then when they invariably win, the crowd reacts like they've just seen a new undisputed world champ being crowned?

What benefits do fighters get from matches like this? Chances are the two Thais we saw will pack in boxing and go back to Muay Thai and have a career boxing record that doesn't stretch to 10 fights.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 16:17**

It was weird how such experienced guys were getting fed cannon fodder and a poor Thai on his debut! That right hook in the second fight left our man sprawled cold on the canvas. It was all rather surprising, i watch a lot of Boxing from the Far East and more often than not you can rely on solid competetive matches -particularly in Japan- between evenly matched guys (hence why most Japanese contenders or champs usually have 2 or 3 losses on their slate). Last nights matchmaking was puzzling.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 16:42**

I had it 115-113 for Chi. Although i still don't view it as the greatest robbery, it was a close fight. Don't think we have seen the last of Chi.

Posted: **04 Feb 2006, 17:02**

steve689 wrote:
El Raincoat wrote:Hopefully Koshimoto will face the victor of Soto-V-Leon to clean things up much the same as i hope things get sorted at Flyweight.
Flyweight has the potential to be a shit hot division, we need to get all the top guys in together though! Lorenzo Parra, Ponsaklek Wongjongkam, Vic Darchinyan, Omar Narvaez, Jorge Arce, Brahim Asloum, Irene Pacheco, Hussein Hussein, Koki Kameda (Japanese prospect my mate says is gonna be good) i mean if we can't make decent matchups out of this lot then what hope is there?!?!

I know the term is hideously overused... but there is some real mouthwatering fights to be had amongst that bunch. The main problem in matching them is that they're dotted all over the shop! Parra seems to be kicking fcuk out of everyone in their hometown so maybe he could be The Chosen One...

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