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To make this list you gotta be able to take a huge amount of punishment as well as be able to dish it out(so guys like Chuvalo, Cobb, Farr, Antuofermo and Joe Grim can't make the cut). They are guys who never let up the pressure and rarely stop swinging. In short, call them boxing's "Iron Men".

Here's a partial list in no order:
Champs:
Rocky Marciano
Jack Dempsey
George Kid Lavigne
Ad Wolgast
Bat Nelson
Harry Greb(though may be lacking in power enough to be excluded)
Mickey Walker
Terry McGovern(but was his chin iron? Or just good?)
Henry Armstrong
Jack Dillon
Roberto Duran
Julio Cesar Chavez


Contenders:
Tom Sharkey
Oscar Bonavena
Ever Hammer
Ace Hudkins
Bob Moha
Anton Raadik(thoughts here? I read that most of his "KO" losses were of the TKO variety with Anton finishing on his feet).

Marvelous Marvin Hagler. I'll say it again - he faced probably the hardest hitting collection of middleweights of any champion, yet was never legitimately floored once, nor even close to being floored, nor even close to being staggered! On top of his durability, Hagler had a great defense in his prime years, and would never let someone hit him without throwing something in return.

Whoa! How could I forget Mysterious Billy Smith?? Definitely belongs here.

Mustafa Hamsho as well

I mentioned Fritzie Zivic in another post, very tough and very dangerous.

DoubleM wrote:Marvelous Marvin Hagler. I'll say it again - he faced probably the hardest hitting collection of middleweights of any champion, yet was never legitimately floored once, nor even close to being floored, nor even close to being staggered! On top of his durability, Hagler had a great defense in his prime years, and would never let someone hit him without throwing something in return.

Yes, but Marvin doesn't fit the criteria. He was a counterpuncher in his prime and very selective with his well-timed shots. If he'd fought everyone like he fought Tommy Hearns...now THAT would have gotten him on this list.

expug wrote:I mentioned Fritzie Zivic in another post, very tough and very dangerous.

But is he what you would call a pressure fighter? A guy who never stopped throwing?

Maybe. I admit that my knowledge of Fritzie is limited in comparison with others.

Nero3000 wrote:

DoubleM wrote:Marvelous Marvin Hagler. I'll say it again - he faced probably the hardest hitting collection of middleweights of any champion, yet was never legitimately floored once, nor even close to being floored, nor even close to being staggered! On top of his durability, Hagler had a great defense in his prime years, and would never let someone hit him without throwing something in return.

Yes, but Marvin doesn't fit the criteria. He was a counterpuncher in his prime and very selective with his well-timed shots. If he'd fought everyone like he fought Tommy Hearns...now THAT would have gotten him on this list.

Hagler was a hurtful puncher, and could take it to a guy whenever he liked. Check out the Obelmejias fights, or the second Hamsho one. Or even the first Hamsho fight where Hagler chose to box, he could still cause some serious damage. Fifty five stitches Hamsho needed.

DoubleM wrote:

Nero3000 wrote:

DoubleM wrote:Marvelous Marvin Hagler. I'll say it again - he faced probably the hardest hitting collection of middleweights of any champion, yet was never legitimately floored once, nor even close to being floored, nor even close to being staggered! On top of his durability, Hagler had a great defense in his prime years, and would never let someone hit him without throwing something in return.

Yes, but Marvin doesn't fit the criteria. He was a counterpuncher in his prime and very selective with his well-timed shots. If he'd fought everyone like he fought Tommy Hearns...now THAT would have gotten him on this list.

Hagler was a hurtful puncher, and could take it to a guy whenever he liked. Check out the Obelmejias fights, or the second Hamsho one. Or even the first Hamsho fight where Hagler chose to box, he could still cause some serious damage. Fifty five stitches Hamsho needed.

Oh I'm not questioning his ability to do damge or take it. I watched Marv for most of his career. Just seemed to me that he was usually only dangerous when you came at him. If you boxed him cautiously, as Duran did, he'd fight at your pace.

Even in the second Hamsho fight Marvin boxed. He let Mustafa come at him and tore him to ribbons.

The criteria here is that you have to be a PRESSURE fighter. Marvin was a boxer/puncher

Nero3000 wrote:

DoubleM wrote:

Nero3000 wrote: Yes, but Marvin doesn't fit the criteria. He was a counterpuncher in his prime and very selective with his well-timed shots. If he'd fought everyone like he fought Tommy Hearns...now THAT would have gotten him on this list.

Hagler was a hurtful puncher, and could take it to a guy whenever he liked. Check out the Obelmejias fights, or the second Hamsho one. Or even the first Hamsho fight where Hagler chose to box, he could still cause some serious damage. Fifty five stitches Hamsho needed.

Oh I'm not questioning his ability to do damge or take it. I watched Marv for most of his career. Just seemed to me that he was usually only dangerous when you came at him. If you boxed him cautiously, as Duran did, he'd fight at your pace.

Even in the second Hamsho fight Marvin boxed. He let Mustafa come at him and tore him to ribbons.

The criteria here is that you have to be a PRESSURE fighter. Marvin was a boxer/puncher

Oh, I know what kind of fighter Hagler was - he's my favourite, and I own twenty four of his twenty six filmed fights, must have clocked up dozens of hours watching them. But you didn't specify that a pressure fighter was the criteria.

Anyway, Hagler in pressure mode was very dangerous.

About the Duran fight... The Petronellis instructed Hagler to box. That's why he had so much difficulty. You can hear them throughout the fight telling Hagler to be technical, to outbox Duran and not get close, when what they should have been advising Hagler to do is to pressure Duran and outfight him.

[ They are guys who never let up the pressure and rarely stop swinging.


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DoubleM wrote:

Nero3000 wrote:

DoubleM wrote: Hagler was a hurtful puncher, and could take it to a guy whenever he liked. Check out the Obelmejias fights, or the second Hamsho one. Or even the first Hamsho fight where Hagler chose to box, he could still cause some serious damage. Fifty five stitches Hamsho needed.

Oh I'm not questioning his ability to do damge or take it. I watched Marv for most of his career. Just seemed to me that he was usually only dangerous when you came at him. If you boxed him cautiously, as Duran did, he'd fight at your pace.

Even in the second Hamsho fight Marvin boxed. He let Mustafa come at him and tore him to ribbons.

The criteria here is that you have to be a PRESSURE fighter. Marvin was a boxer/puncher

Oh, I know what kind of fighter Hagler was - he's my favourite, and I own twenty four of his twenty six filmed fights, must have clocked up dozens of hours watching them. But you didn't specify that a pressure fighter was the criteria.

Anyway, Hagler in pressure mode was very dangerous.

About the Duran fight... The Petronellis instructed Hagler to box. That's why he had so much difficulty. You can hear them throughout the fight telling Hagler to be technical, to outbox Duran and not get close, when what they should have been advising Hagler to do is to pressure Duran and outfight him.

Yeah, but that was pretty much Marvin's style anyway. To counterpunch. Like I said, if he'd fought everyone the way he fought Hearns, he'd be at the very top of this list

Alright, well I'd go for Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong and Marvin Hagler in pressure mode.

DoubleM wrote:Alright, well I'd go for Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong and Marvin Hagler in pressure mode.

If Hags goes into pressure mode for all his fights, he KOs them all within the distance.

Wilfredo Gomez W 44 (42 ko's) | L 3 | D 1 | Total 48

How bout Mathew Saad???

Wilfredo has the power, but I wouldn't call him an "Iron Man". Or is his chin considered that great?(I just can't get the Sanchez and Nelson KOs- both brutal- out of my head.)

Bennie Briscoe.
Dwight Muhammad Qawi.
Jock McAvoy.

Decagon wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote:Bennie Briscoe.

:)

DoubleM wrote:

Decagon wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote:Bennie Briscoe.

:)

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Most dangerous fighter for pure KO power..... Julian Jackson at 154 - 160

Nero3000 wrote:

expug wrote:I mentioned Fritzie Zivic in another post, very tough and very dangerous.

But is he what you would call a pressure fighter? A guy who never stopped throwing?

Maybe. I admit that my knowledge of Fritzie is limited in comparison with others.

He was probably a little more the Boxer-puncher type. Could really bust an opponent up though.

meade95 wrote:Most dangerous fighter for pure KO power..... Julian Jackson at 154 - 160

Yup, too bad he was about as durable as a wet potato chip

DoubleM wrote:Marvelous Marvin Hagler. I'll say it again - he faced probably the hardest hitting collection of middleweights of any champion, yet was never legitimately floored once, nor even close to being floored, nor even close to being staggered! On top of his durability, Hagler had a great defense in his prime years, and would never let someone hit him without throwing something in return.

Great shout.

Couldn't put it better myself. 8)

barryc56 wrote:Wilfredo Gomez W 44 (42 ko's) | L 3 | D 1 | Total 48

This guy is a beast but only at super bantam.
@ feather he was very good but Nelson and Sanchez was stronger.