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Will winner of masoe - Sturm be the normal WBA Champ
Posted: 11 Mar 2006, 06:01
by Foggy
Is the winner of tonights fight the only WBA champ, is Taylor the super champ ??? Do we have any Interim champs ??? WOW these boxing rules suck dick
Posted: 11 Mar 2006, 06:13
by jomothepure
As of December/Jan, Taylor was undisputed champion in the eyes of the WBA (this apparently so even though the IBF didn't sanction the second Hopkins fight, but the WBC, A & O were fought for)
This paved the way for a regular WBA champ a la Masoe.
But if, as boxrec is showing, Taylor-Winky is going to be for just the WBC and WBO titles, then that may make him just a unified champion - and if he's dropped the WBA title, then that surely leaves no grounds for having 2 titles. In this case, whether Sturm-Masoe tonight will therefore be for the 'proper' WBA title with full regalia reinstated.
On the other hand, despite Taylor-Wright being for only two titles, Taylor could still be WBA champ given times for mandatories. However, given it will be June before the fight with Wright I doubt he could still claim it. Plus Wright is WBA#1 so presumably mandatory anyway.
What's your problem Foggy, It's simple
Posted: 11 Mar 2006, 17:06
by T.M.K
jomothepure wrote:As of December/Jan, Taylor was undisputed champion in the eyes of the WBA (this apparently so even though the IBF didn't sanction the second Hopkins fight, but the WBC, A & O were fought for)
This paved the way for a regular WBA champ a la Masoe.
But if, as boxrec is showing, Taylor-Winky is going to be for just the WBC and WBO titles, then that may make him just a unified champion - and if he's dropped the WBA title, then that surely leaves no grounds for having 2 titles. In this case, whether Sturm-Masoe tonight will therefore be for the 'proper' WBA title with full regalia reinstated.
On the other hand, despite Taylor-Wright being for only two titles, Taylor could still be WBA champ given times for mandatories. However, given it will be June before the fight with Wright I doubt he could still claim it. Plus Wright is WBA#1 so presumably mandatory anyway.
What's your problem Foggy, It's simple
Mr Pure,
Brilliant explanation mon ami - simply brilliant! Love it!
best wishes,
"T.M.K"
Posted: 11 Mar 2006, 17:29
by glahn
The WBA is a joke.
Posted: 11 Mar 2006, 20:45
by states
Jomo, you love questions like this, don't you?
I swear, before long, there will be a book out, something along the lines of: 'The Rule Of Many: Boxing Sanctioning Bodies & The Division Of Power' Author, Jomothepure.
Posted: 12 Mar 2006, 04:51
by jomothepure
states wrote:'The Rule Of Many: Boxing Sanctioning Bodies & The Division Of Power' Author, Jomothepure.
Yes, I like that
I can invisiage a student picking up a dusty, blood-red covered hardback in 50 years time from some obscure part of a library. 'The big three' - fact or fiction? - a critical appraisal.' by Emeritus Bronte (with a foreward by Hugo Perez, President of the Universal Boxing Organisation
Posted: 12 Mar 2006, 12:18
by pundit
Suppose Sturm beats Abraham - does the WBA have two super-champs then?
Posted: 12 Mar 2006, 12:34
by Freiheit
No, a regular WBA champ CANT unify with another beltholder.
Posted: 12 Mar 2006, 12:38
by pundit
Freiheit wrote:No, a regular WBA champ CANT unify with another beltholder.
You mean in cases where there is a super-champ.
Most super-champs became super-champs by unifying while being a regular champ.
P
Posted: 12 Mar 2006, 12:44
by jomothepure
pundit wrote:Freiheit wrote:No, a regular WBA champ CANT unify with another beltholder.
You mean in cases where there is a super-champ.
Most super-champs became super-champs by unifying while being a regular champ.
P
Yes, but only because there wan't a super/unified champ in the first place. For example, Bell unifies the cruiser titles so becomes a super champ, thus freeing up a 'regular' belt for Virgil Hill.
Posted: 12 Mar 2006, 22:04
by Max Molyneux
Taylor has no super title so Sturm can unify now.
Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 05:13
by BubiScholz
Max Molyneux wrote:Taylor has no super title so Sturm can unify now.
IMO the unified champ would be Arthur Abraham!
Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 06:29
by Neri
Lock this thread. I'm getting a headache.
Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 11:54
by pundit
Freiheit wrote:No, a regular WBA champ CANT unify with another beltholder.
So if Sturm takes Abraham's offer, the WBA has to strip him?
Confused.
Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 11:56
by Freiheit
That is correct (Unless Taylor vacants)
Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 12:02
by pundit
Freiheit wrote:That is correct (Unless Taylor vacants)
According to boxrec Taylor-Wright is for the WBC and WBO belts only.
Is this wrong or did the WBA strip Taylor?
Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 12:09
by Freiheit
It could be wrong. WBA still lists Taylor as champion.
Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 12:21
by pundit
Freiheit wrote:It could be wrong. WBA still lists Taylor as champion.
Yes. Very confusing indeed.
P
Posted: 13 Mar 2006, 12:50
by jamesmcdonnell
The WBA website is shite though, wouldn't rely on it too much, looks like it was designed by a colour blind babboon.