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About this rape case. I suggest reading Alan Derschowitz' book on America's most famous celebrity cases. Very revealing.
Some things to consider in the Tyson/Washington 'rape' case.
FACT: Washington was seen performing fellatio on Tyson in an elevator by two stayers at the hotel just as they were going to the base floor to leave the hotel.
FACT: Washington was seen holding Tyson's hand as they LEFT the hotel, reportedly laughing and giggling as according to hotel lobbyists. Caught on CCTV btw. Incidently, the hotel lobbyists weren't called to give evidence. Strange.
FACT: Washington had cried rape 3 times before. The first time was when she lost her virginity as a 15 year old and didn't want her daddy finding out.
The second and third time she cried rape and the cases was thrown out of court because she had no bodily vaginal bruising or semen traces.
FACT: Key witnesses whom Washington cried rape before against and were found INNOCENT were NOT allowed to testify in court by the pro-feminist/pro-black women's right judge.
FACT: Desiree Washington had a meeting with Don King 24 hours after leaving the hotel with Tyson.
FACT: Desiree Washington cried 'rape' 72 hours after leaving the hotel holding Tyson's hand. Why was that?
FACT: In 1991 Tyson wrote a cheque for $850,000 and the cheque bounced. Tyson had his finances investigated and found out he had $24,500 in the bank. People started blaming King for taking money out of Tyson's accounts, including Tyson himself. Tyson confided to Rudy Golzalez (his driver) that he was thinking of leaving King. Afew months later, Tyson and Golzalez had a falling out and RG was sacked (presumably for opening his big mouth?) from his duties as a driver.
FACT: Don King assigns his TAX ATTOURNEY to defend Tyson and portrays Tyson as a monster. WHY? And what business does a tax attourney who has no experience in criminal law have in defending the most high profile athlete on the planet? I can't fathom a reason, can you?
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Here is the book
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/044...Fencoding=UTF8
I hope Tyson-haters now realises that you have to take time to study the trial in order to prove his guilt. And I will always believe in Tyson's innocence.

RazorKO wrote:About this rape case. I suggest reading Alan Derschowitz' book on America's most famous celebrity cases. Very revealing.
Some things to consider in the Tyson/Washington 'rape' case.
FACT: Washington was seen performing fellatio on Tyson in an elevator by two stayers at the hotel just as they were going to the base floor to leave the hotel.
FACT: Washington was seen holding Tyson's hand as they LEFT the hotel, reportedly laughing and giggling as according to hotel lobbyists. Caught on CCTV btw. Incidently, the hotel lobbyists weren't called to give evidence. Strange.
FACT: Washington had cried rape 3 times before. The first time was when she lost her virginity as a 15 year old and didn't want her daddy finding out.
The second and third time she cried rape and the cases was thrown out of court because she had no bodily vaginal bruising or semen traces.
FACT: Key witnesses whom Washington cried rape before against and were found INNOCENT were NOT allowed to testify in court by the pro-feminist/pro-black women's right judge.
FACT: Desiree Washington had a meeting with Don King 24 hours after leaving the hotel with Tyson.
FACT: Desiree Washington cried 'rape' 72 hours after leaving the hotel holding Tyson's hand. Why was that?
FACT: In 1991 Tyson wrote a cheque for $850,000 and the cheque bounced. Tyson had his finances investigated and found out he had $24,500 in the bank. People started blaming King for taking money out of Tyson's accounts, including Tyson himself. Tyson confided to Rudy Golzalez (his driver) that he was thinking of leaving King. Afew months later, Tyson and Golzalez had a falling out and RG was sacked (presumably for opening his big mouth?) from his duties as a driver.
FACT: Don King assigns his TAX ATTOURNEY to defend Tyson and portrays Tyson as a monster. WHY? And what business does a tax attourney who has no experience in criminal law have in defending the most high profile athlete on the planet? I can't fathom a reason, can you?
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Here is the book
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/044...Fencoding=UTF8
I hope Tyson-haters now realises that you have to take time to study the trial in order to prove his guilt. And I will always believe in Tyson's innocence.

This is complete and utter nonsense. None of these things amount to anything. You write FACT at the front of each sentence but any analysis of what you've written means absolutely nothing. You love Mike, Razor (fair enough), you met him and shook his hand and you've even stated before on posts how this convinced you he was innocent. Now you are posting 'FACTS' that any half decent legal mind would tell you have little bearing on the case.

There are so many miscarriages of justice in the world. Why not champion somebody who has truly suffered.

You totally demean the women who have suffered rape. You have the typical view of people who believe women "asked for it" or "well we were in bed thats means she wanted sex". Rape isn't as simple as you put it. Some women never tell anyone that they have been raped and you ask why it took her 3 days. Because she didn't have vaginal brusing or semen it doesn't mean she wasn't raped. Rape doesn't have to be down some dark alley, by a stranger and be very violent. It can be someones husband!

If she said no and he then had sex with her it's then rape. Look at Tyson as a person and what he's done in his life. He isn't exactly a model citizen and to defend him like he is some saint who has suffered some terrible miscarriage of justice is disgusting. Actually I find it quite repulsive that you say she cried rape. You may like the bloke but take off the rose tinted specs and look at the Tyson as a person.

I know men get accused of rape and they are inncocent but Tyson isn't exactly the type of person that fits that mould.

Ezzard wrote:

RazorKO wrote:About this rape case. I suggest reading Alan Derschowitz' book on America's most famous celebrity cases. Very revealing.
Some things to consider in the Tyson/Washington 'rape' case.
FACT: Washington was seen performing fellatio on Tyson in an elevator by two stayers at the hotel just as they were going to the base floor to leave the hotel.
FACT: Washington was seen holding Tyson's hand as they LEFT the hotel, reportedly laughing and giggling as according to hotel lobbyists. Caught on CCTV btw. Incidently, the hotel lobbyists weren't called to give evidence. Strange.
FACT: Washington had cried rape 3 times before. The first time was when she lost her virginity as a 15 year old and didn't want her daddy finding out.
The second and third time she cried rape and the cases was thrown out of court because she had no bodily vaginal bruising or semen traces.
FACT: Key witnesses whom Washington cried rape before against and were found INNOCENT were NOT allowed to testify in court by the pro-feminist/pro-black women's right judge.
FACT: Desiree Washington had a meeting with Don King 24 hours after leaving the hotel with Tyson.
FACT: Desiree Washington cried 'rape' 72 hours after leaving the hotel holding Tyson's hand. Why was that?
FACT: In 1991 Tyson wrote a cheque for $850,000 and the cheque bounced. Tyson had his finances investigated and found out he had $24,500 in the bank. People started blaming King for taking money out of Tyson's accounts, including Tyson himself. Tyson confided to Rudy Golzalez (his driver) that he was thinking of leaving King. Afew months later, Tyson and Golzalez had a falling out and RG was sacked (presumably for opening his big mouth?) from his duties as a driver.
FACT: Don King assigns his TAX ATTOURNEY to defend Tyson and portrays Tyson as a monster. WHY? And what business does a tax attourney who has no experience in criminal law have in defending the most high profile athlete on the planet? I can't fathom a reason, can you?
---
Here is the book
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/044...Fencoding=UTF8
I hope Tyson-haters now realises that you have to take time to study the trial in order to prove his guilt. And I will always believe in Tyson's innocence.

This is complete and utter nonsense. None of these things amount to anything. You write FACT at the front of each sentence but any analysis of what you've written means absolutely nothing. You love Mike, Razor (fair enough), you met him and shook his hand and you've even stated before on posts how this convinced you he was innocent. Now you are posting 'FACTS' that any half decent legal mind would tell you have little bearing on the case.

There are so many miscarriages of justice in the world. Why not champion somebody who has truly suffered.

Its not all all nonsense Ezzard, these are all things that prove that Tyson isnt guily as everyone thinks. Of course as you said I like Tyson and I indeed did meet him at a fan singing - but that doesnt mean I am biased towards him. Tyson has done some rotten things but I believe rape is not one of them. Tyson has shown he has a good heart by donating money to that murdered policeman in UK who was shot by 3 Somalians so he cant be a wild bad man that most people think.....

Only a retard would really believe Tyson is innocent if they looked at all the true facts and not a load of crap written by someone just out to make a cheap buck on the case. How about all the other women that Tyson attacked previously who were brought off or else scared into silence?... were they all lying too?........ why did Teddy Atlas hold a gun to Tysons head when he found out that Tyson had molested a female member of his family?..... these are facts not the crap written by the likes of Dersch...

Arsenal wrote:You totally demean the women who have suffered rape. You have the typical view of people who believe women "asked for it" or "well we were in bed thats means she wanted sex". Rape isn't as simple as you put it. Some women never tell anyone that they have been raped and you ask why it took her 3 days. Because she didn't have vaginal brusing or semen it doesn't mean she wasn't raped. Rape doesn't have to be down some dark alley, by a stranger and be very violent. It can be someones husband!

If she said no and he then had sex with her it's then rape. Look at Tyson as a person and what he's done in his life. He isn't exactly a model citizen and to defend him like he is some saint who has suffered some terrible miscarriage of justice is disgusting. Actually I find it quite repulsive that you say she cried rape. You may like the bloke but take off the rose tinted specs and look at the Tyson as a person.

I know men get accused of rape and they are inncocent but Tyson isn't exactly the type of person that fits that mould.

Rape is a disgusting vile and disgraceful crime which would definetly destory that victim's mental state as well as confidence forever... but it is also as disgusting as blaming someone who didnt commit that crime - I for one would be heart broken if someone accused me of rape and from reading that book I am now much more convinced of Tyson's innocence.

So please dont say I am 'Demaning' women who suffered rape just because I believe Tyson is innocent but its also just as bad for women who blame men for it as it could also destory that man's mental state if the man is innocent.

silkov wrote:Only a retard would really believe Tyson is innocent if they looked at all the true facts and not a load of crap written by someone just out to make a cheap buck on the case. How about all the other women that Tyson attacked previously who were brought off or else scared into silence?... were they all lying too?........ why did Teddy Atlas hold a gun to Tysons head when he found out that Tyson had molested a female member of his family?..... these are facts not the crap written by the likes of Dersch...

Well I shouldnt take you seriously. You dont even give credit for what Tyson achieved in the ring.

RazorKO wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

RazorKO wrote:About this rape case. I suggest reading Alan Derschowitz' book on America's most famous celebrity cases. Very revealing.
Some things to consider in the Tyson/Washington 'rape' case.
FACT: Washington was seen performing fellatio on Tyson in an elevator by two stayers at the hotel just as they were going to the base floor to leave the hotel.
FACT: Washington was seen holding Tyson's hand as they LEFT the hotel, reportedly laughing and giggling as according to hotel lobbyists. Caught on CCTV btw. Incidently, the hotel lobbyists weren't called to give evidence. Strange.
FACT: Washington had cried rape 3 times before. The first time was when she lost her virginity as a 15 year old and didn't want her daddy finding out.
The second and third time she cried rape and the cases was thrown out of court because she had no bodily vaginal bruising or semen traces.
FACT: Key witnesses whom Washington cried rape before against and were found INNOCENT were NOT allowed to testify in court by the pro-feminist/pro-black women's right judge.
FACT: Desiree Washington had a meeting with Don King 24 hours after leaving the hotel with Tyson.
FACT: Desiree Washington cried 'rape' 72 hours after leaving the hotel holding Tyson's hand. Why was that?
FACT: In 1991 Tyson wrote a cheque for $850,000 and the cheque bounced. Tyson had his finances investigated and found out he had $24,500 in the bank. People started blaming King for taking money out of Tyson's accounts, including Tyson himself. Tyson confided to Rudy Golzalez (his driver) that he was thinking of leaving King. Afew months later, Tyson and Golzalez had a falling out and RG was sacked (presumably for opening his big mouth?) from his duties as a driver.
FACT: Don King assigns his TAX ATTOURNEY to defend Tyson and portrays Tyson as a monster. WHY? And what business does a tax attourney who has no experience in criminal law have in defending the most high profile athlete on the planet? I can't fathom a reason, can you?
---
Here is the book
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/044...Fencoding=UTF8
I hope Tyson-haters now realises that you have to take time to study the trial in order to prove his guilt. And I will always believe in Tyson's innocence.

This is complete and utter nonsense. None of these things amount to anything. You write FACT at the front of each sentence but any analysis of what you've written means absolutely nothing. You love Mike, Razor (fair enough), you met him and shook his hand and you've even stated before on posts how this convinced you he was innocent. Now you are posting 'FACTS' that any half decent legal mind would tell you have little bearing on the case.

There are so many miscarriages of justice in the world. Why not champion somebody who has truly suffered.

Its not all all nonsense Ezzard, these are all things that prove that Tyson isnt guily as everyone thinks. Of course as you said I like Tyson and I indeed did meet him at a fan singing - but that doesnt mean I am biased towards him. Tyson has done some rotten things but I believe rape is not one of them. Tyson has shown he has a good heart by donating money to that murdered policeman in UK who was shot by 3 Somalians so he cant be a wild bad man that most people think.....

Razor my point is that these do not prove anything. They certainly do not prove he was innocent. Why hasn't there ever been a retrial or appeal? Lots of famous rich people have got off with a lot worse than rape even but Tyson didn't. I know perception plays a big part but there is no way any of what you have written as fact changes any aspect of the case.

As for Tyson giving money to the policeman's family then fair enough, thats a psoitive in Tyson's column but it doesn't make the slightest difference to the case.

Ezzard wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

Ezzard wrote: This is complete and utter nonsense. None of these things amount to anything. You write FACT at the front of each sentence but any analysis of what you've written means absolutely nothing. You love Mike, Razor (fair enough), you met him and shook his hand and you've even stated before on posts how this convinced you he was innocent. Now you are posting 'FACTS' that any half decent legal mind would tell you have little bearing on the case.

There are so many miscarriages of justice in the world. Why not champion somebody who has truly suffered.

Its not all all nonsense Ezzard, these are all things that prove that Tyson isnt guily as everyone thinks. Of course as you said I like Tyson and I indeed did meet him at a fan singing - but that doesnt mean I am biased towards him. Tyson has done some rotten things but I believe rape is not one of them. Tyson has shown he has a good heart by donating money to that murdered policeman in UK who was shot by 3 Somalians so he cant be a wild bad man that most people think.....

Razor my point is that these do not prove anything. They certainly do not prove he was innocent. Why hasn't there ever been a retrial or appeal? Lots of famous rich people have got off with a lot worse than rape even but Tyson didn't. I know perception plays a big part but there is no way any of what you have written as fact changes any aspect of the case.

As for Tyson giving money to the policeman's family then fair enough, thats a psoitive in Tyson's column but it doesn't make the slightest difference to the case.

Well Its your opinion and I respect it ,but this kangeroo case has so much controveristy in it that (not saying you) that people should stop bringing this up when talking about Tyson the man. As far as I know I dont think you could get retrials in the USA and dont forget Washington isnt a person to be trusted - You are just as evil if you blame an innocent man crime like rape as that man's life is ruined forever just like a woman if she was subjected to this vile crime.

Although I just made this thread to show people about this book and what it contains inside and I recommend people here read it.

Good point by Silkov. How many other women accused Tyson of various things? And saying Silkov doesn't know what he's talking about because he doesn't rate Tyson in the ring is b*ll*cks.

Be very careful when disputing sexual crimes because it doesn't reflect well on you. Tyson was found guilty and never had an appeal. Isn't that strange?

Donating money may be a good thing and Tyosn may have had a hard life but look at his offences - rape, assault, GBH, ABH etc etc. How can you defend him? Rich men may get into trouble because of money because people see them as an easy target. But money also gets them out of trouble!

Seriously I can't believe you are defending a convicted rapist!

You are talking crap now! The casse certainly wasn't a kangeroo court. Read the trial og Ruben Carter. That was a kangerco court!

What evidence do you have to say Washington can't trusted? Because you like Tyson?

Further more saying you can't get a re-trial/appeal in the USA? Can any Americans enlighten me cos I can't believe that!

RazorKO wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

RazorKO wrote: Its not all all nonsense Ezzard, these are all things that prove that Tyson isnt guily as everyone thinks. Of course as you said I like Tyson and I indeed did meet him at a fan singing - but that doesnt mean I am biased towards him. Tyson has done some rotten things but I believe rape is not one of them. Tyson has shown he has a good heart by donating money to that murdered policeman in UK who was shot by 3 Somalians so he cant be a wild bad man that most people think.....

Razor my point is that these do not prove anything. They certainly do not prove he was innocent. Why hasn't there ever been a retrial or appeal? Lots of famous rich people have got off with a lot worse than rape even but Tyson didn't. I know perception plays a big part but there is no way any of what you have written as fact changes any aspect of the case.

As for Tyson giving money to the policeman's family then fair enough, thats a psoitive in Tyson's column but it doesn't make the slightest difference to the case.

Well Its your opinion and I respect it ,but this kangeroo case has so much controveristy in it that (not saying you) that people should stop bringing this up when talking about Tyson the man. As far as I know I dont think you could get retrials in the USA and dont forget Washington isnt a person to be trusted - You are just as evil if you blame an innocent man crime like rape as that man's life is ruined forever just like a woman if she was subjected to this vile crime.

Although I just made this thread to show people about this book and what it contains inside and I recommend people here read it.

Crying false rape is an evil thing to do but not as evil as the act itself... But I'm not going to argue any more about this case, Razor. Like I said why don't you champion some real miscarriages, wehre people are still inside today.

As for boxing, and that's why I'm here, I don't rate Tyson as one of the greatest champions because he never showed that extra special something that those great fighters had. It's got nothing to do with whatw ent on outside the ring.

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:Only a retard would really believe Tyson is innocent if they looked at all the true facts and not a load of crap written by someone just out to make a cheap buck on the case. How about all the other women that Tyson attacked previously who were brought off or else scared into silence?... were they all lying too?........ why did Teddy Atlas hold a gun to Tysons head when he found out that Tyson had molested a female member of his family?..... these are facts not the crap written by the likes of Dersch...

Well I shouldnt take you seriously. You dont even give credit for what Tyson achieved in the ring.

I give Tyson the credit he deserves for what he did early on in his career, read my posts but I also have always said that he was always flawed and never the invincible fighter that nuthuggers like you try to believe.... to put it plainly the man was always a mentally flawed bully and that would always have showed itself in his career sooner or later.... and would have done sooner had he not been so well managed...
as for the rape case you have absolutely no evidence of Tysons inncocence cept your own profound love for him and the money grabbing ramblings of an obscure hack.... for christs sake even Tyson himself has long since given up protesting his innocence!... doesn't that tell you something???.... get a life mate!...

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:Only a retard would really believe Tyson is innocent if they looked at all the true facts and not a load of crap written by someone just out to make a cheap buck on the case. How about all the other women that Tyson attacked previously who were brought off or else scared into silence?... were they all lying too?........ why did Teddy Atlas hold a gun to Tysons head when he found out that Tyson had molested a female member of his family?..... these are facts not the crap written by the likes of Dersch...

Well I shouldnt take you seriously. You dont even give credit for what Tyson achieved in the ring.

I notice you haven't mentioned the many instances when Tyson attacked women previously to 1990?.... I suppose they don't fit in with your 'TYSON IS INNOCENT' outlook.... people such as Teddy Atlas and Jose Torres spoke of these incidances and Tysons treatment of women long before the Washington affair and these were men who were close to Tyson and saw what was going on... these guys knew the 'FACTS'....

Exactly Tyson has a bad history when it came to women.

Razor my last point on this matter is a question to you.

If a convicted rapist who protested his innocence wanted to start seeing your sister or mother what would you do? I think the answer is you would never allow it. Take Tyson out of the rape case and put an ordinary man in his place. I doubt you would be shouting about his innocence. You would probably be shouting for him to be hung. I must say I've lost all respect for you.

Arsenal wrote:You are talking crap now! The casse certainly wasn't a kangeroo court. Read the trial og Ruben Carter. That was a kangerco court!

What evidence do you have to say Washington can't trusted? Because you like Tyson?

Further more saying you can't get a re-trial/appeal in the USA? Can any Americans enlighten me cos I can't believe that!

Washington has cried rape 3 times. (I copy and pasted my first post from a comment in Amazon about this case to show everybody so that first post isnt written by me and I agree with everyone this person has said). So she is certainly NOT the one to be trusted. On you second point the Tyson case is a true definetion of a kangeroo court while Tyson's lawyer Vince Phillips knows absolutley nothing about rape or even criminal law itself. Very suspicious.

Arsenal wrote:Exactly Tyson has a bad history when it came to women.

Razor my last point on this matter is a question to you.

If a convicted rapist who protested his innocence wanted to start seeing your sister or mother what would you do? I think the answer is you would never allow it. Take Tyson out of the rape case and put an ordinary man in his place. I doubt you would be shouting about his innocence. You would probably be shouting for him to be hung. I must say I've lost all respect for you.

I think Razor's points are all pretty relevant. Rape is a disgusting crime and Tyson a distrubed person, but everyone is entitled to a prespumption of innocence, and if the doubts are as big as in this case this should work in the accused favor.

It's been awhile since I've read up on this case, so I may have to go down to the library and try to get more facts, but wasen't it true that Desiree Washington did not immediately make a report to the police that she had been raped ? Also, I vaguely seem to remember hearing that she went to some pageant rehearsal prior to her claiming that she had been raped. And last, wasen't there a story that Tyson made it very clear in front of Washington, a friend of hers and a woman limo driver, exactly what he wanted someone to come up to his room for ?

Maybe all that's incorrect, but the fact that a highly respected legal expert like Alan Dershowitz seriously doubts Tyson's guilt in this particular case makes me wonder.

Seamus wrote:It's been awhile since I've read up on this case, so I may have to go down to the library and try to get more facts, but wasen't it true that Desiree Washington did not immediately make a report to the police that she had been raped ? Also, I vaguely seem to remember hearing that she went to some pageant rehearsal prior to her claiming that she had been raped. And last, wasen't there a story that Tyson made it very clear in front of Washington, a friend of hers and a woman limo driver, exactly what he wanted someone to come up to his room for ?

Maybe all that's incorrect, but the fact that a highly respected legal expert like Alan Dershowitz seriously doubts Tyson's guilt in this particular case makes me wonder.

A lot of people don't go to the cops after they're raped. A stupid event type thing that occured with a member of my family and they sat aroudn for a week before telling me about it and not until after I told them to, they did not go to the police.

Even if she went up to his room for whatever, the second she says no, if you don't stop, it's rape. No means no, and Tyson didn't listen. I don't care if you put yourself in that situation knowingly or not, no means no.

Arsenal wrote:You are talking crap now! The casse certainly wasn't a kangeroo court. Read the trial og Ruben Carter. That was a kangerco court!

Agree he's talking crap - no one can be a 100% sure what really happend - that's a FACT.

As for Carter - there's two sides to every story -

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

Matty we don't always agree but well said.

Razor could you answer the question I asked. What would you do if a convicted rapist , who said he was innocent wanted to date your sister or mother? What would you do?

I can't believe some of the arguments people are using to defend Tyson. Listen we are all lads on here but some of you really worry me with your attitudes to women. If you were at a party a women is so drunk she can't stand up and can't really talk but earlier she said she likes you and wanted to sleep with you. She's half dressed and laying on a bed but is really pissed, would you have sex with her? If any of you say yes or even think about it then I can understand why you are defending Tyson.

Arsenal wrote:Matty we don't always agree but well said.
Listen we are all lads on here but some of you really worry me with your attitudes to women.

What specifically do you mean?
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Arsenal wrote:Matty we don't always agree but well said.

Razor could you answer the question I asked. What would you do if a convicted rapist , who said he was innocent wanted to date your sister or mother? What would you do?

I can't believe some of the arguments people are using to defend Tyson. Listen we are all lads on here but some of you really worry me with your attitudes to women. If you were at a party a women is so drunk she can't stand up and can't really talk but earlier she said she likes you and wanted to sleep with you. She's half dressed and laying on a bed but is really pissed, would you have sex with her? If any of you say yes or even think about it then I can understand why you are defending Tyson.

Now, are we drunk in this instance, or is it one-sided?

MightyWarrior wrote:

Arsenal wrote:You are talking crap now! The casse certainly wasn't a kangeroo court. Read the trial og Ruben Carter. That was a kangerco court!

Agree he's talking crap - no one can be a 100% sure what really happend - that's a FACT.

As for Carter - there's two sides to every story -

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

Thats interesting Warrior I'm gonna do some reading on that case.

Can anyone enlighten me about the American justice system and whteher you can have a re-trial/appeal?

Arsenal wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:

Arsenal wrote:You are talking crap now! The casse certainly wasn't a kangeroo court. Read the trial og Ruben Carter. That was a kangerco court!

Agree he's talking crap - no one can be a 100% sure what really happend - that's a FACT.

As for Carter - there's two sides to every story -

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

Thats interesting Warrior I'm gonna do some reading on that case.

Can anyone enlighten me about the American justice system and whteher you can have a re-trial/appeal?

Everyone can appeal, but sometimes it's not heard and kabbashed by the judge.

Re-trials happen is things involving evidence or tampering, or jury issues come about that could've swayed a trial one way or the other.

Rapper C-Murder recently got put on house arrest after spending 4 years in jail for murder (go figure) because something happened with one of the witnesses, or a few of them, I'm not too sure.