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1.Roy Jones Jr.
2.Floyd Patterson
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Ray Leonard
5.Ray Robinson
6.Shane Mosley
7.Hector Camacho
8.Meldrick Taylor
9.Floyd Mayweather Jr.
10.?

I'm talking about being fastest p4p fighters and you start bringing up something fast between Ali's legs.

I don't know what the hell your talking about.

Oh sure just go ahead and delete your post.

Grimm wrote:1.Roy Jones Jr.
2.Floyd Patterson
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Ray Leonard
5.Ray Robinson
6.Shane Mosley
7.Hector Camacho
8.Meldrick Taylor
9.Floyd Mayweather Jr.
10.?

This looks more like "the ten fighters Grimm's ever heard of".

Grimm are you talkin to yourself again? And if someone deleted their post wouldnt you have known about it ahead of time? You are Nostradamus correct?

So wouldnt that guy who has logged in like 19 one round ko's and a single 2 round KO probably the fastest? I mean he ends all his fights real fast so far. His name is something like Valero...if I remember right.

NIKOLAI VALUEV SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE.

You mean Nikolai "Lightning" Valuev?

pundit wrote:

Grimm wrote:1.Roy Jones Jr.
2.Floyd Patterson
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Ray Leonard
5.Ray Robinson
6.Shane Mosley
7.Hector Camacho
8.Meldrick Taylor
9.Floyd Mayweather Jr.
10.?

This looks more like "the ten fighters Grimm's ever heard of".

Why don't you come up with a list then?

Patterson > Jones in hand speed.

Robinson (all-time)
Leonard (colour TV age)

I think it's pretty much bullshit to even mention Ali's or Leonard's bullshit olympic style slap combos.

Patterson's power punch combos were just as fast or faster... I can only imagine him throwing for speed only.

Jones was also amazingly fast in his prime.

I would pick those two, Patterson and Jones.



P.S. FYI- Doing P4P for speed would mean reversing the formula from normal P4P... i.e. If Jones and Robinson have the same speed, then Jones wins, because he was the heavier man, and heavier normally equates to slower.

Ali and Leonard finished off some world class fighters with those BS slap combos.

Stacy Goodson is World Class too no doubt...

Harry Greb and Midget Wolgast are other fighters who
were very fast.

- Chuck Johnston

Grimm wrote:

pundit wrote:

Grimm wrote:1.Roy Jones Jr.
2.Floyd Patterson
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Ray Leonard
5.Ray Robinson
6.Shane Mosley
7.Hector Camacho
8.Meldrick Taylor
9.Floyd Mayweather Jr.
10.?

This looks more like "the ten fighters Grimm's ever heard of".

Why don't you come up with a list then?

Too difficult. the first issue to settle would be whether you mean handspeed or footspeed anyway.

Stop it, you'll confuse and anger Grimm

pundit wrote:

Grimm wrote:

pundit wrote: This looks more like "the ten fighters Grimm's ever heard of".

Why don't you come up with a list then?

Too difficult. the first issue to settle would be whether you mean handspeed or footspeed anyway.

Exactly it is very dificult so I suggest you shut the hell up criticizing my list.

Chuck1052 wrote:Harry Greb and Midget Wolgast are other fighters who
were very fast.

- Chuck Johnston

I don't doubt that they were it's just that there is not much or any film of them.

Hard to compare by speed.

Grimm....it's almost like you have a different personality, The Grimm I know would have been far quicker in response and brilliant comebacks....."Prime Grimm" would have been way faster than "Post Prime Grimm"...... And when I asked about foot speed and handspeed, back peddling, cutting off the ring, counterpunching reflexes you scared my post right off the thread with your short tempered shouting.

Maybe I'm thinking of "Grim" vs Grimm" I'll have to look up in the database and see if I have a case of mistaken identity. Anyway I do think you have to define it as a specific or "overall all catagories" of speed.

pundit wrote:Hand- or footspeed?

SPEED.

Ok well then overall Ali, Robinson I think they were lightening at their respective weight classes. Patterson hand speed. When your talking about overall speed I think you need to focus on high precision effective offensive activity with the ability to elude incoming from whatever the source.

Now don't get all over me again....I'm not trying to confuse I'm trying to stay focused and give good constructive input.....but last time I tried that you had a seizure.

Grimm wrote:

pundit wrote:Hand- or footspeed?

SPEED.

OK, this doesn't make sense.

As I thought.

Who took the most amphetamines?

pundit wrote:

Grimm wrote:

pundit wrote:Hand- or footspeed?

SPEED.

OK, this doesn't make sense.

As I thought.

Speed period.

Wow.

If that doesn't make sense I don't know what to tell you.