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I never heard of this fighter until the movie "Hurricane" came out.
I became so enthralled by this man's life, that I wanted to know more.
I read the book "Lazarus and the Hurricane", but it didn't give me enough
input on this man's career as a boxer, but more on his fights outside of
the ring in the court room and in prison.

Later on I read on how Emille Griffith was stopped in a single round
by Carter, and he himself is an all-time Middleweight great with power,
as he himself killed a man in the ring.

Joey Giardello in his match with Carter, though Rubin lost, was visibly
the only man who was hurt, as black and blue marks and swelling puffed
up his face beyond recognition.

I watched a few of his matches and his ferocity was unparalled.

It makes me wonder, hadn't his career been cut short by prison time,
since he had already flattened Griffith, and he had become champion
by beating Dick Tiger who beaten Giardello---if he would have been champion.

I believe he would have been champion. He was a middleweight
Sonny Liston, he was fearsome in the ring.

Carter had power and pretty good boxing ability, as well as toughness
and 'ring rage', meaning he was like Tyson throwing punches with bad
intentions from round one onwards, forever chasing the kayo.

What do you all think? How would he have faired if his career wasn't
so short? Do you believe he would have became champion?

Carter was pretty much shot by the time his career was ended, so it is pretty certain that he would not have been a champ, in fact, it's doubtful if he would have done anything to merit a shot at a title! The movie is such a load of shit...little to none of it is accurate. Carter was and is a real scum-bag of the lowest order, along the lines of James Butler of today! If you want to read some actual facts about Carter and the murders that he claimed he didn't commit, then check out the site below...it portrays Carter in a more correct way:


http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

Carter at the time of his arrest was not really a top contender anymore .His career was starting to hit a downward slide. The Giardello fight was not a robbery as was portrayed in the movie.

Carter was very lucky to catch Griffith cold, but if they would have ever had a rematch I would bet that Griffith would have easily out-pointed Carter. Carter was a tough journeyman who scored a few good wins, but as far as being a champion denied his shot he was not, but the again, he did get his shot and he lost fair and square.

I remember that the WBC gave Carter a WBC belt a few years ago and declared him an honorary champion...what a crock of shit, but then again, that type of nonsense has become commonplace in today’s era of ten champs per division!

barry wrote:… The movie is such a load of shit...little to none of it is accurate.

Yeah the movie sucked, but Bob Dylan’s song from the mid 70’s was great!!

Except for Dylan's voice.

Seamus wrote:Except for Dylan's voice.

Even that worked pretty well for the Hurricane song.

barry wrote:Carter was pretty much shot by the time his career was ended, so it is pretty certain that he would not have been a champ, in fact, it's doubtful if he would have done anything to merit a shot at a title! The movie is such a load of shit...little to none of it is accurate. Carter was and is a real scum-bag of the lowest order, along the lines of James Butler of today! If you want to read some actual facts about Carter and the murders that he claimed he didn't commit, then check out the site below...it portrays Carter in a more correct way:


http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

yes you are quite correct about Carter, his recent visit to the UK was a cause of some concern.it appears that as part of it he auctioned of a bely which was said to be a one of a kind. However it is a sad fact he did this little stunt TWICE at least getting over £2000 , if this happened at each of his events then the money soon adds up eh

the rubbish of the all white jury and being locked away on his own is an absolute lie and that idiot Bob Dylan fell for it - never let the facts get in the way of a good story and making money holds true in this case in a big way.

the next thing will be that Tyson is a credit to boxing and healthy living

Decagon wrote:

expug wrote:Carter at the time of his arrest was not really a top contender anymore .His career was starting to hit a downward slide. The Giardello fight was not a robbery as was portrayed in the movie.

Giardello's family sued the makers of the movie and won.

I know it . Joey was not the least bit amused with his portrayal in that movie.

carter was a very good fighter. beat some good men. some say he did the murders. some said he did not. when you read how his case was handled it is possible he did not do the murders. the kid that was with him and was told he could go home if he gave up carter. he said he would not do it. said he and carter did not do the murders. interesting story*

warrior wrote:carter was a very good fighter. beat some good men.

and killed some too.

i wonder if he did* i dont think he did. we may never know.

warrior---read all the documents on the website below:

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

The man had a solid left hook and scored a couple of impressive victories over Emile Griffith and Florentino Fernandez, but he was a one dimensional banger who lost a lot of fights and could be outboxed.

Read up on him and you will see that beyond the murder conviction he has been involved in a lot of bullshit. I think he's a con man who has been well marketed.

Carter was a savage puncher, intimidating and very strong physically but had a crazy lifestyle and a serious drinki problem, not good for a long career.

He had some good wins in his career but always had trouble with 'cutie' boxers. I've heard that he went nuts on hearing he had been matched with slick Holly Mimms untill he was assured thats Mimms would be wearing 'the cuffs'.

As tough and strong as Carter was he met his match when facing Dick Tiger.

Having said that I believe that at his best Carter would have been a force, if only for a short time in any era.

As for the film of his life? Very poor and way off the truth in many respects.

Don't get me wrong, Rubi Carter was a GOOD FIGHTER, but that movie makes him out to be almost a legendary victim of boxing politics and racism, this is just sadly not true...

Carter was given his world title shot, becuase it was seen as an easy title defence for the world champion, (Joey Giardello). Giardello could have foguht more diffcult competitors but his management chose the easier option, Rubin Carter who had inched into the title frame...

Carters record is nether long in duration nor plentiful in fights. Carter only fought from (September 1961 to August 1966), this is just over 5 years. And he only fought 40 fights.

But despite all this, Carter career is very patchy, with losses to Herschel Jacobs, Ernest Burford and Jose Monon Gonzalez. (Little known fighters who would never make it to the top).

At best, you can say Carter was a GOOD FIGHTER, certianly not a great one, nor anywhere near legendary status...

If you wnat to truly look for a middleweight boxer of legendary status (at around rpughly the same time period) I suggest you look at the likes of, Gene Fullmer, Carmen Basillio or Carlos Monzon...

All of whcih would wipe the floor with The Hurricane"...

Carter was a decent fighter…decent...with a better than average punch...nothing super-human and nothing special. He scored a very lucky knockout when he caught Griffith with a lucky shot and that is his claim-to-fame in boxing…a lucky shot.

Some people are regarded as all-around good guys...Carter is the quintessential all-around scum-bag...and not just because of the murders...he has a lot more going for his depravity than just the murders!!!