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Is he HOF material?
Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 15:40
by Borinken25
Hector “Macho” Camacho Sr. 79W (38KO’s) 5L and 2D
Approximately 92% winning ratio.
WBC Super Featherweight and Lightweight Champion, WBO Light Welterweight Champion, IBC Welter and Middleweight Champion, NBA Super Middleweight Champion.
He has a nice resume: Rafael Limon, Jose Luis Ramirez, Edwin Rosario, Boza Edwards, Ray Mancini, Vinny Pazienza, Greg Haugen, JC Chavez, Felix Trinidad, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Oscar De La Hoya. Like him or hate him, prime Camacho was awesome.
Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 15:44
by Flump
Not for me. He was looking excellent, until Edwin Rosario clocked him and he seemed to realise he could get hurt in his chosen business. From then on he was more glorified limbo dancer than HOF candidate.
Posted: 19 Jun 2006, 17:49
by BoxBuzz
Once again since this is the "Hall of Fame" I would say he deserves induction when he is eligilbe. He accomplished a lot and was very well known. He beat some shoo in Hall of Famers as well along the way.
Is the best of the best? Possibly not, perhaps a bit over rated but Hall of Fame material for sure. The more interesting discussions are how would he do against the real talent in his most effective weight class.
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 01:37
by Jaclem
..based on some of the others who are in there...sure.....a resume easily as good as..snort..jess willard...just to name one all time dazzler.
buzzy's right...how does he rate with others in his weight classes.
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 18:08
by Ambling Alp
That is the problem with the Hall of Fame. The first few years the voting was actually pretty good. However, in the last few years it hasn't been.
Once an undeserving fighter like Willard gets in, than you can make the case for literally hundreds of fighters that aren't in.
There are certainly less deserving fighters than Camacho that are in. (Willard, Johansson, Cuevas to name a few).
Camacho did have a rather odd career and is a bit difficult to judge. Several big name opponents were previously mentioned.
However, he lost decisively to Trinidad, De La Hoya and Chavez.
His wins over Leonard and Duran really don't mean much considering they were way way past their prime at the time.
Camacho's decison win over a rusty Mancini was a disgrace of a decison. Camacho hardly threw any punches at all.
Still, he did have wins over Limon, Ramirez, Boza Edwards (though even these guys were a little shop worn by then) and Rosario, Pazienza and Haugen. Not one of these is a huge win, but they are certainly respectable wins.
One factor will be who he will competing for votes against once he is retired for 5 years and is eligible for the Hall of Fame. For example, he isn't going to get in ahead of Tommy Hearns.
A factor that may work against him is that so many people dislike him and won't vote for him, unless the selection committee can very impartial which is doubtful.
My guess is that some day he will get in but not right away. Will he deserve it? Well by the time he eligible, several more less deserving fighters will probably get in and his selection won't seem that undeserving.
Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 21:19
by Expug
Art Aragon is in there. I guess the Macho Man deserves some consideration .