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All time great light-heavyweights(post ur list)
Posted: 02 Jul 2006, 01:37
by dmt
post ur all time light-heavyweight list. I'll do mine later
Posted: 02 Jul 2006, 01:47
by dmt
so here's my list:
#1- Ezzard Charles
#2- Sam Langford
#3- Archie Moore
#4- Michael Spinks
#5- Gene Tunney
#6- Bob Foster
#7- Billy Conn
#8- Tommy Loughran
#9- Harold Johnson
#10-Tommy Gibbons
Posted: 02 Jul 2006, 03:03
by dmt
come to think of it Harold Johnson is very underated these days
Posted: 02 Jul 2006, 03:38
by sockdolager
1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Michael Spinks
4. Gene Tunney
5. Sam Langford
6. Harry Greb
7. Bob Foster
8. Roy Jones
9. Tommy Loughran
10. Billy Conn
Posted: 02 Jul 2006, 03:55
by dmt
sockdollanger wrote:1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Michael Spinks
4. Gene Tunney
5. Sam Langford
6. Harry Greb
7. Bob Foster
8. Roy Jones
9. Tommy Loughran
10. Billy Conn
good list mate
Posted: 02 Jul 2006, 04:34
by AndreWardFan2006
In no particular order:
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Billy Conn
Bob Foster
Maxie Rosenbloom
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Roy Jones Jr.
Jimmy Bivins
Harold Johnson
Michael Spinks
Tommy Loughran
Gene Tunney
Jose Torres
Dick Tiger
John Henry Lewis
Posted: 02 Jul 2006, 06:11
by dmt
AndreWardFan2006 wrote:In no particular order:
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Billy Conn
Bob Foster
Maxie Rosenbloom
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Roy Jones Jr.
Jimmy Bivins
Harold Johnson
Michael Spinks
Tommy Loughran
Gene Tunney
Jose Torres
Dick Tiger
John Henry Lewis
some really good names in there
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 01:02
by dmt
i don't think Tarver should be in the top 50
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 02:19
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
decagon, u horribly underate harold johnson go watch some film of johnson in the mid 1950s his peak, wut a fighter. top 10 material easy. i cant see many light-H in history beating a peak harold johnson.
harold johnson at his peak would beat bivins IMO clearly. in fact a very young green harold johnson beat bivins
joey maxim over harold johnson is a joke, harold johnson would have given maxim a boxing lesson
if there was no archie moore in the 1950s, harold johnson would have been champ the whole decade
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 02:21
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
my top 10 light-H of all time
1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Sam Langford
4. Billy Conn
5. Michael Spinx
6. Bob Foster
7. Gene Tunney
8. Harold Johnson
9. John Henry Lewis
10. Tommy Loughran
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 02:22
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
Decagon wrote:Light Heavyweight:
1. Ezzard Charles
2. Michael Spinks
3. Archie Moore
4. Gene Tunney
5. Bob Foster
6. Harry Greb
7. Sam Langford
8. Billy Conn
9. Tommy Loughran
10. Roy Jones
11. Tommy Gibbons
12. Jimmy Bivins
13. Tommy Burns
14. Joey Maxim
15. Maxie Rosenbloom
16. Eddie Muhammad
17. Harold Johnson
18. Battling Levinsky
19. John Henry Lewis
20. Lloyd Marshall
21. Jack Dillon
22. Gus Lesvenich
23. Tiger Jack Fox
24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
25. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
26. Bob Fitzsimmons
27. Georges Carpentier
28. Virgil Hill
29. Jack Root
30. Michael Moorer
31. Victor Galindez
32. Jose Torres
33. John Coteh
34. Antonio Tarver
35. Dariusz Michalschewski
36. Tommy Hearns
37. Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
38. Sugar Ray Leonard
39. Marvin Johnson
40. Jim Braddock
The list goes on to 50, but you need to go to 50 or 60 just to get a good 40.
no harry kid mathews??
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 02:58
by sockdolager
Im starting to think Brockton doesnt like you Decagon.
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 03:01
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
sockdollanger wrote:Im starting to think Brockton doesnt like you Decagon.
i dont have grudges against anyone here, i just dont like his harold johnson pick and the fact that he has joey maxim and jimmy bivins over him
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 03:03
by sockdolager
I agree about Maxim, I think he was a decent at best fighter.
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 03:26
by dmt
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:my top 10 light-H of all time
1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Sam Langford
4. Billy Conn
5. Michael Spinx
6. Bob Foster
7. Gene Tunney
8. Harold Johnson
9. John Henry Lewis
10. Tommy Loughran
true that Johnson is underated. I have him at #9. Excellent boxer and good puncher
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 06:37
by Les Darcy
1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Michael Spinks
6. Bob Foster
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Billy Conn
10. Roy Jones jnr.
Harold Johnson would probably be next.
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 06:49
by dmt
Les Darcy wrote:1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Michael Spinks
6. Bob Foster
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Billy Conn
10. Roy Jones jnr.
Harold Johnson would probably be next.
great efforts, good list
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 10:34
by pundit
1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Sam Langford
4. Archie Moore
5. Billy Conn
6. Bob Foster
7. Michael Spinks
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Roy Jones
10. Maxie Rosenbloom (I've got a weak spot for the pure boxers....)
I see Harry Greb as a middleweight, otherwise he'd come in at about #5. I'm unsure about Langford's placement - he could be a high as #1.
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 12:23
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
Decagon wrote:BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:sockdollanger wrote:Im starting to think Brockton doesnt like you Decagon.
i dont have grudges against anyone here, i just dont like his harold johnson pick and the fact that he has joey maxim and jimmy bivins over him
Bivins was so shot in 1949.
he wasnt so shot, but he was defintley past his prime. plus harold johnson wasnt at his peak either
wasnt it you who said that 26 year old jimmy bivins who hadnt lost in 3 years was past his prime when walcott beat him in 1946?
thats all u need to do is watch the film to realize prime for prime johnson would beat bivins
bivins is a bit robotic and slow on film. bivins was an excellent textbook very intelligent boxer. but johnson was more mobile, more versatile, and much faster. bivins wouldnt be able to get away from johnsons jab
Posted: 03 Jul 2006, 12:25
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
Les Darcy wrote:1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Michael Spinks
6. Bob Foster
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Billy Conn
10. Roy Jones jnr.
Harold Johnson would probably be next.
great efforts but why is billy conn so low, i cant picture hardly any light-H in history being able to beat a peak conn
Posted: 04 Jul 2006, 00:22
by Les Darcy
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Les Darcy wrote:1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Michael Spinks
6. Bob Foster
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Billy Conn
10. Roy Jones jnr.
Harold Johnson would probably be next.
great efforts but why is billy conn so low, i cant picture hardly any light-H in history being able to beat a peak conn
Pretty much the reasons Decagon pointed out. In my pound-for-pound list, Conn is higher then some of the guys ahead of him in that list, but he didn't do enough at light heavyweight to get any higher. I'd probably have Conn higher on a head-to-head list, but I don't take a lot of that into account because its so subjective.
Posted: 04 Jul 2006, 04:01
by dmt
Conn is #7 for me though he could have been the greatest if not for world war 2. After the war Conn was not the same fighter
Posted: 04 Jul 2006, 04:18
by Ezzard
1 Ezzard Charles
2 Archie Moore
3 Sam Langford
4 Gene Tunney
5 Michael Spinks
6 Bob Foster
7 Billy Conn
8 Harry Greb
9 Tommy Loughran
10 Bob Fitzsimmons
Posted: 04 Jul 2006, 09:55
by pundit
Ezzard wrote:1 Ezzard Charles
2 Archie Moore
3 Sam Langford
4 Gene Tunney
5 Michael Spinks
6 Bob Foster
7 Billy Conn
8 Harry Greb
9 Tommy Loughran
10 Bob Fitzsimmons
Nice list, too.
Posted: 04 Jul 2006, 13:56
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
Decagon wrote:BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Les Darcy wrote:1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Michael Spinks
6. Bob Foster
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Billy Conn
10. Roy Jones jnr.
Harold Johnson would probably be next.
great efforts but why is billy conn so low, i cant picture hardly any light-H in history being able to beat a peak conn
Conn's resume at 175 isn't that strong. Film footage is an excellent way to gague a fighter's worthiness, but beating Betina, Lesnivich, a bunch of middleweights and a couple of heavyweights isn't enough to warrant a top-five ranking, especially when nearly everyone else in the top 10 has a stronger resume at 175.
wut about his near win over a prime joe louis, the greatest heavyweight of all time??
conn between bettina twice. bettina was a very good fighter. bettina went 1-1-1 with ur # 12 ranked light-H of all time jimmy bivins
melio bettina is a very underated fighter. bettina beat tiger jack fox, harry bobo, eddie blunt, jimmy bivins, hatchetman sheppard, buddy walker,
bettina a white guy was cleaning out the best most highly avoided negroes in the light-H and heavyweight division