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TerribleTerry wrote:I agree – Bute is the real dangerman in the division and his style/build is certainly reminiscent of Calzaghe’s.

That would be an excellent match up but Bute needs to raise his profile in both the States and Britain in order to make the fight a realistic possibility.

viciousmaussa wrote:Is Calzaghe going to fight Andrade?

In an ideal world, Andrade and Mundine should be paired up.

Really though, Bute is a much more worthy contender. The way he beat Salem, Thysse and Mock should make him the leading contender.

viciousmaussa wrote:Good point raised by Axe. All that faffing about for a guy who has one good win. Could be Lacy syndrome again. Yank starts to look good, and he apparently owns the world

Max Molyneux wrote:If he's won a mandatory fight then you just take that away from him. Maybe he's not that good but without mandatories then there would be fiarness of good fighters getting a shot.

stujones wrote:I don't see what the fuss is all about. He beat Grant in an WBC FINAL eliminator. Grant before that won a WBC eliminator.... So what was the problem with him protesting about the Kessler fight.

It's like Johnson protesting about Woods' rematch with DeLisle and Urkal protesting about Collazo vs Hatton.

I don't see the problem, he won his eliminator - he deserves to be mandatory. Plenty of fighters don't beat anyone and yet get into the #1 position. Like Gavin Rees - he was scheduled to fight for the WBO Super Feather title and he hadn't fought for like a year.

He obviously feels that Kessler is going to be a harder ask, so why not put in a complaint - just as Urkal did (and Urkal didn't even fight an eliminator).

Anyway the unification is on, so whats the problem. Besides, he looks pretty impressive and I would have favoured him over Beyer.

stujones wrote:No, I see your point - but I can see Andrande's point also.... and I know who I'd rather fight between Beyer and Kessler.

To be fair to the WBC, Andrande and everyone. The Grant vs Andrande final eliminator was mandated and fought before Kessler and Beyer started negations. Like with Collazo and Urkal, Beyer was given a date where he had to fight Andrande - but now is fighting Kessler instead. He is lucky that he is not being stripped - as Collazo was also.

Grant beat the guys the WBC accepted as semi eliminators.... but lost to Andrande. So even if he is cack - he is not a Freeman Barr style mandatory. He beat the man the WBC nominated in an eliminator. Beyer's mandatory is due = Andrande should fight for the WBC title. Whether he deserve the chance or warranted the chance to fight Grant is open to debate... What I don't think is open to debate is if a fighter wins an eliminator and the mandatory is due - then o f course the fighter should get the shot (no matter how bad the eliminator was).

Whats more concerning is that I'm not sure Joe Calzaghe and Sports Network are even aware of the unification fight happening - so I wouldn't blame Andrande, the WBC or anyone like that if the Calzaghe vs WBA/WBC champion doesn't take place. No press release or anything... a bit dissapointing.

Axe wrote:Stu, I just had another glance at Andrade's resume, and his second biggest win was a decision over 21-0 Willie Stewart. Like the rest of Andrade's opponents (except Grant), Stewart was not in the division's top 15, despite being unbeaten. In his next fight, Stewart lost to 15-5 John Roman William.

I remember watching a middleweight version of Chad Dawson absolutely dominate William (who fights at 175 and higher) with straight punches from the outside and carving his face up for a 4th round TKO. That was when William was a hopeful 9-1 prospect (Dawson was only 8-0 then), not a 15-5 journeyman.

Now Chad is a great fighter, but he was somewhat scrawny and lacked power back when he was 20 years old, so the fact that a middleweight version of Dawson absolutely dominated William--who went on to beat Stewart--is a telling sign of Andrade's weak resume.

nickd wrote:Bute looks good but is a few fights away from being ready for a title shot.

Axe wrote:Stu, I just had another glance at Andrade's resume, and his second biggest win was a decision over 21-0 Willie Stewart. Like the rest of Andrade's opponents (except Grant), Stewart was not in the division's top 15, despite being unbeaten. In his next fight, Stewart lost to 15-5 John Roman William.

I remember watching a middleweight version of Chad Dawson absolutely dominate William (who fights at 175 and higher) with straight punches from the outside and carving his face up for a 4th round TKO. That was when William was a hopeful 9-1 prospect (Dawson was only 8-0 then), not a 15-5 journeyman.

Now Chad is a great fighter, but he was somewhat scrawny and lacked power back when he was 20 years old, so the fact that a middleweight version of Dawson absolutely dominated William--who went on to beat Stewart--is a telling sign of Andrade's weak resume.

but wants to get him a world title shot before he gets exposed by someone who IS GOOD!!

stujones wrote:

Axe wrote:Stu, I just had another glance at Andrade's resume, and his second biggest win was a decision over 21-0 Willie Stewart. Like the rest of Andrade's opponents (except Grant), Stewart was not in the division's top 15, despite being unbeaten. In his next fight, Stewart lost to 15-5 John Roman William.

I remember watching a middleweight version of Chad Dawson absolutely dominate William (who fights at 175 and higher) with straight punches from the outside and carving his face up for a 4th round TKO. That was when William was a hopeful 9-1 prospect (Dawson was only 8-0 then), not a 15-5 journeyman.

Now Chad is a great fighter, but he was somewhat scrawny and lacked power back when he was 20 years old, so the fact that a middleweight version of Dawson absolutely dominated William--who went on to beat Stewart--is a telling sign of Andrade's weak resume.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Andrade warranted his eliminator. Although I think Grant did just about he looked decent in his return and Woolnough, Adamu and Wiggins are decent if not world beaters. He was also a very good ex world champion - so that does mean alot.

However, for all their wisdom the WBC felt Andrade deserved a final eliminator - and he won it. Therefore, the WBC should fulfil their promise and give him the opportunity. Thats what an eliminator would be.

I'm not saying that cause I think Andrande is a decent fighter, which I think he is. I'm just saying he won the right before the Kessler vs Beyer fight was negotiated.

Lennox got stripped cause he wouldn't face Byrd, Hatton would get stripped if he doesn't face Urkal. Same here.

shoutout2u wrote:

Axe wrote:Stu, I just had another glance at Andrade's resume, and his second biggest win was a decision over 21-0 Willie Stewart. Like the rest of Andrade's opponents (except Grant), Stewart was not in the division's top 15, despite being unbeaten. In his next fight, Stewart lost to 15-5 John Roman William.

I remember watching a middleweight version of Chad Dawson absolutely dominate William (who fights at 175 and higher) with straight punches from the outside and carving his face up for a 4th round TKO. That was when William was a hopeful 9-1 prospect (Dawson was only 8-0 then), not a 15-5 journeyman.

Now Chad is a great fighter, but he was somewhat scrawny and lacked power back when he was 20 years old, so the fact that a middleweight version of Dawson absolutely dominated William--who went on to beat Stewart--is a telling sign of Andrade's weak resume.

agreed!! dawson is already better than andrade, but his handlers have enuf sense not to rush him into a world title match yet...

i wouldnt be surprised, as shrewd a promoter as oscar is, that he realizes andrade isnt that good, but wants to get him a world title shot before he gets exposed by someone who IS GOOD!!

remember, oscar was mentored in promotion by slickster arum, who is in the process of doing the same thing with julio chavez jr!!

shoutout2u wrote:

nickd wrote:Bute looks good but is a few fights away from being ready for a title shot.

i agree!! but then andrade looks to be a few MORE fights away from a title shot than bute!!

Axe wrote:

shoutout2u wrote:

Axe wrote:Stu, I just had another glance at Andrade's resume, and his second biggest win was a decision over 21-0 Willie Stewart. Like the rest of Andrade's opponents (except Grant), Stewart was not in the division's top 15, despite being unbeaten. In his next fight, Stewart lost to 15-5 John Roman William.

I remember watching a middleweight version of Chad Dawson absolutely dominate William (who fights at 175 and higher) with straight punches from the outside and carving his face up for a 4th round TKO. That was when William was a hopeful 9-1 prospect (Dawson was only 8-0 then), not a 15-5 journeyman.

Now Chad is a great fighter, but he was somewhat scrawny and lacked power back when he was 20 years old, so the fact that a middleweight version of Dawson absolutely dominated William--who went on to beat Stewart--is a telling sign of Andrade's weak resume.

agreed!! dawson is already better than andrade, but his handlers have enuf sense not to rush him into a world title match yet...

i wouldnt be surprised, as shrewd a promoter as oscar is, that he realizes andrade isnt that good, but wants to get him a world title shot before he gets exposed by someone who IS GOOD!!

remember, oscar was mentored in promotion by slickster arum, who is in the process of doing the same thing with julio chavez jr!!

Glad to see the expert on American contenders agrees with me here.

And my friend, Dawson is already head, shoulders, torso, and legs better than Andrade! Dawson has already beat TWO of Ring Magazine's top ten contenders, Im thinking it will be a long time before we can say the same for Andrade. Btw, Dawson's handlers are looking for a shot soon, but after a few more fights for Chad. Dawson also has an excellent amateur career to fall back on.

shoutout2u wrote:absolutely...dawson & andrade are in different galaxies!! the more i think about it the more i have to say that golden boy is trying to quickly cash in on a title shot for the overhyped andrade before he gets exposed & loses that inflated, synthetic unbeaten record!!

Axe wrote:

stujones wrote:

Axe wrote:Stu, I just had another glance at Andrade's resume, and his second biggest win was a decision over 21-0 Willie Stewart. Like the rest of Andrade's opponents (except Grant), Stewart was not in the division's top 15, despite being unbeaten. In his next fight, Stewart lost to 15-5 John Roman William.

I remember watching a middleweight version of Chad Dawson absolutely dominate William (who fights at 175 and higher) with straight punches from the outside and carving his face up for a 4th round TKO. That was when William was a hopeful 9-1 prospect (Dawson was only 8-0 then), not a 15-5 journeyman.

Now Chad is a great fighter, but he was somewhat scrawny and lacked power back when he was 20 years old, so the fact that a middleweight version of Dawson absolutely dominated William--who went on to beat Stewart--is a telling sign of Andrade's weak resume.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Andrade warranted his eliminator. Although I think Grant did just about he looked decent in his return and Woolnough, Adamu and Wiggins are decent if not world beaters. He was also a very good ex world champion - so that does mean alot.

However, for all their wisdom the WBC felt Andrade deserved a final eliminator - and he won it. Therefore, the WBC should fulfil their promise and give him the opportunity. Thats what an eliminator would be.

I'm not saying that cause I think Andrande is a decent fighter, which I think he is. I'm just saying he won the right before the Kessler vs Beyer fight was negotiated.

Lennox got stripped cause he wouldn't face Byrd, Hatton would get stripped if he doesn't face Urkal. Same here.

Stu, I agree with most of the things you say...but do you remember what happened to Paul Briggs? The WBC made him fight THREE eliminators, and his resume was quite a bit better than Andrade's at the time.