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Glen Johnson is an undefeated world champion
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 09:00
by fried bread
That's what it says on the SN presser for Woods-Johnson 3.
Since he lost his title fight to Tarver, how can he be an 'undefeated world champion'?
He has some 9 losses on his record. How is he unbeaten?
Why are pressers so full of nonsense?
Does it ever piss anyone off when ring announcers announce somebody as 'formerly undefeated'? That one always gets me.
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 09:09
by Chambers2
It's very misleading, I think the point they were trying to get across was that Johnson has never lost his title in the ring, which bares very little resemblance to what they actually wrote
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 09:10
by nickd
His fights with Tarver were for the IBO strap not a real world title. I believe Johnson was stripped or vacated the IBF belt as Woods was the mandatory and he fought Tarver instead.
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 09:46
by Autobarn
Johnson & tarver gave up their alphabet titles to fight each other in the most meaningful fight at that time. hence it was considered in most quarters as for the genuine world title
as johnson was so naff in the tarver rematch, he was very much defeated as world champion (coming off a win over tarver)
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 10:19
by nickd
Johnson is just not that good in reality. A good solid pro but nothing more. He caught a faded Jones at the right time. And Hopkins has just shown how good Tarver is/isn't.
Re: Glen Johnson is an undefeated world champion
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 12:47
by boxingchat
fried bread wrote:That's what it says on the SN presser for Woods-Johnson 3.
Since he lost his title fight to Tarver, how can he be an 'undefeated world champion'?
He has some 9 losses on his record. How is he unbeaten?
Why are pressers so full of nonsense?
Does it ever piss anyone off when ring announcers announce somebody as 'formerly undefeated'? That one always gets me.
The term 'undefeated world champion' means, he is undefeated as a world champion and never lost his championship in a fight.' SN Are 100% accurate in their statement
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 12:51
by nickd
"Undefeated as a world champion in a division that had to be at its worst in years at the time" is more apt.
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 12:58
by stujones
nickd wrote:"Undefeated as a world champion in a division that had to be at its worst in years at the time" is more apt.
Undefeated as a IBF champion won in a contest designed to be an eliminator.
It is in fact the battle of two undefeated IBF champion!
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 13:08
by lvlarc
The phrase is a sly cheap pun meant to fool the avergae Joe. It's BS.
In any case, the IBO is a world title, and he just lost it.
It should be FORMER world champion anyway.
Re: Glen Johnson is an undefeated world champion
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 16:14
by Autobarn
boxingchat wrote:fried bread wrote:That's what it says on the SN presser for Woods-Johnson 3.
Since he lost his title fight to Tarver, how can he be an 'undefeated world champion'?
He has some 9 losses on his record. How is he unbeaten?
Why are pressers so full of nonsense?
Does it ever piss anyone off when ring announcers announce somebody as 'formerly undefeated'? That one always gets me.
The term 'undefeated world champion' means, he is undefeated as a world champion and never lost his championship in a fight.' SN Are 100% accurate in their statement
you're stretching the arsehole until it rips apart
You guys should be embarrassed. 'Former undefeated former journeyman with nine or ten or however many it is losses! ' is that how Michael Pass is going to introduce him?
Wow, he was undefeated in three fights for the IBF title, one of which he drew. Then he beat Tarver for what was recognised in most quarters as the genuine 175-lb championship, because they basically said fornicate it, instead of doing mandatory defenses we'll fight each other in the division's most meaningful fight. Ring and most websites acknowledged it as a fight for The light heavyweight championship. And then in a rematch for said title, whose value has just been outlined, he gets totally schooled in the rematch
The first fight was a breath of fresh air. The 2nd fight they looked so bad no one gave a shit & felt that the other guys like briggs and Adamek might be ready to take over... The 'title' then lost its meaning with Tarver not having to defend against anyone except Roy Jones, and then obviously Hopkins puts us all out of our misery
no matter, Johnson gave up one championship for another and got beaten for said championship. So what SN say is toss
Undefeated in fights as 'IBF titlist' (a stunning 2-1 record), 1-1 in fights for the genuine light heavy crown, and 0-2 in fights for the IBF 160 & 168lb titles
"Hailing from Jamaica via Florida, bringing his middling record into the ring, please welcome, Glen Johnsonnnnnn"
Re: Glen Johnson is an undefeated world champion
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 16:48
by states
boxingchat wrote:fried bread wrote:That's what it says on the SN presser for Woods-Johnson 3.
Since he lost his title fight to Tarver, how can he be an 'undefeated world champion'?
He has some 9 losses on his record. How is he unbeaten?
Why are pressers so full of nonsense?
Does it ever piss anyone off when ring announcers announce somebody as 'formerly undefeated'? That one always gets me.
The term 'undefeated world champion' means, he is undefeated as a world champion and never lost his championship in a fight.' SN Are 100% accurate in their statement
Save it for the ITV viewers BC, you might fool some of them. It ain't washing here. And 'undefeated world champion' does not mean 'he is undefeated as a world champion and never lost his championship in a fight'. It would mean he is A: World Champion. And B: Undefeated. Johnson is neither of these things.
An accurate description would be 'Undefeated as a World Champion'. And even that's up to debate, given the Tarver fights.
Re: Glen Johnson is an undefeated world champion
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 18:39
by stujones
boxingchat wrote:fried bread wrote:That's what it says on the SN presser for Woods-Johnson 3.
Since he lost his title fight to Tarver, how can he be an 'undefeated world champion'?
He has some 9 losses on his record. How is he unbeaten?
Why are pressers so full of nonsense?
Does it ever piss anyone off when ring announcers announce somebody as 'formerly undefeated'? That one always gets me.
The term 'undefeated world champion' means, he is undefeated as a world champion and never lost his championship in a fight.' SN Are 100% accurate in their statement
Shouldn't it be undefeated IBF title.... bogus or not the IBO sanctioned both Tarver fights and it was billed for the IBO world championship. So he has lost as a world champion.
Re: Glen Johnson is an undefeated world champion
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 19:08
by Axe
viciousmaussa wrote:boxingchat wrote:fried bread wrote:That's what it says on the SN presser for Woods-Johnson 3.
Since he lost his title fight to Tarver, how can he be an 'undefeated world champion'?
He has some 9 losses on his record. How is he unbeaten?
Why are pressers so full of nonsense?
Does it ever piss anyone off when ring announcers announce somebody as 'formerly undefeated'? That one always gets me.
The term 'undefeated world champion' means, he is undefeated as a world champion and never lost his championship in a fight.' SN Are 100% accurate in their statement
you're stretching the arsehole until it rips apart
You guys should be embarrassed. 'Former undefeated former journeyman with nine or ten or however many it is losses! ' is that how Michael Pass is going to introduce him?
Wow, he was undefeated in three fights for the IBF title, one of which he drew. Then he beat Tarver for what was recognised in most quarters as the genuine 175-lb championship, because they basically said smeg it, instead of doing mandatory defenses we'll fight each other in the division's most meaningful fight. Ring and most websites acknowledged it as a fight for The light heavyweight championship. And then in a rematch for said title, whose value has just been outlined, he gets totally schooled in the rematch
The first fight was a breath of fresh air. The 2nd fight they looked so bad no one gave a shit & felt that the other guys like briggs and Adamek might be ready to take over... The 'title' then lost its meaning with Tarver not having to defend against anyone except Roy Jones, and then obviously Hopkins puts us all out of our misery
no matter, Johnson gave up one championship for another and got beaten for said championship. So what SN say is toss
Undefeated in fights as 'IBF titlist' (a stunning 2-1 record), 1-1 in fights for the genuine light heavy crown, and 0-2 in fights for the IBF 160 & 168lb titles
"Hailing from Jamaica via Florida, bringing his middling record into the ring, please welcome, Glen Johnsonnnnnn"
Good post.
Posted: 18 Jul 2006, 19:35
by stujones
If you want to be even more petty... He has even lost an IBF title fight, Sven beat him at Super Middleweight.