Gene Tunney ducked George Godfrey
Posted: 19 Jul 2006, 13:53
"Tunney wanted nothing to do with Godfrey--plain and simple--too tough a fight. I will look to see what I have for references regarding Tunney and the color line. People point to him wanting to fight Wills but that was a joke--Tunney only wanted to talk that up to push his way towards a fight with Dempsey. I think Tunney may have been a racist(which would not be surprising for the times) as well as an elitist snob."- boxing historian kevin smith
larry gains said "Godfrey was the best of them all. I've sparred with Dempsey and fought just about every good heavyweight out there and I will tell you, George Godfrey was the best. I was afraid of only two men in my life, My Father and George Godfrey."
gains was another one of the highly avoided black contenders of the 1920s who tunney never fought. gains was alot better than tom heeney who tunney fought in his last title defense!
TUNNEY SPURNS GODFREY MATCH
"plans for a battle between geney tunney, former american lightheavyweight champion, and george godfrey, negro heavyweight, as the feature attraction on the annuel christmas boxing carnival in madison square garden on dec 18, today were abandoned. it was announced by the officials of the fund. billy gibson manager of gene tunney declinded the prooffered match. according the the fund officials, gibson asserted harry wills is the only negro heavyweight tunney will box." - los angeles times nov. 4 1925
seems they will fight a old black man well past his best days, but not a young powerful big black man
as for tunney fighting wills...............
"People point to him wanting to fight Wills but that was a joke--Tunney only wanted to talk that up to push his way towards a fight with Dempsey."- boxing historian kevin smith
EASTERN SNAPSHOTS by W. Rollo Wilson
Nov.12, 1925-The Baron of Leiperville is home again with wonderous tales of the mighty deeds of the "Shadow" along the gilded slope. The "Shadow" is just another way of denoting Gorger George Godfrey, Jimmy's (Dougherty) outsize white elephant. For white elephant George seems now to be. Nobody wants to fight him for love or money. Mr. Wills unostentatiously draws the color line. Mr. Tunney is more blatant in his announcement to the same effect. "I'll fight Harry Wills," broadcasts James Joseph, "but I draw the color line on George Godfrey."
Two things may be on the mind of the Apollo of Greenwich Village, Perhaps he thinks that one "shot" with Wills would give him enough of the filthy lucre for his future earthly needs. Win or lose he would be "in." Fighting Ole Black Lightning [Godfrey] would be a case of all to lose and nothing to gain, he probably thinks. At this time Billy Gibson and Tunney are saying that the Big Three of Boxing are Dempsey, Wills, and the modest Gene. Godfrey would fain make it a foursome, but you can be jolly well sure that the triumvira will continue to say him nay.
One of the first acts of [Dougherty] on his arrival was to release another challenge in the general direction of the above-mentioned Big Three. His latest offer is this:
All any promoter has to do is get Harry, Gene or Jack to sign the papers and pay them whatever they want. Godfrey will come in without asking for a dollar. The aftermath will provide the Dougherty clan with all they will want, because they feel that George can take any of the three.
As is well known Dougherty and Dempsey are the best of friends. Last summer a year ago (1924) Dempsey visited the baronial halls (Leiperville). While here the subject of a bout with George was broached. Jack declared that if he fought at all he would fight Wills, but not Godfrey. Jimmy pressed him for the reason and he said : "Godfrey is a big strong fellow and is young, Wills is getting older and I think he will be the easier man of the two. That is the reason I prefer to fight him, if I fight."
* ROLLO WILSON was often referred to as "the dean of the Black Press.
"Godfrey is vastly under-rated. His record and career are somewhat mired in mystery. So many DQ's, knockouts and damn mystifying losses. I have no doubt, for instance, that he had the cuffs on against Sharkey. The high number of DQ's has more to do with him fighting to order than it does with him being sloppy.
Tunney could outbox most heavies and I don't doubt that he could outbox George Godfrey for 5 or six or even ten rounds. However, George was fast for his size, was adept at chasing men down and could hit like a team of mules. If this were a fifteen round fight, I see Godfrey having a hell of chance catching up to Gene. Remember that Tunney's heavyweight resume is not that long or overly impressive. His two best wins were against Dempsey--over 10 rounds--and it is probable that Jack was past it then. Godfrey handled Larry Gaines fairly easily and Gaines was a boxer in both the mold and style of Tunney. Gaines stated that he feared only two men in his life, his father and George Godfrey.
George was a beast--big, athletic, huge puncher and surprisingly good speed and movement for a man his size. I think in his prime, 1925-1931, he was about as good as it got. Nobody really wanted to fight George, and for good reason. Tunney avoided him like the plague. In his prime, with no handcuffs, and this is strictly my opinion, I think he could have beaten, Tunney, Sharkey, Carnera and maybe even Dempsey(certainly a post 1926 Dempsey)."- boxing historian kevin smith
-I dont believe tunney ever fought a black fighter. even those there were some dangerous very good black fighters out there. tunney drew the color line more than anyone of that era. he should get critisized for this. this is a very bad mark on tunneys legacy.
- godfrey would be a huge test for tunney since he never took on a big heavyweight LET ALONE A ALL TIME SKILLED POWERFUL SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT LIKE GODFREY
- in 1928 george godfrey larry gains and jack sharkey were clearly the 3 best heavyweight challengers out there regardless of there records. everyone from that era knew it. yet tunney decided for his last title defense to be the light no world beater tom heeney. he wanted a easy last title defense. then he retired with 3 great heavyweight challengers out there. this is not the class act of a champion.
godfrey should have defintley got a shot at tunneys crown!
larry gains said "Godfrey was the best of them all. I've sparred with Dempsey and fought just about every good heavyweight out there and I will tell you, George Godfrey was the best. I was afraid of only two men in my life, My Father and George Godfrey."
gains was another one of the highly avoided black contenders of the 1920s who tunney never fought. gains was alot better than tom heeney who tunney fought in his last title defense!
TUNNEY SPURNS GODFREY MATCH
"plans for a battle between geney tunney, former american lightheavyweight champion, and george godfrey, negro heavyweight, as the feature attraction on the annuel christmas boxing carnival in madison square garden on dec 18, today were abandoned. it was announced by the officials of the fund. billy gibson manager of gene tunney declinded the prooffered match. according the the fund officials, gibson asserted harry wills is the only negro heavyweight tunney will box." - los angeles times nov. 4 1925
seems they will fight a old black man well past his best days, but not a young powerful big black man
as for tunney fighting wills...............
"People point to him wanting to fight Wills but that was a joke--Tunney only wanted to talk that up to push his way towards a fight with Dempsey."- boxing historian kevin smith
EASTERN SNAPSHOTS by W. Rollo Wilson
Nov.12, 1925-The Baron of Leiperville is home again with wonderous tales of the mighty deeds of the "Shadow" along the gilded slope. The "Shadow" is just another way of denoting Gorger George Godfrey, Jimmy's (Dougherty) outsize white elephant. For white elephant George seems now to be. Nobody wants to fight him for love or money. Mr. Wills unostentatiously draws the color line. Mr. Tunney is more blatant in his announcement to the same effect. "I'll fight Harry Wills," broadcasts James Joseph, "but I draw the color line on George Godfrey."
Two things may be on the mind of the Apollo of Greenwich Village, Perhaps he thinks that one "shot" with Wills would give him enough of the filthy lucre for his future earthly needs. Win or lose he would be "in." Fighting Ole Black Lightning [Godfrey] would be a case of all to lose and nothing to gain, he probably thinks. At this time Billy Gibson and Tunney are saying that the Big Three of Boxing are Dempsey, Wills, and the modest Gene. Godfrey would fain make it a foursome, but you can be jolly well sure that the triumvira will continue to say him nay.
One of the first acts of [Dougherty] on his arrival was to release another challenge in the general direction of the above-mentioned Big Three. His latest offer is this:
All any promoter has to do is get Harry, Gene or Jack to sign the papers and pay them whatever they want. Godfrey will come in without asking for a dollar. The aftermath will provide the Dougherty clan with all they will want, because they feel that George can take any of the three.
As is well known Dougherty and Dempsey are the best of friends. Last summer a year ago (1924) Dempsey visited the baronial halls (Leiperville). While here the subject of a bout with George was broached. Jack declared that if he fought at all he would fight Wills, but not Godfrey. Jimmy pressed him for the reason and he said : "Godfrey is a big strong fellow and is young, Wills is getting older and I think he will be the easier man of the two. That is the reason I prefer to fight him, if I fight."
* ROLLO WILSON was often referred to as "the dean of the Black Press.
"Godfrey is vastly under-rated. His record and career are somewhat mired in mystery. So many DQ's, knockouts and damn mystifying losses. I have no doubt, for instance, that he had the cuffs on against Sharkey. The high number of DQ's has more to do with him fighting to order than it does with him being sloppy.
Tunney could outbox most heavies and I don't doubt that he could outbox George Godfrey for 5 or six or even ten rounds. However, George was fast for his size, was adept at chasing men down and could hit like a team of mules. If this were a fifteen round fight, I see Godfrey having a hell of chance catching up to Gene. Remember that Tunney's heavyweight resume is not that long or overly impressive. His two best wins were against Dempsey--over 10 rounds--and it is probable that Jack was past it then. Godfrey handled Larry Gaines fairly easily and Gaines was a boxer in both the mold and style of Tunney. Gaines stated that he feared only two men in his life, his father and George Godfrey.
George was a beast--big, athletic, huge puncher and surprisingly good speed and movement for a man his size. I think in his prime, 1925-1931, he was about as good as it got. Nobody really wanted to fight George, and for good reason. Tunney avoided him like the plague. In his prime, with no handcuffs, and this is strictly my opinion, I think he could have beaten, Tunney, Sharkey, Carnera and maybe even Dempsey(certainly a post 1926 Dempsey)."- boxing historian kevin smith
-I dont believe tunney ever fought a black fighter. even those there were some dangerous very good black fighters out there. tunney drew the color line more than anyone of that era. he should get critisized for this. this is a very bad mark on tunneys legacy.
- godfrey would be a huge test for tunney since he never took on a big heavyweight LET ALONE A ALL TIME SKILLED POWERFUL SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT LIKE GODFREY
- in 1928 george godfrey larry gains and jack sharkey were clearly the 3 best heavyweight challengers out there regardless of there records. everyone from that era knew it. yet tunney decided for his last title defense to be the light no world beater tom heeney. he wanted a easy last title defense. then he retired with 3 great heavyweight challengers out there. this is not the class act of a champion.
godfrey should have defintley got a shot at tunneys crown!
