WHO SAID THE 1950S JOE LOUIS COULDNT HIT ANYMORE? he still had some heavy fists. he was a big guy.
I don't think anybody said that did they?
One of the truisms in boxing is that the last thing to go is your power. Being able to bring that power to bear on a TOP fighter starts to get harder though. Didn't Louis say that fighting Charles he could see plenty of opening but by the time he got the punch off they had closed?
Anyway, you really need to do better with these straw men questions, Brocky.
Also, why don't you put up some footage that shows those great skills of Primo Carnera your man "Janitor" was talking about. I'd like to see the one where he smashes the guy so hard he breaks the ringpost. It will make a change from watching a bloke as crude as Max Baer fekkin hammering him with ease.
Listening to the old Murray Woroner computer tournament, they pitted Dempsey vs Louis, and Marciano was asked his opinion of Joe Louis, and Marciano said something along the lines of:
"People say he was over the hill when he fought me, but he had a sneaky left jab, a powerful left hand that gave me some trouble."
Joe Louis in his comeback may not of had the speed of what he did have in his prime, but his punching power was still almost intact, and his experience with so many different fighters for so many years, almost all but made up for the decline in hand speed.
He was 8-2 (3) from 1950 to 1951, losing only to Ezzard Charles by decision and to Rocky Marciano by KO in 8 rounds, though he bested like likes of Lee Savold, Jimmy Bivins, Cesar Brion and Freddie Beshore. So, it just goes to show everyone that Louis could have beaten virtually every other HW in the world at that time, with possibly the exception of Walcott and of course Charles and Marciano---three HOF ATG fighters.
Posted: 11 Aug 2006, 00:44
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
joe louis parazlyed pat valentino with his right hand
Posted: 11 Aug 2006, 01:01
by Collins2000
IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Listening to the old Murray Woroner computer tournament, they pitted Dempsey vs Louis, and Marciano was asked his opinion of Joe Louis, and Marciano said something along the lines of:
"People say he was over the hill when he fought me, but he had a sneaky left jab, a powerful left hand that gave me some trouble."
Joe Louis in his comeback may not of had the speed of what he did have in his prime, but his punching power was still almost intact, and his experience with so many different fighters for so many years, almost all but made up for the decline in hand speed.
He was 8-2 (3) from 1950 to 1951, losing only to Ezzard Charles by decision and to Rocky Marciano by KO in 8 rounds, though he bested like likes of Lee Savold, Jimmy Bivins, Cesar Brion and Freddie Beshore. So, it just goes to show everyone that Louis could have beaten virtually every other HW in the world at that time, with possibly the exception of Walcott and of course Charles and Marciano---three HOF ATG fighters.
Well you might think Louis' hand speed was irrelevant in 1950 but I doubt too many would agree.
And I don't think Brion and Agramonte would have both been able to go 10 rounds TWICE with The Brown Bomber at his peak.
Posted: 11 Aug 2006, 01:46
by DoubleM
IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Joe Louis in his comeback may not of had the speed of what he did have in his prime, but his punching power was still almost intact
Speed is what made Louis such a devastating knockout puncher.
Posted: 11 Aug 2006, 06:56
by theone
This is just another one of Brocks indirect ways of making Marciano look better.
I just wanted to make this a live link. his finishing combination was lightning fast. You almost miss the left hand he threw in w/ his rights.
Posted: 11 Aug 2006, 09:55
by BrocktonBlockbuster49
theone wrote:This is just another one of Brocks indirect ways of making Marciano look better.
theone are u speechless? any comments on louis-valentino?
Posted: 11 Aug 2006, 18:32
by HomicideHenry
I ain't saying Louis didn't have speed in his comeback, I said he didn't have the speed that he had in his prime---in his comeback he still had power, some of it was from speed, but Louis was a strong man naturally.
Posted: 12 Aug 2006, 08:20
by theone
theone are u speechless? any comments on louis-valentino?
Yeah it was entertaining to see, but Im not impressed if thats what your asking. Valentino really wasnt that good a fighter in his prime so Im not surprised at all that Louis was able to look so good against him at that age.
Posted: 12 Aug 2006, 08:47
by sockdolager
theone wrote:
theone are u speechless? any comments on louis-valentino?
Yeah it was entertaining to see, but Im not impressed if thats what your asking. Valentino really wasnt that good a fighter in his prime so Im not surprised at all that Louis was able to look so good against him at that age.
It does really put into perspective how good a fighter Louis was when his hand speed and power are still lethal at that age!
Posted: 12 Aug 2006, 17:05
by HomicideHenry
You know the question of fighters beating people in exhibition matches does kind of make you wonder if they had something left in them.
Take for example, Jack Dempsey. After he retired against Tunney the second time, he had over 100 exhibitions and seriously thought about making a come-back. He knocked out and/or beaten such men as:
1.) Big Bill Hartwell
2.) Ed Bearcat Wright
3.) Alvin Babe Hunt
4.) Art Laskey
5.) Meyer KO Christner
Among several others in exhibition matches. All these men were contenders for the HW crown, some got their chance but didn't make it, others were shut out because of the color of their skin. Dempsey beat alot of these men with relative ease, and it makes you wonder, if he could have made a successful come-back.
Btw what was Pat Valentino's ranking when he fought Joe Louis in this exhibition match?
